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Thread: And the door closes still further: Owe taxes? No escape for you.

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    Exclamation And the door closes still further: Owe taxes? No escape for you.

    US War on Your Passport Continues

    Daniel McAdams

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    Just the other day we wrote about a US House “suspension” bill that would give the Secretary of State the authority to cancel your passport if he decided that you had “aided” an organization that he rules is terrorist. There is no definition of what “aided” means, no chance to dispute the Secretary’s decision, no trial or presentation of evidence, and in fact any evidence the government has can be classified as secret so that you may not see it. In effect the Secretary of State can unilaterally consign you to internal exile and there is nothing you can do about it.

    Because Members of the US House were too cowardly to go on record voting for such an anti-American piece of legislation, the bill passed by a voice vote.

    Today the US Senate plans to one-up its counterparts on the lowlier side of Capitol Hill. Buried inside the US highways funding bill is a provision to revoke or deny issuance of a US passport to anyone who has a large outstanding tax debt to the US Internal Revenue Service. According to a Senate Finance Committee summary (PDF) acquired today, the measure provides for:

    Revocation or denial of passport in case of certain unpaid taxes. This provision would authorize the Federal government to deny the application for a passport when an individual has more than $50,000 (indexed for inflation) of unpaid federal taxes which the IRS is collecting through enforcement action. It would also permit the Federal government to revoke a passport for such individuals. Before revocation, however, the Federal government would be allowed to limit a previously issued passport only for return travel to the United States or to issue a limited passport that only permits return travel to the United States. The provision would be effective on January 1, 2016, and is estimated to raise $0.398 billion over 10 years.

    As can be seen from the summary, this measure threatening to imprison Americans within (or outside) US borders is simply viewed as a means by which to raise revenue. The hoped-for increase in revenue coming from this threat is considered an “offset” to the money being spent on the highway bill — in other words the threat to imprison US citizens within their own country or freeze them out is considered appropriate incentive to force them to pay what the government claims it is owed.

    Unconvinced that the US government would do such a thing? Check the bill coming to the Senate Floor. Section 52102 of the Highway Funding bill, to be taken up by the Senate today, states:

    If the Secretary receives certification by the Commissioner of Internal Revenue that any individual has a seriously delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000, the Secretary shall transmit such certification to the Secretary of State for action with respect to denial, revocation, or limitation of a passport pursuant to section 52102(d) of the Transportation Funding Act of 2015.

    Tax “deadbeats” will be either denied entry into the United States or forbidden from leaving the United States.

    The use of citizenship rights as a weapon against Americans is becoming increasingly common as Washington is ever more desperate for control of its passport holders.

    The last time Ron Paul ran for president, the mainstream media ridiculed him for claiming that the US government’s border control strategy is most likely designed to keep Americans from leaving the country rather than to keep illegals from entering. These two measures within a week’s time pretty clearly confirm what was once laughed off as a “paranoid” view that the US government was building a virtual Berlin Wall to keep its citizens from departing. Perhaps that is why this year a record number of Americans are renouncing their passports and getting out of the country…while they still can.
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    Just cross the border...it's wide open....oh wait Mexico will jail or kill you. Guess Cuba or canada
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    What these bills will do is make getting a second passport effectively the least expensive option for people facing IRS aggression. Some asset protection firms or sites can help people make arrangements with several countries offering a passport, that cover a range of prices (many of which fall far below $50,000). There might be a new cottage industry created of people obtaining foreign "exit passports" as a result of such new laws.
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    Owe child support no escape for you also. John Kasich's bill the "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996" revokes your passport if you ever end up owing child support.
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    the amount expected to be collected is so small. $30 million a year. the is not even 1/2 hour of deficit spending. they are getting desperate

