Bush may be worse. Even Bernie isn't for open borders, or so he says.Originally Posted by hells_unicorn
I don't think I trust him on that part, I don't think there is any kind of protectionism left in the Democratic Party, and he would have far too much to gain with open-borders given his policy ideas mirror those of many South American banana republics. Granted, I'd probably put Bush at least equal with Sanders now that I think about it, but I'd sooner stay home or vote 3rd party than pick between Sanders and Bush.
How many additional ~votes for Bernie would they represent if they all did?
You have to be, when you're a banana. It's the only way to avoid turning into an oblong lump of mushy goo ... (you know, like Bernie Sanders ...)
A democratic republic does not equate to mob rule. The minority, or the individual's, rights are every bit as important as that of the mob's. So, if the mob decides it covets someone else's wealth and all decide to take it, under a republic, that isn't ok at all.
A democratic republic most certainly is not about using government to steal from your neighbor to fill your own pocket; just because you are too lazy to rob them yourself.
Sanders is all about wealth redistribution.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
I think most of us would rather vote for anyone instead of Bush, its almost as if the election was designed that way.
I'd rather...
Erowe hardly ever posts here anymore. I wish he would post more.
+rep
I guarantee you that if Ron did not see peace, freedom and the return to a great America in Rand, Ron paul.would not endorse Rand. That is how strong Ron is.
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
James Madison
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams
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Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito
"Why Ron Paul supporters should abandon principle and reach for the low hanging fruits of political possibility."
It's like people don't understand anything about the Ron Paul movement. Ron Paul never really had a chance! He was a protest candidate to begin with! Wake up people trying to convince how dumb we are! We've always been dumb! We're stupid in love with liberty. We're united at our foundation in being hopelessly lost in our idealism.
We would rather go down in flames being idealists who stand on principle than sell-outs who support fascists because we're scared of the mob.
You guys need to just move on.
Well, that's how it is for me anyway.
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6
I hear everyone who is in support of Rand Paul. He's my choice for the Republican nomination; however, Sanders gets my support because he is addressing some of the biggest problems of our time like climate change, income inequality, racial issues, and campaign finance reform. These problems (especially climate change) are not just going to magically poof away. Virtually all climate scientists agree that climate change is man-made and will have devastating consequences, costing billions of dollars overtime. Rand Paul's 'plan of inaction' is just not acceptable for this monumental problem that doesn't just affect America, or just humans, but everything living on this planet. Ultimately, I believe that those who don't believe in man-made climate change are just in denial because they know that this issue can only be solved by some government intervention and they don't want to change their political/economic beliefs.
For the skeptics:
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
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You are a fool if you believe what the government tells you is true. PERIOD
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it."
James Madison
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams
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Dum Spiro, Pugno
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Bro, you are off the deep end.
Baa baaa baaa, The ignorance is strong with this one.
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HAHAHA!!! No way am I going to click these links and give them any hits. His "brand" of socialism?? He has his own brand now? Im sure the founding fathers are cheering for Sanders. In fact when I hear him talk about the need for everyone to be on Medicare, I often think its George Washington talking. Our only hope for liberty and to return to a true republic is to be socialist. Lol. I'm sure you left the forum but if you didn't, I have a bridge to sell you.
I think you stumbled, hit your head and wandered in to the wrong forum. No one here buys climate change nor do we support government intervention. The government is run by buffoons. Did you not get that memo? Seriously, how much are you making to be an internet " activist"?
CO2 is not toxic, plants love CO2.
Global temps were actually a bit warmer back in the 1200s and 1300s and CO2 concentrations were higher back then than they are today. Both of these things were beneficial for crops, England was warm enough for growing grapes and making wine and they were seeing big increases in crop yields.
Around 1800 we saw the peak of the "mini ice age" and since then temps have been steadily increasing. Climate scientists had predicted exponential warming starting around 2000, yet we have had almost 20 years without any global warming.
