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    Donald Trump is the least electable candidate, loses to Hillary by 15%




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    On the other hand, right now Rand is the second most electable candidate, only losing to Hillary by 5.5%. His numbers against Hillary would likely be even better if he had been included in the Quinnipiac poll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    On the other hand, right now Rand is the second most electable candidate, only losing to Hillary by 5.5%. His numbers against Hillary would likely be even better if he had been included in the Quinnipiac poll.
    The GOP want to lose,

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    The General Election is a complete ruse. The opportunity to select Supreme Court judges? ROFL Do we have to be reminded how that rationale worked out?

    IMHO You run the guy who can do the most damage to the current political establishment and roll the dice. Rand was supposed to be that guy.

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    Trump won't win, but he is having a tremendous impact on the presidential race, in a very positive way. The best result would be for Trump to fall in the polls and bow out of the race gracefully without a 3rd party run.

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    bump
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    The General Election is a complete ruse. The opportunity to select Supreme Court judges? ROFL Do we have to be reminded how that rationale worked out?

    IMHO You run the guy who can do the most damage to the current political establishment and roll the dice. Rand was supposed to be that guy.
    Exactly what is Trump doing that is so anti-establishment, other than essentially calling John McCain a pussy? Yes, Trump may not be held in high regard by the likes of Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio, but he is no more a "wild card" than someone like Ted Cruz or Rick Santorum.

    He talks a big game but that's where it ends. In terms of policy, Trump is closer to the establishment than he is to Rand Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NIU Students for Liberty View Post
    Exactly what is Trump doing that is so anti-establishment, other than essentially calling John McCain a pussy? Yes, Trump may not be held in high regard by the likes of Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio, but he is no more a "wild card" than someone like Ted Cruz or Rick Santorum.

    He talks a big game but that's where it ends. In terms of policy, Trump is closer to the establishment than he is to Rand Paul.
    Trump is the establishment.

    Hopefully the war with Iran is worth detrimental protectionist policy.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump



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    Polls this early don't mean anything, though.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Rand Paul (Vice Pres) 2016!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NIU Students for Liberty View Post
    Exactly what is Trump doing that is so anti-establishment, other than essentially calling John McCain a pussy? Yes, Trump may not be held in high regard by the likes of Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio, but he is no more a "wild card" than someone like Ted Cruz or Rick Santorum.

    He talks a big game but that's where it ends. In terms of policy, Trump is closer to the establishment than he is to Rand Paul.
    Things we know so far:

    1) Trump has a more free market oriented tax plan than Rand
    2) Trump is stronger on crony based 'free trade' deals than Rand
    3) Trump is stronger on immigration issues than Rand

    So on 3 critical planks opposed to damaging globalist initiatives, we have a political neophyte like Trump outdueling Rand at face value. We have Rand diddling around on 'mandatory minimums' and the juxtaposition is Trump tackling major quality of life issues head-on. In terms of perception, the polls don't lie.
    Last edited by AuH20; 08-04-2015 at 08:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Things we know so far:

    1) Trump has a more free market oriented tax plan than Rand
    2) Trump is stronger on crony based 'free trade' deals than Rand
    3) Trump is stronger on immigration issues than Rand

    So on 3 critical planks against damaging globalist initiatives, we have a political neophyte like Trump outdueling Rand at face value.
    His 1%, 5%, 10% tax plan is leaps and bounds better than what we have. But if he is making promises of going to war with Iran, bombing Pyongyang, and increasing border patrol, a wall, mass deportations, etc. etc. etc. then his tax plan is not going to work.

    This is even ignoring the big elephant in the room. What are his views on Social Security? The War on Drugs? The Prison Industrial Complex? The Military Industrial Complex?

    Taxes will remain the same under a Trump administration. He certainly isn't going to challenge the Fed.

