Trump: "All freedoms flow from national security"

[Anti Federalist]

The reason conservatives support a strong and well-funded military is because they know that all freedoms flow from national security.

Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p. 90-91 , Dec 5, 2011

[Christopher A. Brown]

The reason conservatives support a strong and well-funded military is because they know that all freedoms flow from national security.

Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p. 90-91 , Dec 5, 2011

Economic rewards from pillaged resources have also created part of the world that hates us.

All that really has little to do with freedom. Under the conditions resulting for conquest, maybe, but will we make that perpetual?

Stupid people use violence that destroys resources and makes enemies. Smart people are so valuable to the rest of the world they are all about cooperating with you.

But Trump might be the lessor of evils today.

[Jan2017]

The reason conservatives support a strong and well-funded military is because they know that all freedoms flow from national security.

Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p. 90-91 , Dec 5, 2011

Same as right out of Rudy Giuliani's playbook as well . . . paraphrased as "Freedom is about authority."

Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

http://reason.com/blog/2007/08/15/fr...bout-authority

[Ender]

Trump's an I.D.10.T.

[Anti Federalist]

Same as right out of Rudy Giuliani's playbook as well . . . paraphrased as "Freedom is about authority."

Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

http://reason.com/blog/2007/08/15/fr...bout-authority

Yup, I thought that exact same thing when I saw it.

[Occam's Banana]

All freedoms flow from National Security, hallowed be Thy name
Thy tryanny come, Thy will be done, in 'Merica as it was in Orwell
Give us this day our daily surveillance, and forgive us our thought-crimes
As we snitch on those who thought-crime against Thee
And lead us not into liberty, but deliver us from scary "terrorists"
For Thine is the State, and the power, and the panopticon, for ever and ever, amen

[TaftFan]

"Flow"

What, is freedom now a liquid?

[Dr.3D]

National Security is just a code name for government security.

[AuH20]

We get it. You loathe Trump. Too bad no one is the room will get within a stone's throw to the presidency. At best, the system breaks down.

[RJB]

"Flow"

What, is freedom now a liquid?

A liquid to be dammed (or damned) at their whim.

[Sola_Fide]

Well, at least we know that he has no idea where rights come from.

[jj-]

We get it. You loathe Trump. Too bad no one is the room will get within a stone's throw to the presidency. At best, the system breaks down.

Nothing posted is news to me. I criticized Trump's attempt to use eminent domain when it was news. It's funny that posting all these articles is just about a waste of time, because people don't support Trump because they expect a perfect candidate, but to disrupt the establishment and to at least get a centrist after having a hardcore Marxist leftist, and they don't trust the Republicans to deliver. Unfortunately they don't trust Rand either because they're at a point they don't trust any Republican politician in office, period. They don't follow the news like we do to know that some are different.

[AuH20]

I'm pretty certain he's stating that the exercise of freedom is predicated upon physical security. So if you have a rampaging army terrorizing your streets, you're probably not going to maximize your freedom.

[AuH20]

Nothing posted is news to me. I criticized Trump's attempt to use eminent domain when it was news. It's funny that posting all these articles is just about a waste of time, because people don't support Trump because they expect a perfect candidate, but to disrupt the establishment and to at least get a centrist after having a hardcore Marxist leftist, and they don't trust the Republicans to deliver. Unfortunately they don't trust Rand either because they're at a point they don't trust any Republican politician in office, period. They don't follow the news like we do to know that some are different.

Number one, it's highly unlikely Trump gets the presidency since these things are decided behind the scenes. Though there is a chance he could wrangle away the Republican primary, based off pure charisma. Number two, voting for someone does not mean that you necessarily endorse them. Thirdly, voting is deciding things after the fact, which ties into point #1. So this nonsense that you or I are abetting evil is complete nonsense, when the entire process is inherently unfair and evil to begin with.

[dude58677]

All freedoms flow from National Security, hallowed be Thy name
Thy tryanny come, Thy will be done, in 'Merica as it was in Orwell
Give us this day our daily surveillance, and forgive us our thought-crimes
As we snitch on those who thought-crime against Thee
And lead us not into liberty, but deliver us from scary "terrorists"
For Thine is the State, and the power, and the panopticon, for ever and ever, amen

ROFLMAO!

[Sola_Fide]

All freedoms flow from National Security, hallowed be Thy name
Thy tryanny come, Thy will be done, in 'Merica as it was in Orwell
Give us this day our daily surveillance, and forgive us our thought-crimes
As we snitch on those who thought-crime against Thee
And lead us not into liberty, but deliver us from scary "terrorists"
For Thine is the State, and the power, and the panopticon, for ever and ever, amen

That was great. +rep

[Anti Federalist]

We get it. You loathe Trump. Too bad no one is the room will get within a stone's throw to the presidency. At best, the system breaks down.

Loathe is a strong word.

I see a lot of people getting starry - eyed because Trump shouted some bellicose words at people.

I think it is misplaced affection, just like those that thought the same thing about Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders on the left, just because they may say the right thing, usually for the wrong reason, does not mean they are worthy of political support.

And the thing is: I happen to agree with Trump on trade issues, as those who know me, know.

But in the end I think he is just another NYC authoritarian, pressed from the same mold as Doomberg and Ghouliani, who I do loathe.