The scientists said that it was ocean temps that were sucking up the heat - not true, surface ocean temps were not increasing. The scientists said it was deep ocean water temps that were sucking up the heat - not true, satellite data tells us that deep ocean water temps have remained relatively steady.
In order to try to debunk the "climate pause" scientists had to manipulate raw data of ocean surface temp readings because the new method of measuring them used the engine intake thermometers on boats. They said that they had to adjust the temps upward to account for this new method of measuring ocean surface temps. Apparently they forgot that there is satellite data contradicting this, but they don't care because they are paid handsomely to uphold the man made global warming fraud.
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"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
So what I am sensing here is that you believe that somehow practically every single climate scientist, including ones from private universities, have been bought out by the government in order to fool the population into believing that the government must take action to avoid climate catastrophe. Seems a little far-fetched. Why would you believe that instead of just agreeing with the conclusions that actual climate experts are nearly unanimous about. Are you a PhD in climate studies too, or are you just making up a theory so that you'll feel more comfortable about your other beliefs?
Sounds great. I'm convinced. Where do I sign up? You left off his proposal to raise the marginal rate to 90%. It is time once and for all for the workers of the world to unite and take back the country from parasitic entrepreneurs.
I'm already getting into the spirit of things.
Academics are largely tools who listen to authority. They have to be, otherwise they lose funding. Academics who don't tow the establishment line are often let go - those who tow the establishment line get grants.
There are plenty of real scientists who know the climate change science is BS.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
One word, Climategate. And spare us this stupid appeal to authority, people can and often do lie to serve their own interests regardless to whether they have a PhD.
Now off you go, back to your home on The Daily Kos.
If you look at the last 2000 years of climate data, we are at around median temps right now... Considering temps have largely remained constant the last 20 years, why would anybody be worried about our climate in that respect? Completely illogical.
Many academics are too narrowly focused and can't see the big picture, or they are simply bought off.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Bernie Sanders' solution to poverty will only make things worse. Government welfare guts communities, they produce less, make less and become economically stagnant and it turns into a downward spiral of poverty.
Rand Paul's solution to poverty is to let the market work and raise these communities up again.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
The sun is entering into a grand minimum, to the great irony of climate change theorist we don't actually understand this science as much as we think we do.
There is no consensus on what if anything should be done. You would have to take carbon emissions to 1800s levels to deal with a problem that might not need to be dealt with. The cost is almost certainly infinitely higher to try to "fix" global warming than actually dealing with the problem as it happens.
There was near consensus among scientists pushing the idea of overpopulation. That turned out completely wrong. You can go down the list of bird flu, auto bailouts, killer bees, Y2K, and a zillion other things where experts didn't evaluate the risk property. There are "experts" who think 9-11 was good for the economy and the Hatian earthquake was a blessing from the GDP god. We have heard how the world is running out of oil since the early 1900s. Smart people in a free enterprise system tend to find solutions to problems.
I'm getting tired of these Democratic party evangelists abusing the hatred of the GOP to get libertarians/individualists to vote for the Democrats. These guys need to get lost and hijack some other movement.
Climategate:
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...l#.Vb_tL_l_yT8
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/
The Pause:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ed-study-finds
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamescon...ng-not-really/
Here is one of the scientists who has been bought - by the fossil fuel industry:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/us...Soon.html?_r=0
Nevertheless, most of you will continue to believe the 3% of scientists who discredit climate change because it fits your world view. Why else wouldn't you agree with 97% versus 3%? You must remember that scientists are actual people who, the majority of the time, go into science because they love discovery, not profits. Most of you have obviously never met an actual scientist or even have a grasp on how science actually works.
If you believe in the soundness of the liberty philosophy you would show them why they should be voting for Rand instead.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
No. It matches your anti-capitalist worldview. Acknowledging rising temperatures is not the same as what people like you want to promote. There is no consensus on how to deal with climate change. There is no reason to think carbon taxes will have ANY meaningful effect. It will make the United States much poorer and that is ultimately what this is about. There is reason you see Communists marching with Robert Kennedy at these rallies.
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