    How anyone can vote for that jester is beyond me.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Things we know so far:

    1) Trump has a more free market oriented tax plan than Rand
    2) Trump is stronger on crony based 'free trade' deals than Rand
    3) Trump is stronger on immigration issues than Rand

    So on 3 critical planks against damaging globalist initiatives, we have a neophyte like Trump outdueling Rand.
    1) Trump wants to conquer the middle east and steal their resources

    So on foreign policy Trump aligns mostly with Lindsay Graham. Lindsay Graham forums anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    His 1%, 5%, 10% tax plan is leaps and bounds better than what we have. But if he is making promises of going to war with Iran, bombing Pyongyang, and increasing border patrol, a wall, mass deportations, etc. etc. etc. then his tax plan is not going to work.

    This is even ignoring the big elephant in the room. What are his views on Social Security? The War on Drugs? The Prison Industrial Complex? The Military Industrial Complex?

    Taxes will remain the same under a Trump administration. He certainly isn't going to challenge the Fed.

    How anyone can vote for that jester is beyond me.
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that. But on the real pressing issues I outlined, Trump appears to be on the right track. He even appears to be wary of the money supply manipulation being carried out by the Federal Reserve. That is a very important admission on his part.

    Now regarding his foreign policy, based on his prior statements as far back as 2012, he sounds like a pragmatist as opposed to a neoconservative. He even cited the physical toll that these ill advised campaigns incurs on our military personnel. I'm not buying the tough guy approach, especially from someone who publicly declared that we should have never invaded Iraq and should be out of Afghanistan. It sounds like the same bluster that Reagan used to terrorize the Soviets. Speaking of which, Trump seems to respectful of Russia's sovereignty with his recent Crimea comments. All points to a relaxed foreign policy as opposed to the extremely belligerent foreign policy that has characterized past Republican administrations. Trump appears to be more of a deal maker than bomb dropper.

    Trump is hopelessly wrong on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. There must be some type of sea change in those programs, whether that's means testing or whatever.

    the national security state? He's made encouraging comments in the past but then countered that with poorly thought out Snowden comments. Still a mystery to me what his true position is.

    WoD is a wildcard. Not sure what he really thinks, but he appears to understand the problem behind the drug wars.

    Military Allocation? Most likely bad and permissive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    3) Trump is stronger on immigration issues than Rand
    Why? He's been all over the map on that issue. Three years ago he said that Romney was being too harsh on the illegal immigration issue by advocating self deportation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that. But on the real pressing issues I outlined, Trump appears to be on the right track. He even appears to be wary of the money supply manipulation being carried out by the Federal Reserve. That is a very important admission on his part.

    Now regarding his foreign policy, based on his prior statements as far back as 2012, he sounds like a pragmatist as opposed to a neoconservative. He even cited the physical toll that these ill advised campaigns incurs on our military personnel. I'm not buying the tough guy approach, especially from someone who publicly declared that we should have never invaded Iraq and should be out of Afghanistan. It sounds like the same bluster that Reagan used to terrorize the Soviets. Speaking of which, Trump seems to respectful of Russia's sovereignty with his recent Crimea comments. All points to a relaxed foreign policy as opposed to the extremely belligerent foreign policy that has characterized past Republican administrations. Trump appears to be more of a deal maker than bomb dropper.

    Trump is hopelessly wrong on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. There must be some type of sea change in those programs, whether that's means testing or whatever.

    the national security state? He's made encouraging comments in the past but then countered that with poorly thought out Snowden comments. Still a mystery to me what his true position is.

    WoD is a wildcard. Not sure what he really thinks, but he appears to understand the problem behind the drug wars.

    Military Allocation? Most likely bad and permissive.
    I'll reiterate that his tax plan will not work even for Social Security to be funded. How's he going to do it?

    His position on trade agreements appears okay. But considering his flip flop past and wishy washy statements on other issues, I don't really trust him to be remain consistent.

    Protectionism does not benefit the economy.

    So really, it's just one thing in a sea of many issues that he has correct. For the moment, at least.

