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    Call off the bee-pocalypse: U.S. honeybee colonies hit a 20-year high

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    What saved the world from BEEMAGEDDON? The free market, of course.


    You've heard the news about honeybees. "Beepocalypse," they've called it. Beemageddon. America's honeybees are dying, putting honey production and $15 billion worth of pollinated food crops in jeopardy.

    The situation has become so dire that earlier this year the White House put forth the first National Strategy to Promote the Health of Honey Bees and Other Pollinators, a 64-page policy framework for saving the nation's bees, butterflies and other pollinating animals.

    The trouble all began in 2006 or so, when beekeepers first began noticing mysterious die-offs. It was soon christened "colony collapse disorder," and has been responsible for the loss of 20 to 40 percent of managed honeybee colonies each winter over the past decade.

    The math says that if you lose 30 percent of your bee colonies every year for a few years, you rapidly end up with close to 0 colonies left. But get a load of this data on the number of active bee colonies in the U.S. since 1987. Pay particular attention to the period after 2006, when CCD was first documented.

    As you can see, the number of honeybee colonies has actually risen since 2006, from 2.4 million to 2.7 million in 2014, according to data tracked by the USDA. The 2014 numbers, which came out earlier this year, show that the number of managed colonies -- that is, commercial honey-producing bee colonies managed by human beekeepers -- is now the highest it's been in 20 years.

    So if CCD is wiping out close to a third of all honeybee colonies a year, how are their numbers rising? One word: Beekeepers.

    ...

    Beekeepers have been doing this sort of thing since the advent of commercial beekeeping. When CCD came along, it roughly doubled the usual annual rate of bee die-offs. But this doesn't mean that bees are going extinct, just that beekeepers need to work a little harder to keep production up.

    The price of some of that extra work will get passed on to the consumer. The average retail price of honey has roughly doubled since 2006, for instance. And Kim Kaplan, a researcher with the USDA, points out that pollination fees -- the amount beekeepers charge to cart their bees around to farms and pollinate fruit and nut trees -- has approximately doubled over the same period.

    "It's not the honey bees that are in danger of going extinct," Kaplan wrote in an email, "it is the beekeepers providing pollination services because of the growing economic and management pressures. The alternative is that pollination contracts per colony have to continue to climb to make it economically sustainable for beekeepers to stay in business and provide pollination to the country’s fruit, vegetable, nut and berry crops." We have also been importing more honey from overseas lately.

    But rising prices for fruit and nuts hardly constitute the "beepocalypse" that we've all been worried about. Tucker and Thurman, the economists, call this a victory for the free market: "Not only was there not a failure of bee-related markets," they conclude in their paper, "but they adapted quickly and effectively to the changes induced by the appearance of Colony Collapse Disorder."
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    Wow, so glad the government didn't get involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, so glad the government didn't get involved.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, so glad the government didn't get involved.
    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    This.
    Oh, they have. They working on a solution to a nonexistent problem as we speak. They created a "Pollinator Task Force" in May. Pollinator police?

    The situation has become so dire that earlier this year the White House put forth the first National Strategy to Promote the Health of Honey Bees and Other Pollinators, a 64-page policy framework for saving the nation's bees, butterflies and other pollinating animals.
    You can read it here...
    http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/doc...linators/1554/
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    I've seen maybe 2 honeybees all year here in the wild. So, I call BS .

    This is commercial beekeeping they're talking about, too. And on top of that the study this piece cites is from the Political Economy Research Center whose funding is derived from Koch Network, The Chemical Manufacturers Association, Conoco, Pfizer and other special interests who are likely the main contributers to th problem in the forst place.

    So either the author of the piece is a bullshitter and knows the study is loaded and is relying on his readership to be as gullible as a two year old in order to start a discussion on the benefits of capitalism at the expense of a serious problem or the author isn't particularly investigative in his research prior to printing this stuff. Or both. I don't know. Likely both.

    Want to know what is going on with this in the real world outside of political lala land? Here... Ohio bees decimated by yet another die-off

    And another thing. Honeybees aren't even capitalist as this stupid fuk author seems to want to spin in his caption there in the picture.That alone tells us what the real motive is behind this poorly researched propaganda piece. If anything honeybees are socialist. Think about it. I mean, really. What are we freaking stupid or something? Or are we equally as disingenuous? Gosh.

    Go out in your yard tomorrow and count how many honeybees you see.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 07-30-2015 at 10:36 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wow, so glad the government didn't get involved.
    Bees are legally considered livestock, and as a result, government is way involved in keeping bees.
    Apparently in my county one of the things that happened since 2006 is a push to loosen regulations on beekeeping.
    So it needs to be said: without those regulations preventing amateur beekeeping, the "recovery" would not have taken as long as it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Michael View Post
    I've seen maybe 2 honeybees all year here in the wild. So, I call BS .