[EBounding]

I think what Trump is doing is funny, but overall it's not helpful. I don't want him anywhere near the presidency. He's just as dangerous as any of the other candidates.

[Henry Rogue]

I'm pretty certain he's stating that the exercise of freedom is predicated upon physical security. So if you have a rampaging army terrorizing your streets, you're probably not going to maximize your freedom.

Especially when it's your own country's government's army.

[GunnyFreedom]

Loathe is a strong word.

I see a lot of people getting starry - eyed because Trump shouted some bellicose words at people.

I think it is misplaced affection, just like those that thought the same thing about Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders on the left, just because they may say the right thing, usually for the wrong reason, does not mean they are worthy of political support.

And the thing is: I happen to agree with Trump on trade issues, as those who know me, know.

But in the end I think he is just another NYC authoritarian, pressed from the same mold as Doomberg and Ghouliani, who I do loathe.

This. I don't really GAF about Trump, but seeing people whom I have formerly thought of as being principled glomming on to this clown, that bothers me.

[timosman]

This. I don't really GAF about Trump, but seeing people whom I have formerly thought of as being principled glomming on to this clown, that bothers me.

When this clown goes down, and he will, everything he was throwing out will be discredited as well. Anybody mentioning how biased the media is will be likened to him and declared insane instantly. Everything he talks about becomes a taboo subject. A brilliant way to quash dissent.

[Occam's Banana]

I'm pretty certain he's stating that the exercise of freedom is predicated upon physical security. So if you have a rampaging army terrorizing your streets, you're probably not going to maximize your freedom.

The following "predicates" for the exercise of "freedom" were brought to you by the American "security" state (whence "all freedoms flow" ) ...

[Origanalist]

When this clown goes down, and he will, everything he was throwing out will be discredited as well. Anybody mentioning how biased the media is will be likened to him and declared insane instantly. Everything he talks about becomes a taboo subject. A brilliant way to quash dissent.

I agree totally.

[cindy25]

is this much different from Tom Cotton, Joni Earnest, Lindsey Graham, Peter King, even Walker and Rubio? Rand can't beat Trump on either immigration or Israel or national security (among the sheep who vote in Iowa) find other issues: forced National service (could Trump be goaded into supporting it?) copyright reform/internet privacy (Rand led the the fight against SOPA) Rand is smarter, a better debater but he needs to be more aggressive.
but keep Trump in the debates, keep it on the issues, and stop being thin skinned (Rand won't go on O'Reilly because its a tough interview)

[cajuncocoa]

We get it. You loathe Trump. Too bad no one is the room will get within a stone's throw to the presidency. At best, the system breaks down.

And we get it...you love him.

What you don't get is we loathe the idea of him....freedom from national security? What part of that sounds like liberty to you?

[PaulConventionWV]

Wow. $#@! that guy.

[David Sadler]

The reason conservatives support a strong and well-funded military is because they know that all freedoms flow from national security.

Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p. 90-91 , Dec 5, 2011

Is this intended to imply that Trump is advocating a militarized police state?

It should be obvious that liberty and the security to live (express) that liberty go hand in hand.

Should we imply from this that Rand and Ron are against a strong military and are, therefore, against national security? Have either of them said such a thing?

[RJB]

It should be obvious that liberty and the security to live (express) that liberty go hand in hand.

Should we imply from this that Rand and Ron are against a strong military and are, therefore, against national security? Have either of them said such a thing?

Many of our founders were against standing armies. This is one of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment. An armed citizenry negates the need for an overpowering police state.

Liberals have lost their way. Instead of trying to disarm tyrants and governments, they want to disarm people.

Conservatives have become suicidal. On one hand they claim the 2nd Amendment is to fight tyranny. On the other hand they arm the machinery of tyranny to the teeth.

With the 2nd Amendment we needn't have mothers and father stationed far from home and family in 130+ plus countries getting scarred physically, mentally and spiritually. They should be at home raising their families, starting businesses, going to college, etc. The "assault rifles" should be well oiled in their closets, otherwise gathering dust.

[Sola_Fide]

Is this intended to imply that Trump is advocating a militarized police state?

It should be obvious that liberty and the security to live (express) that liberty go hand in hand.

Should we imply from this that Rand and Ron are against a strong military and are, therefore, against national security? Have either of them said such a thing?

Where does "security" come from? The military?

[David Sadler]

Many of our founders were against standing armies. This is one of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment. An armed citizenry negates the need for an overpowering police state.

Liberals have lost their way. Instead of trying to disarm tyrants and governments, they want to disarm people.

Conservatives have become suicidal. On one hand they claim the 2nd Amendment is to fight tyranny. On the other hand they arm the machinery of tyranny to the teeth.

With the 2nd Amendment we needn't have mothers and father stationed far from home and family in 130+ plus countries getting scarred physically, mentally and spiritually. They should be at home raising their families, starting businesses, going to college, etc. The "assault rifles" should be well oiled in their closets, otherwise gathering dust.

How do you infer from the OP's Trump quote that Trump is advocating a standing domestic army -- militarized police state?

Are you advocating doing away with our army, air force and navy? Are you advocating doing away with the Pentagon, DoD, National Guard and Coast Guard?

Is Rand advocating these things? Did Ron advocate these things?