    His foreign policy is atrocious. He wants to bomb Iran. He wants to bomb Pyongyang. Not all warmongers are neoconservatives. Though he does wish to forever extend benefits to Israel.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that. But on the real pressing issues I outlined, Trump appears to be on the right track. He even appears to be wary of the money supply manipulation being carried out by the Federal Reserve. That is a very important admission on his part.

    Now regarding his foreign policy, based on his prior statements as far back as 2012, he sounds like a pragmatist as opposed to a neoconservative. He even cited the physical toll that these ill advised campaigns incurs on our military personnel. I'm not buying the tough guy approach, especially from someone who publicly declared that we should have never invaded Iraq and should be out of Afghanistan. It sounds like the same bluster that Reagan used to terrorize the Soviets. Speaking of which, Trump seems to respectful of Russia's sovereignty with his recent Crimea comments. All points to a relaxed foreign policy as opposed to the extremely belligerent foreign policy that has characterized past Republican administrations. Trump appears to be more of a deal maker than bomb dropper.

    Trump is hopelessly wrong on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. There must be some type of sea change in those programs, whether that's means testing or whatever.

    the national security state? He's made encouraging comments in the past but then countered that with poorly thought out Snowden comments. Still a mystery to me what his true position is.

    WoD is a wildcard. Not sure what he really thinks, but he appears to understand the problem behind the drug wars.

    Military Allocation? Most likely bad and permissive.
    #1 - Really? Then why do you not only continually bash Rand and claim he's already done, but then push the Trump Kool-Aid as if he's the next messiah?

    #2 - You mean an issue that Rand has CONSISTENTLY been solid on and has actually used his power as senator to affect change? Donald Trump's sincerity and understanding of economics is no different than that of Michelle "I read Mises on the beach" Bachmann.

    #3 - His statements (that is all we have to go off of) completely contradict everything you praised him on regarding foreign entanglement. In fact, Trump's foreign policy is essentially Obama's policy on steroids, coupled with the fact that Trump wants to seize oil supplies, $#@! with Iran, and start a cold war with China. Just because Trump isn't calling for boots on the ground like Bush, doesn't mean that he isn't a complete psychopath when it comes to war.

    #4 - I'm pretty sure that if Trump is calling for Snowden's execution (the other hawks in this race didn't even go that far), we have a pretty good understanding of where Trump aligns with domestic spying and government transparency.

    #5 - If Trump truly cared about personal freedom, he wouldn't have sided with Chris Christie when it came to marijuana prohibition. His recent statements are more of an indicator of where he truly stands as opposed to a statement he made in 1990. But nice try there in making Trump sound as if he was even remotely libertarian.



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    **Double post
    Last edited by NIU Students for Liberty; 08-04-2015 at 10:06 PM.

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    Bump.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump

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    polls change, and it might not be Hillary. Jeb could also be a disaster if the Dems pick someone new. Walker with his total abortion ban, no exception for mother's life would not win. Christie also could not win. Rand is the best, but events could decide things (ISIS, Wall Street crash, riots by blacks, immigration)

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    Well let Donald do his thing, and mow down the top tier republicrats . Stop this anti Trump chit, he has no chance but does have influence. Let him do his thing, let him damage Bush and Walker. Notice no other candidate is saying anything negative against him, because they are scared to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    Well let Donald do his thing, and mow down the top tier republicrats . Stop this anti Trump chit, he has no chance but does have influence. Let him do his thing, let him damage Bush and Walker. Notice no other candidate is saying anything negative against him, because they are scared to death.
    He will probably sink Rand Paul.

    And no.

    I will still be 'spamming' this website with anti-Trump literature come 2016. Same goes for Sanders.

    Why? Because I view the protectionist authoritarians the same as I view the socialist authoritarians. So absent three or four members reading a book or two, all will eventually become experts on Donald Trump's astoundingly simple minded, authoritarian, political positions. You're welcome.
    “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
    Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump



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