    This is commercial beekeeping they're talking about, too. And on top of that the study this piece cites is from the Political Economy Research Center whose funding is derived from Koch Network, The Chemical Manufacturers Association, Conoco, Pfizer and other special interests who are likely the main contributers to th problem in the forst place.

    So either the author of the piece is a bullshitter and knows the study is loaded and is relying on his readership to be as gullible as a two year old in order to start a discussion on the benefits of capitalism at the expense of a serious problem or the author isn't particularly investigative in his research prior to printing this stuff. Or both. I don't know. Likely both.

    Want to know what is going on with this in the real world outside of political lala land? Here... Ohio bees decimated by yet another die-off

    And another thing. Honeybees aren't even capitalist as this stupid fuk author seems to want to spin in his caption there in the picture.That alone tells us what the real motive is behind this poorly researched propaganda piece. If anything honeybees are socialist. Think about it. I mean, really. What are we freaking stupid or something? Or are we equally as disingenuous? Gosh.

    Go out in your yard tomorrow and count how many honeybees you see.
    What about National Geographic? http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...e-epa-science/

    The current crisis arose during the fall of 2006 as beekeepers around the country reported massive losses—more than a third of hives on average and up to 90 percent in some cases. Bees were flying away and simply not coming back; keepers would find boxes empty of adult bees except for a live queen. No bee corpses remained to tell the tale. The losses were unprecedented and fast.

    Now it's five years later, and though colony collapse disorder (CCD)—the name given to the mysterious killer condition—has dwindled in the manner of cyclical diseases, bees are still battling for their lives and their colonies are weaker than ever. The latest data, from the 2012-2013 winter, indicate an average loss of 45.1 percent of hives across all U.S. beekeepers, up 78.2 percent from the previous winter, and a total loss of 31.1 percent of commercial hives, on par with the last six years. (Most keepers now consider a 15 percent loss "acceptable.")
    Bees normally die off in winter and new bees replace them. The percent which dies off varies.

    Today's pollinator crisis, which has also hit Europe and now parts of Asia, is unprecedented. But honeybees have done disappearing acts on and off for more than a century, possibly since humans began domesticating them 4,500 years ago in Egypt. In the United States, unexplained colony declines in the 1880s, the 1920s, and the 1960s baffled farmers, and in 1995-1996 Pennsylvania keepers lost more than half of their colonies without a clear cause. The 1980s and 1990s saw various new parasites that hit bees hard; Varroa and tracheal mites became major killers, and they continue to plague hives and keep beekeepers up at night.
    Not enough food to go around for the bees?

    In addition to these problems piling up, "our inputs have gone up one-and-a-half times in the last decade," he says. "We now have to try to sustain bees [with extra food] when natural food is scarce, dearth periods that didn't exist before."

    Part of the problem is keepers have to boost hive numbers to meet demand, "but the carrying capacity of the environment hasn't changed." In fact, it's gone down. The amount of undeveloped land with good bee forage just isn't enough to sustain the masses, he says.

    Meanwhile, studies have shown that colonies with access to the best pollens (with more than 25 percent protein plus essential amino acids), which occur in diverse plant habitats once common across the landscape, are more robust and more resistant to disease than those in pollen-poor environments.
    Why keep worrying over the fate of a bunch of pesky stinging insects? Bees in their crucial role as pollinators are paramount. Western nations rely heavily on managed honeybees—the "moveable force" of bees that ride in trucks from farm to farm—to keep commercial agriculture productive. About a third of our foods (some 100 key crops) rely on these insects, including apples, nuts, all the favorite summer fruits (like blueberries and strawberries), alfalfa (which cows eat), and guar bean (used in all kinds of products). In total, bees contribute more than $15 billion to U.S. crop production, hardly small potatoes.

    No, we wouldn't starve without their services—much of the world lives without managed pollinators. But we'd lose an awful lot of good, healthy food, from cherries and broccoli to onions and almonds. Or we'd pay exorbitant costs for farmers to use some other, less efficient pollination technique to supplement the work that healthy natural pollinators could do. Plus, bee health can tell us a lot about environmental health, and thus about our own well-being.
    Interesting to note that honey bees were not native to North America. https://www.agriculture.purdue.edu/a...111199OSL.html

    So when did the first colonies of honey bees arrive in the New World? These bees probably came from England and arrived in Virginia in 1622. By 1639 colonies of honey bees were found throughout the woods in Massachusetts. Some of the colonists who arrived at Plymouth likely brought bees, as well as sheep, cows and chickens on the trip across the Atlantic.

    Once the bees were introduced, they, like other insects, were able to increase their range by moving into new territory. Honey bees increase colony numbers by swarming. Swarms are able to fly several miles to establish a new colony.

