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"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Last edited by presence; 08-27-2015 at 05:56 PM.
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
That is not an inverse ETF fund which is what I was discussing (and you were suggesting earlier). Yes- there are ETFs which have performed well. Inverse ETF funds are toxic and highly dangerous to your portfolio. At this moment, SPUX- which you recommended- is $37 a share. Since July, 2010, it has lost 98% of its value!!!
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/spxu/st...&drilldown=off
Short QQQ has gone from $1300 a share in 2010 to $24 a share today. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SQQQ+Interactive#{"range":"max","allowCh artStacking":true}
Short Dow 30 has done better- "only" falling from $80 a share to $24 a share in that time. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=dog+Interactive#{"range":"max","allowCha rtStacking":true}
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-27-2015 at 07:01 PM.
Enh, you just say that because you think the thing they're inverting is bound to always go up.
How about an inverse fund of gold? What would you say to that, Zippy?
Great. But he wasn't recommending it in July, 2010, now was he? And duh -- the stock market has gone up during that time. As an inverse stock market fund, it was doing its job.At this moment, SPUX- which you recommended- is $37 a share. Since July, 2010, it has lost 98% of its value!!!
Sigh.
Where has all the IQ gone,
Long time passing,....
I want to see long term performance. Not just one week. I know you don't own any stocks or funds for just one week either. Between August 18 and August 24th it made money. Half of those gains are already gone unless you sold on the 24th.
Sigh.
Where has all the IQ gone,
Long time passing,....
I'm a patient man. To simply the hypothesis ;D the theme here of #GTFOSTOCKMARKET is:
Minimum 30% down from the May high before we see the May high again.
Anticipated time line 6 - 18 months from 8/5/15
All US EURO major index inverse ETFs 6-18 months of wild blue moon rising.
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
Also, all that 3x magic leverage is not free, those funds are exhorbantly expensive for what they are...
Everybody is always looking for that can of magic beans... In the financial world they only exist in the minds of poor simpletons who paradoxically believe they know everything...
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
We shall see. Do you want to start with the DOW of August 5th then? 17,540? That would be DOW 12,300? Not that I think the difference will matter. But it is your pick so your choice.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 08-31-2015 at 05:21 PM.
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
here we go again
that old adage "Sell in May then go away" apparently really works
I wonder how much revenue the government loses when the markets go down. They lose capital gains tax among other things.
Call me crazy but I think k the DOW ends close to even.......just a guess though
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
James Madison
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams
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Dum Spiro, Pugno
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Some traders are going long on the S&P. Are they delusional?
a guy on cnbc said this morning that mutual funds have very little cash , with the market taking a dump many people will be cashing out of the funds , the funds will have to sell stocks to settle the cash out to the people .
this will create more selling , the guy said the selling would take place tomorrow as the funds won't know how much money the people dumping the funds would need .
sounds like normal business to me . this thing could get very nasty .
Welcome to September.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
James Madison
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams
Μολὼν λάβε
Dum Spiro, Pugno
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito
My buddy made 60k last week on the vix. Then he gambled half away on dice.
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
James Madison
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams
Μολὼν λάβε
Dum Spiro, Pugno
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
Of course they have very little cash -- that's how they're designed. That's what you want them to have -- as little as possible! It's all in the prospecti. At least the passively-managed funds are like this -- actively-managed will move out of stocks into cash whenever the manager feels like stocks are going to go down and gets nervous.
Having only a small percentage of cash doesn't cause any problem for the funds. It just means that they have to, just as the TV guru apparently said: "sell stocks to settle the cash out to the people." That is not a problem. When people buy mutual funds, the fund must buy stocks (or whatever assets the fund is all about). When people sell mutual funds, the fund must sell stocks (or whatever assets the fund is all about). That's how it always works: nothing special about right now.
Last edited by devil21; 09-01-2015 at 05:06 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
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