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The killing of the unborn is sick enough. Adding in the fact that the body parts are then being sold tells of a sickness that comes from people who place no value in human life, outside of how much profit can be extracted from each one.
Go Rand, take this issue head first. It is good enough to fire up the entire Bible Belt.
I keep getting hammered from the left with the argument that research from fetal tissue has given way to things like the polio vaccine. If Rand Paul is serious about taking this bull by the horns, he needs to be prepared for these sort of 'gotcha's!' I can see it now, "Rand Paul wants everyone to suffer from diseases like polio."
Maybe at a later point we need an ethical debate thread on this subject. I'm leaning towards thinking it's not ethical to end the life of one being, even if it might benefit millions. Some people worship at the altar of scientific progress. I'm trying to figure out where basic humanity towards one another fits into that equation. (Maybe it doesn't fit, in the liberal mindset, which is all about the collective good at the expense of the individual)
But I wonder if the American people are unfit to have such a debate on ethics at this time. Most are either too dumb, too distracted, or too selfish. And I'm too harsh.
Last edited by nobody's_hero; 07-19-2015 at 11:25 AM.
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They should attach the planned parenthood cut with a cut to something else that the GOP tends to like. Then, the true fiscal conservatives will be separated from the partisans.
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The epitome of libertarian populismOriginally Posted by Ron Paul
Hopefully he consults with Amash about the right way to go about this.
Don't go for some symbolic gesture where you just defund some specific named organization. Go for a law that does not allow any funds to be given to any organization that performs abortions, or that gets more than x% of its revenue from performing abortions or something.
The epitome of libertarian populismOriginally Posted by Ron Paul
Why is he tackling this issue ? What good can come out of this ? Another great advice from the campaign managers.
The epitome of libertarian populismOriginally Posted by Ron Paul
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- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
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I think seeing as they violated federal law that prohibits the selling of human organ, the justice department can just use that case to take down the whole org. Then again, there is a chance they did not actually commit any crime. For all we know, they were probably charging them shipping and handling fees which doesn't equate to organ selling. You don't have to punish another organization who didn't do anything wrong because you are going after PP.
When I remove emotion from this story, I rather see the tissue/organ from the fetuses used for research rather than sent to the biological hazard bin.
Last edited by juleswin; 07-19-2015 at 08:59 PM.
The issue is very divisive, not very important in the grand scheme of things plus it is impossible to swing anybody's views on this one. I expect net negative out of this. This is something an establishment distractor candidate would do in order to justify failure at a later time. If he is trying to emulate Trump he is going about it the wrong way.
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Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law. -Douglas Hofstadter
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Of course, since money is fungible, since they fund Planned Parenthood, they do directly fund abortion. Making it look like they don't is just an accounting trick. They need to not fund them at all, for anything.
I don't buy that.
It might be that abortions are 3% of what they do as a percent of total interactions, like they give out 25 condoms (for a few bucks), 49 morning after pills (I dunno, a couple hundred bucks), 13 IUDs (another hundred maybe), 10 brochures (a dollar), and 3 abortions (tens of thousands of dollars). And then they say that abortions are only 3% of what they do, when they're really 99% of their budget.
It's silly though, because if the public money is not allowed to go to the 3% of their abortion budget and instead goes to the rest of the 97%, then PP in turn will use some of the excess money raised from the 97% and apply it to the 3%. In the end, PP decides how much of their total budget goes to what service, and the government increases their total budget.
It's like if a community of 10 produces 9 barrels of wheat, And the federal government supplies 1 barrel and says well this barrel can't go to Fred. So the community gives Fred one of their 9 barrels and gives the govt barrel to someone else. Without the government, everyone would have 0.9 barrels, and with the government, everyone including Fred gets 0.1 more barrels even though the govt barrel can't go to Fred.
Last edited by Crashland; 07-20-2015 at 08:57 AM.
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