    Such migrating swarms brought honey bees to Connecticut and Pennsylvania by the mid 1650s. Honey bees had swarmed their way into Michigan by 1776 and Missouri, Indiana, Iowa and Illinois by 1800. In the next 20 years or so, bees had made their way to Arkansas, Oklahoma and Texas, as well as Wisconsin.

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    How about go out in your yard and count how many honeybees you see in the next week, zip. That's what is interesting to note. Gosh. Bullshitters. Bullshitters everywhere...

    And again...out in the real world ....Zip...where special interest backed research isn't defining the headlines or the terms of controversy... June 10, 2015- Beekeepers disheartened by loss of half of their colonies

    2 honeybees I've seen all year. What the heck are some of you people smoking? My gosh. This kind of disingenuous fodder is why nobody takes yuns serious anymore. And that's the truth. I've met more disingenuous people within the so called liberty movement than I've ever met among the most naive of bootlickers out there around the web. I mean, I can excuse their ignorance. I mean, they're freakin bootlickers for the most part. They don't ask questions. But you guys know the truth about this stuff. And you know how to research and see when an article is loaded. But you just try to bull$#@! your way around the issue to completely redefine the terms of controversy. And for what? People who read this stuff actually know a little bit about it. That's why they read it. You aren't redefining jack squat save for in your own mind. Gosh.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 07-30-2015 at 11:31 PM.

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    Give it up Zip. No amount of evidence will convince the poster formerly known as NC that what we've been calmly saying for the past 2 years was and is right.

    Cuz he can't see any bees, therefore the bees don't exist.

    (And the reason they don't exist is obviously Monsanto, although there's no proof of that either.....except of course he says so, and we are shills, and all the scientists in the world are on the dole.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Interesting to note that honey bees were not native to North America. https://www.agriculture.purdue.edu/a...111199OSL.html
    What were the insects that assisted the most in pollination before bees?

    Have bees replaced these insects to any extent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What were the insects that assisted the most in pollination before bees?

    Have bees replaced these insects to any extent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    (And the reason they don't exist is obviously Monsanto, although there's no proof of that either.....except of course he says so, and we are shills, and all the scientists in the world are on the dole.)

    Well, see...now you're doing exactly what the spin doctor who wrote the article was doing. You're begging questions completely out of relevant context for a prescribed narrative. Again..bullshitters...

    My gosh, woman. Do you really think people who read this stuff don't know what is really happening out in the wild with these bees? Heh. Come on. You're not that dumb. I know you aren't. But this kind of thing is what is going to get yuns bit in the end. Watch and see. And remember that I told you that. People are waking up to this issue. And these are politically active people. Doers. Not talkers. Not bullshitters. Doers. Now, in my time here I've seen quite a shift in opinion with regard to these issues. And I know that you have as well. You'd be blind not to see it. So take that for what its worth, angela. The issue is much broader han honeybees. And I know that you know that.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 07-30-2015 at 11:50 PM.

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    Ah screw it. I should know better than to try to have an honest discussion with some of my libertarian friends about this stuff. This is why I don't frequent here much these days. Bullshitters. They're everywhere.



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    My neighbor raises bees. I raise birds. He gives me honey. I give him eggs. I cannot describe how perfectly this all works out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Michael View Post
    Go out in your yard tomorrow and count how many honeybees you see.
    By the thousands, literally. Dunno why you don't, but the bees in WV are pretty healthy.
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    I know several people that are raising bees on a hobby level. It was unheard of not to many years ago. Now they are everywhere. Kind of like egg laying chickens. All walks of life are getting into bee keeping.

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Michael View Post
    I've seen maybe 2 honeybees all year here in the wild. So, I call BS .

    This is commercial beekeeping they're talking about, too. And on top of that the study this piece cites is from the Political Economy Research Center whose funding is derived from Koch Network, The Chemical Manufacturers Association, Conoco, Pfizer and other special interests who are likely the main contributers to th problem in the forst place.

    So either the author of the piece is a bullshitter and knows the study is loaded and is relying on his readership to be as gullible as a two year old in order to start a discussion on the benefits of capitalism at the expense of a serious problem or the author isn't particularly investigative in his research prior to printing this stuff. Or both. I don't know. Likely both.

    Want to know what is going on with this in the real world outside of political lala land? Here... Ohio bees decimated by yet another die-off

    And another thing. Honeybees aren't even capitalist as this stupid fuk author seems to want to spin in his caption there in the picture.That alone tells us what the real motive is behind this poorly researched propaganda piece. If anything honeybees are socialist. Think about it. I mean, really. What are we freaking stupid or something? Or are we equally as disingenuous? Gosh.

    Go out in your yard tomorrow and count how many honeybees you see.

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    LoL. If we would have used your sample size for polls in 2008 or 2012 Ron Paul would have been on top of the world.