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    It's to the point where I'm seriously considering moving from this country. Every day I am more and more astonished at the corruption and tyranny of this Government. I am seriously concerned there will come a time when we will be prohibited from leaving. I have been giving Chile some serious consideration, where a couple can live very well for $1,500. per month. I'm sure Chile has issues of its own, but seeing the U.S. on free fall to dictatorship just breaks my heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    What these bills will do is make getting a second passport effectively the least expensive option for people facing IRS aggression. Some asset protection firms or sites can help people make arrangements with several countries offering a passport, that cover a range of prices (many of which fall far below $50,000). There might be a new cottage industry created of people obtaining foreign "exit passports" as a result of such new laws.
    Legally you are not allowed to leave or enter on a different passport if you are a citizen of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhad View Post
    Legally you are not allowed to leave or enter on a different passport if you are a citizen of the country.
    Legally, you are not supposed to have your right to travel restricted. The exiting person, if not yet on a list, could use their existing US passport to leave the country one time, and thereafter use their second passport to get around. If one applies for an original passport based on being state sovereign or American National (a non-resident alien not domiciled in the US) and got approved, one would not statutorily be a "US Citizen" to be subject to the legal restrictions on US citizens.

    Even if you applied for and did not get a passport on this basis, the official application would still state your declaration as a NRA, and could be cited as factual evidence you were not subject to the legal restriction. More details on citizen status at:

    http://famguardian.org/Publications/...yANational.pdf
    Last edited by Peace&Freedom; 07-26-2015 at 04:38 PM.
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    While Obama unilaterally gives BILLIONS to Iran and his homeland, Kenya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    It's to the point where I'm seriously considering moving from this country. Every day I am more and more astonished at the corruption and tyranny of this Government. I am seriously concerned there will come a time when we will be prohibited from leaving. I have been giving Chile some serious consideration, where a couple can live very well for $1,500. per month. I'm sure Chile has issues of its own, but seeing the U.S. on free fall to dictatorship just breaks my heart.
    What tyranny? What corruption? It can't be so!! We haz a Constitution!!1!!11!
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    The problem is when this system comes full circle, there will be no where to run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace&Freedom View Post
    Legally, you are not supposed to have your right to travel restricted.
    You have no right to travel, knave.

    You have a permission slip, a privilege granted by government, says so right on the document, that it belongs to the state.

    Which means the state can revoke it any time it feels like, for any reason or no reason at all.
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    Has this been signed into law already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    What tyranny? What corruption? It can't be so!! We haz a Constitution!!1!!11!
    Yes, because of those who whined instead of insisting it was followed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Yes, because of those who whined instead of insisting it was followed.
    What the hell are you talking about?

    The Supreme Court, given authority by the constitution, has ruled that all of this is legal and constitutional:

    See: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf for IRS authority.

    See: http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/08/politi...alem-passport/ for the latest ruling asserting the executive branch's power over passports.

    All legal.

    All constitutional.

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    I see very little incentive to keep up with the details anymore.

    I believe the situation can be summed up like this:
    If we don't want you to leave then you can't.

    It just looks like they're rubbing themselves off with the silliness of these new laws. "Hey guise! Let's make another token move that just helps solidify what everyone already knows by now."

    Of course... if we don't like it then we can just leave
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    Escape? TO WHERE?

    WHERE is really the big question. There is not a place on earth that has not been tainted by the corruption of the US Govt. Go to Venezuela? They will think the same way as our rulers do; they will believe that they now "own you". Run away to Kiev? Same thing. Property of <insert place here>. Run away to Antarctica? Property of NATO.

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    Sneak out via Mexico, do your business and then sneak back in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    Sneak out via Mexico, do your business and then sneak back in.
    LOL, literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Escape? TO WHERE?

    WHERE is really the big question. There is not a place on earth that has not been tainted by the corruption of the US Govt. Go to Venezuela? They will think the same way as our rulers do; they will believe that they now "own you". Run away to Kiev? Same thing. Property of <insert place here>. Run away to Antarctica? Property of NATO.

    Countries are Free Range Farms. Taxes are nothing more than application of Human Livestock Management Practices.

    Free Range is NOT the same thing as Freedom. Make no mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Looks like Phreedumb to me comrade.



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