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  1. #181
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  3. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Xar View Post
    Yeah - my company only offers Fidelity stocks for the 401k, BUT there are a few bond choices.
    Does your IRA offer one called SPAXX?I have an inherited Fidelity IRA from my Dad that offers it,and for various reasons was 89% in SPAXX,the remainder in 3 or 4 bond funds last Thursday and Friday.
    The SPAXX part fell $0.00 and the whole thing lost way less than 1/10 of 1% over that period.
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  4. #183
    Dow futures -428. Short of furious PPT funny business or a new QE announcement, Monday looks like a bloodbath, maybe a circuit breaker day. I hope you folks are mostly out of the stock markets other than VIX and shorts. It's gonna be a looooong September. The paper wealth game is dying, by design, right in front of you and a reset is the goal. Act accordingly.
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  5. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If you have indeed quit your job and put "all your savings" into those two stocks, you have no money left to invest in other ones. Day trading is a hard way to make a living- many try but few are actually very successful at it. Buy and hold is better because the more you trade, the more you lower your returns (each trade costs money- not just in transactions costs but in short term capital gains taxes as well).

    You also need diversity- not just one or two stocks- to spread risk. I like index funds for their diversity and very low costs. There are many different funds tracking many different indexes. And since they aren't chasing returns by trading for what they think will be hot in the next quarter but just matching the stocks in the index, they aren't trading shares within the fund and that keeps costs lower which means more money for you.

    For individual stocks, check into what a DRIP is- (Dividend Re_Investment Plans). It is the lowest cost way to own individual stocks (each have their own rules on things like minimum purchases and investment requirements). Basically you buy a dividend paying stock and they take the dividend payout and instead of sending you a taxable check, they roll the money over into more shares of the stock (usually at zero transaction fee). I added $5,000 to my account recently and was charged $0.18 (yes, eighteen cents) transaction costs. Buying shares at say ETrade may cost $7 a pop.
    Well I still have about $17,000 left (out of original $40,000) to invest but not sure where to put it. I'd like to at least turn it into $70,000 by early next year.

    I signed up with Scottrade but if etrade is better I could try them.



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    Last edited by Lord Xar; 08-24-2015 at 12:46 AM.

  8. #186
    well, I just checked my 401k -- looks to be down ~7k , well that is great.... I have NEVER gained ~7k within a few days..... but ~7k poof, gone..hmmm. not really liking that.

    I think Presence might be right on this......

    Here is what I have for bond and blended options... any of them look decent to move my stock investments/401k into..
    Name/Inception Date Asset Class Category 1 Year 3 Year 5 Year 10 Year/LOF*

    FID FREEDOM K 2010 (FFKCX) 07/02/2009 Blended Fund Investments* N/A 4.57% 7.52% 7.70% 9.45% 07/31/2015
    FID FREEDOM K 2020 (FFKDX) 07/02/2009 Blended Fund Investments* N/A 5.58% 8.78% 8.75% 10.77% 07/31/2015
    FID FREEDOM K 2030 (FFKEX) 07/02/2009 Blended Fund Investments* N/A 7.11% 11.16% 10.31% 12.34% 07/31/2015
    FID FREEDOM K 2040 (FFKFX) 07/02/2009 Blended Fund Investments* N/A 7.50% 12.43% 11.05% 13.04% 07/31/2015
    FID FREEDOM K 2050 (FFKHX) 07/02/2009 Blended Fund Investments* N/A 7.55% 12.82% 11.30% 13.28% 07/31/2015
    FID FREEDOM K INCOME (FFKAX) 07/02/2009 Blended Fund Investments* N/A 2.75% 4.05% 4.59% 5.97% 07/31/2015
    FID PURITAN (FPURX) 04/16/1947 Blended Fund Investments* N/A 9.64% 12.95% 12.05% 7.33% 07/31/2015
    NYL GUAR INT ACCOUNT 01/03/2011 Bond Investments Stable Value N/A N/A N/A N/A
    FA STRAT INCOME A (FSTAX) 10/31/1994 Bond Investments Income -0.09% 2.99% 4.69% 5.96% 07/31/2015
    PRU TOTAL RTN BD Q (PTRQX) 01/10/1995 Bond Investments Income 3.24% 3.46% 5.37% 5.97% 07/31/2015
    TMPL GLOBAL BOND A (TPINX) 09/18/1986 Bond Investments Income -2.59% 3.05% 4.10% 7.65% 07/31/2015



    Looking those over, these ones didn't take a big hit in 2008, nigh a bump.
    PTRQX [Prudential Total Return Bond Fund Class Q](( took a small hit in 2008 ))
    TPINX [Templeton Global Bond Fund Class A](( took a medium hit in 2008 ))

    looks like all the other bond investments were created in 2009.
    Last edited by Lord Xar; 08-24-2015 at 12:56 AM.

