Trump about Iraq lies

[Smitty]

[ClydeCoulter]

Thanks, ... shared with FB group...

[AuH20]

Trump is a real wildcard. He could be Atila the Hun or a stealth candidate.

[Brett85]

I do support Trump over Bush, Rubio, and Walker for this reason. But I still don't believe that he's as anti interventionist as Rand.

[nikcers]

I do support Trump over Bush, Rubio, and Walker for this reason. But I still don't believe that he's as anti interventionist as Rand.

That's an understatement, Trump wants to steal everyone's oil in the middle east and pass it out to his friends.

https://youtu.be/i6G4AAI77kI?t=1344

[robert68]

I do support Trump over Bush, Rubio, and Walker for this reason. But I still don't believe that he's as anti interventionist as Rand.

Neither is anti-interventionist. You're misusing the term.

[Brett85]

Neither is anti-interventionist. You're misusing the term.

True. What I meant is that I think that Rand is still for less intervention than Trump.

[David Sadler]

That's an understatement, Trump wants to steal everyone's oil in the middle east and pass it out to his friends.

https://youtu.be/i6G4AAI77kI?t=1344

You haven't read his book or you wouldn't say this. More later ...

[AuH20]

Trump already voiced his concern for U.S. vets and then wants to steal all of the Middle East Oil? Does anyone believe that for a second? This claim is utter nonsense. He already stated that he would have never invaded Iraq, but certainly wouldn't have rebuilt the country for free.

[David Sadler]

Was Blitzer interviewing Ron Paul or Donald Trump?

[NIU Students for Liberty]

So he acknowledges that Iraq was a mistake and yet wants to continue to bomb the region? How is this any different than what the Obama administration has done for the past two terms?

Oh, that's right, Obama wasn't going for the oil

[William Tell]

You haven't read his book or you wouldn't say this. More later ...

LOL!

You believe Trump's brand new campaign propaganda more than what he's been saying for years?

Did you also believe Mitt Romney in 2012 when he said he was a pro gun, pro life candidate despite his record of being pro choice, and signing gun bans?

[timosman]

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[jmdrake]

You know, we aren't using Donald Trump and Ben Carson as we should. What I mean by that is this. We should be trumpeting the fact that their success in the polls proves that Ron Paul was right all along about Iraq. Carson and Trump are wrong about a lot of things. Trump on imminent domain and taxes. Carson on gun control and Syria. (Not sure where Trump is on Syria). But we spend so much time harping on that we miss the opportunity to use their political success to our advantage. It's called triangulation. Bill Clinton was the master of that. We, overall, suck at it. Rand did some good reverse triangulation the other night tying Rubio to Hillary though.

[timosman]

You know, we aren't using Donald Trump and Ben Carson as we should. What I mean by that is this. We should be trumpeting the fact that their success in the polls proves that Ron Paul was right all along about Iraq. Carson and Trump are wrong about a lot of things. Trump on imminent domain and taxes. Carson on gun control and Syria. (Not sure where Trump is on Syria). But we spend so much time harping on that we miss the opportunity to use their political success to our advantage. It's called triangulation. Bill Clinton was the master of that. We, overall, suck at it. Rand did some good reverse triangulation the other night tying Rubio to Hillary though.

It is much easier to win if we do not fight alone.

[Peace&Freedom]

You know, we aren't using Donald Trump and Ben Carson as we should. What I mean by that is this. We should be trumpeting the fact that their success in the polls proves that Ron Paul was right all along about Iraq. Carson and Trump are wrong about a lot of things. Trump on imminent domain and taxes. Carson on gun control and Syria. (Not sure where Trump is on Syria). But we spend so much time harping on that we miss the opportunity to use their political success to our advantage. It's called triangulation. Bill Clinton was the master of that. We, overall, suck at it. Rand did some good reverse triangulation the other night tying Rubio to Hillary though.

Rand appears to know how to conduct triangulation tactically (to make a point or win a current battle, such as to create a news byte) but has not used it strategically to win the war to get the nomination. If he had done the latter he would have laid off Trump and concentrated on the neocons, using their unchanging belligerent more-war framework to project himself as the saner alternative. Rand instead has focused too long on painting himself as a "me-too interventionist, only less" to create enough separation to get more voters to notice he represented a real break from that status quo framework.

Trump's success (and Bush's inability to get anywhere) does point to the theme Justin Raimondo and others have suggested, that the war-weary public will likely not elect another Republican to the White House unless and until they repudiate the Bush Inc. decision to launch the Iraq war. Every time the neocons continue to foster the idea that their exceptionalism notions cannot be questioned or act as if nothing has changed, they betray to voters that they are totally unrepentant about the last decade's worth of interventions. In response, the public has turned to Trump, who does specifically reject the Iraq war, while posturing as anti-establishment enough to back it up.

[kahless]

Rand appears to know how to conduct triangulation tactically (to make a point or win a current battle, such as to create a news byte) but has not used it strategically to win the war to get the nomination. If he had done the latter he would have laid off Trump and concentrated on the neocons, using their unchanging belligerent more-war framework to project himself as the saner alternative. Rand instead has focused too long on painting himself as a "me-too interventionist, only less" to create enough separation to get more voters to notice he represented a real break from that status quo framework.

Trump's success (and Bush's inability to get anywhere) does point to the theme Justin Raimondo and others have suggested, that the war-weary public will likely not elect another Republican to the White House unless and until they repudiate the Bush Inc. decision to launch the Iraq war. Every time the neocons continue to foster the idea that their exceptionalism notions cannot be questioned or act as if nothing has changed, they betray to voters that they are totally unrepentant about the last decade's worth of interventions. In response, the public has turned to Trump, who does specifically reject the Iraq war, while posturing as anti-establishment enough to back it up.

This next foreign policy debate should be interesting. I expect they will do what you describe which will give Rand a boost. It probably will not matter which way Trump goes in the debate but it will matter in the general if he goes full Neocon which I doubt. I expect he will continue to call them out over the Iraq war.

[timosman]

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