    There are all kinds of things that could effect what you see and when.

    I've seen many more bees lately but I don't treat my lawn to get rid of flowers. I have lots of areas for them to gather pollen and I grow a large garden and a mini orchard for all kinds of food. My neighbor grows gardens full of flowers.

    Does my small sample size indicate we're headed towards a bee hostile takeover?

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Michael View Post
    How about go out in your yard and count how many honeybees you see in the next week, zip. That's what is interesting to note. Gosh. Bullshitters. Bullshitters everywhere...

    And again...out in the real world ....Zip...where special interest backed research isn't defining the headlines or the terms of controversy... June 10, 2015- Beekeepers disheartened by loss of half of their colonies

    2 honeybees I've seen all year. What the heck are some of you people smoking? My gosh. This kind of disingenuous fodder is why nobody takes yuns serious anymore. And that's the truth. I've met more disingenuous people within the so called liberty movement than I've ever met among the most naive of bootlickers out there around the web. I mean, I can excuse their ignorance. I mean, they're freakin bootlickers for the most part. They don't ask questions. But you guys know the truth about this stuff. And you know how to research and see when an article is loaded. But you just try to bull$#@! your way around the issue to completely redefine the terms of controversy. And for what? People who read this stuff actually know a little bit about it. That's why they read it. You aren't redefining jack squat save for in your own mind. Gosh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Michael View Post
    How about go out in your yard and count how many honeybees you see in the next week, zip. That's what is interesting to note. Gosh. Bullshitters. Bullshitters everywhere...

    And again...out in the real world ....Zip...where special interest backed research isn't defining the headlines or the terms of controversy... June 10, 2015- Beekeepers disheartened by loss of half of their colonies

    2 honeybees I've seen all year. What the heck are some of you people smoking? My gosh. This kind of disingenuous fodder is why nobody takes yuns serious anymore. And that's the truth. I've met more disingenuous people within the so called liberty movement than I've ever met among the most naive of bootlickers out there around the web. I mean, I can excuse their ignorance. I mean, they're freakin bootlickers for the most part. They don't ask questions. But you guys know the truth about this stuff. And you know how to research and see when an article is loaded. But you just try to bull$#@! your way around the issue to completely redefine the terms of controversy. And for what? People who read this stuff actually know a little bit about it. That's why they read it. You aren't redefining jack squat save for in your own mind. Gosh.
    Colony collapse certainly is real. That said, there have been tons of wild bees around here this year. I've seen 4 wild colonies within a half mile of me, and heard of 3 other swarms. Lots of people are getting into beekeeping, and their bees seem to be doing pretty good here. Not professionals, just hobbyists or small time farmers.

    I don't doubt you when you say there are hardly any in your are though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Colony collapse certainly is real. That said, there have been tons of wild bees around here this year. I've seen 4 wild colonies within a half mile of me, and heard of 3 other swarms. Lots of people are getting into beekeeping, and their bees seem to be doing pretty good here. Not professionals, just hobbyists or small time farmers.

    I don't doubt you when you say there are hardly any in your are though.
    Ditto. Right down the road I have a beekeeper and she is having a good year, I just bought some local honey from her. But in my area lots of people are conscience of Glyphosate and GMO's Thank God.
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    LoL. If we would have used your sample size for polls in 2008 or 2012 Ron Paul would have been on top of the world.

    There are all kinds of things that could effect what you see and when.

    I've seen many more bees lately but I don't treat my lawn to get rid of flowers. I have lots of areas for them to gather pollen and I grow a large garden and a mini orchard for all kinds of food. My neighbor grows gardens full of flowers.

    Does my small sample size indicate we're headed towards a bee hostile takeover?

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Michael View Post
    How about go out in your yard and count how many honeybees you see in the next week, zip. That's what is interesting to note. Gosh. Bullshitters. Bullshitters everywhere...

    And again...out in the real world ....Zip...where special interest backed research isn't defining the headlines or the terms of controversy... June 10, 2015- Beekeepers disheartened by loss of half of their colonies

    2 honeybees I've seen all year. What the heck are some of you people smoking? My gosh. This kind of disingenuous fodder is why nobody takes yuns serious anymore. And that's the truth. I've met more disingenuous people within the so called liberty movement than I've ever met among the most naive of bootlickers out there around the web. I mean, I can excuse their ignorance. I mean, they're freakin bootlickers for the most part. They don't ask questions. But you guys know the truth about this stuff. And you know how to research and see when an article is loaded. But you just try to bull$#@! your way around the issue to completely redefine the terms of controversy. And for what? People who read this stuff actually know a little bit about it. That's why they read it. You aren't redefining jack squat save for in your own mind. Gosh.



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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    My neighbor raises bees. I raise birds. He gives me honey. I give him eggs. I cannot describe how perfectly this all works out.



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