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    Last edited by presence; 08-24-2015 at 09:01 AM.

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  11. #189
    Facebook, apple, ford, all great buys this morning.

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  13. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Lightweis View Post
    Facebook, apple, ford, all great buys this morning.

    Don't touch them. Moar pain to come. This will go on for months.

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  14. #192
    $#@!ing hate this. Decided to go full bear. Sold a european stock before the european open. The stock opened at it lowest all day. Bought spxu at the same time (futures were only down 2% at that time) got it at the $#@!ing open at 46,41. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU



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  16. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Don't touch them. Moar pain to come. This will go on for months.
    You just missed out on 10 percent burst of profit. Buy the dip sell the rip.

  17. #194
    Call me crazy, I'm looking to buy chinese stocks this week.

  18. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Lightweis View Post
    You just missed out on 10 percent burst of profit. Buy the dip sell the rip.
    If you can in and out like that God bless.
    I trade, forecast, and recommend retail long term transactions in stocks.

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  19. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by fatjohn View Post
    $#@!ing hate this. Decided to go full bear. Sold a european stock before the european open. The stock opened at it lowest all day. Bought spxu at the same time (futures were only down 2% at that time) got it at the $#@!ing open at 46,41. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
    got mine at $32.93 :P

    I'm expecting this to be 15-20% correction. Got the gut feeling about 2 weeks ago. I'm also expecting QE4 by EOY, err 5, what number we at again? Does Op Twist count?

  20. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Lightweis View Post
    Call me crazy, I'm looking to buy chinese stocks this week.
    Don't touch it till sub 3000; I value Shanghai at 2750 for October.

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  21. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Don't touch it till sub 3000; I value Shanghai at 2750 for October.
    You do not see a bounce this week? Turnaround Tuesday or Wednesday?

  22. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by Lightweis View Post
    You do not see a bounce this week? Turnaround Tuesday or Wednesday?
    Dead cat bounce?
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  23. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Dead cat bounce?
    I think you have to follow the trend. V Shape recovery. I'm a bull. 12 percent correction, time to buy low sell high. Smart money bought at 9:40 am this morning



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  25. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Lightweis View Post
    I think you have to follow the trend. V Shape recovery. I'm a bull. 12 percent correction, time to buy low sell high. Smart money bought at 9:40 am this morning
    Short the VXX. Looking to buy oil at $34 barrel. Looking for apple to lead the market higher in the next month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightweis View Post
    You just missed out on 10 percent burst of profit. Buy the dip sell the rip.
    That may work if it is a dip, but if it is a sustained drop, thats not so good for us non investor people.

    Buying after a dip is good for a correction to panic reactions as it should in theory help maintain balance, but just like 2008 we have some major bubbles that need to be corrected and drop in value.

    Theres a number of us that expect by October, we will have another repeat of 2008. Just out of curiousity, what do you think Light? Are we going to head into another Bear Market or will it be Bull Markets all the time?
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    EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!!!!

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  29. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    That may work if it is a dip, but if it is a sustained drop, thats not so good for us non investor people.

    Buying after a dip is good for a correction to panic reactions as it should in theory help maintain balance, but just like 2008 we have some major bubbles that need to be corrected and drop in value.

    Theres a number of us that expect by October, we will have another repeat of 2008. Just out of curiousity, what do you think Light? Are we going to head into another Bear Market or will it be Bull Markets all the time?
    Bull market of all time. Apple is going to take the market higher.

  30. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Lightweis View Post
    Short the VXX. Looking to buy oil at $34 barrel. Looking for apple to lead the market higher in the next month.
    Y'all still playing in this market have brass balls. Good luck trying to front-run algorithms and PPT moves and not lose your ass in the process.
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  31. #207
    Congratulations, presence, on an extremely good call!

    Perhaps it helped some of your friends here on RPF, as you said was your wish. Congratulations again. Astounding.

  32. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyInNY View Post
    I still have about $17,000 left... I'd like to at least turn it into $70,000 by early next year.
    Ummmm....... bad idea. Can I say that? Will you listen? Ahh well, probably not. So, best of luck!



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  34. #209
    I'm a buy and hold forever investor, but I just so happened to have a large chunk of my net worth out of the stock market for the past couple weeks. Did a 401k rollover that hasn't completed yet, and dipped into the IRA for a home purchase. Heh I got lucky on this one. Hope to get fully back in later this week.

    Presence, in general I think you are a bit nuts, but you called this right somehow, so props my friend.

  35. #210
    Presence was spot on. Way to go. And Zippy proves again he is a fools shill.
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