"When a cop shows up you're not in charge even if it is your house"

[jllundqu]

Can somebody explain why you can not sue the cop personally in addition to the department ? I think the sexual harassment cases can be brought up against the company and the person involved at the same time. Cops are not exactly poor.

It's easy... it is determined by whether or not the cop was "acting within the scope of his authority". If he is 'within scope' the department has his back in tort claims. If he is found to be 'out of scope' then he is on his own since he was outside his authority.

[Pericles]

When a nazi officer comes into your home and asks you if you are a jew, you try to convince him you're not a jew, not tell him to $#@! off and spit in his face.

There was one other alternative, but that would have involved a Mauser rifle and ammunition.

[timosman]

There was one other alternative, but that would have involved a Mauser rifle and ammunition.

You should see a doctor, proctologist would be a good choice. Might be able to locate your head.

[morfeeis]

So then are you prepared to shoot a cop that breaks into your home? I've had cops in my backyard that were investigating a break in because my neighbor saw someone suspicious trying to break into my other neighbor's house. I didn't know until after the fact. Should they have been shot for trespassing? People have been charged with murder for shooting and killing intruders. I'm not going to be that $#@!ing guy who gets charged for murder for shooting an intruder, when I can dissolve the situation without lethal force. Yes, this has happened, and people on juries are not the best or brightest, either. A lot of jury members treat it as nothing more than a chore and will happily throw you into prison so they can end a case quick and get on with their lives. And this situation is a lot different than someone breaking into your home at 3am in the morning with a gun. That's shoot on sight. Their first mistake was answering the door for cops when they didn't have a warrant in the first place.

false dilemma: there is a huge difference between shooting someone roaming around you backyard without speaking a word and shooting some law breaking idiot who just burst into you home. if you're not ready to shoot anyone who breaks into your home who is there to do you and yours harm you have failed all those you are charged to protect.

[morfeeis]

1:40 she talked to him like a child, got him angry, then she got the nude arrest. I never said she deserved anything, but she didn't help her $#@!ty situation by doing that, that's all I'm saying. Look at the little smirk she gives him, cops hate that $#@!.

HE BROKE INTO HER HOUSE! I'm not sure what isn't clear about that to you, it's like saying someone broke into your house and then they had the right to arrest you because you were rude to them. O wait that is what happened.

She has an estranged husband. I wonder why!

Poisoning the well.

[GunnyFreedom]

You should see a doctor, proctologist would be a good choice. Might be able to locate your head.

see my sig.

[roho76]

So then are you prepared to shoot a cop that breaks into your home? I've had cops in my backyard that were investigating a break in because my neighbor saw someone suspicious trying to break into my other neighbor's house. I didn't know until after the fact. Should they have been shot for trespassing? People have been charged with murder for shooting and killing intruders. I'm not going to be that $#@!ing guy who gets charged for murder for shooting an intruder, when I can dissolve the situation without lethal force. Yes, this has happened, and people on juries are not the best or brightest, either. A lot of jury members treat it as nothing more than a chore and will happily throw you into prison so they can end a case quick and get on with their lives. And this situation is a lot different than someone breaking into your home at 3am in the morning with a gun. That's shoot on sight. Their first mistake was answering the door for cops when they didn't have a warrant in the first place.

I will defend my home from unwarranted intruders.

[roho76]

C'mon what's wrong with Germans ? They are not different from Americans. The Milgram experiment proved that:

"I would say, on the basis of having observe a thousand people in the experiment and having my own intuition shaped and informed by these experiments, that if a system of death camps were set up in the United States of the sort we had seen in Nazi Germany, one would find sufficient personnel for those camps in any medium-sized American town."

I agree wholeheartedly. If we started rounding up muslims in this country and killing them you would have the largest job growth in American history.

[roho76]

Is this the "Liberty, unless it's the Authorities", Forum?

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Is this the "Liberty, unless it's the Authorities", Forum?

No, it's apparently the "shoot cops first, ask questions later" forum

Let's examine what I initially said, because I'm sure some of you jumped on the "hate all cops!" bandwagon without even reading it

Ok I hate cop abuse like any other forumgoer here, but she was snotty as hell to the cops. Psshawww, are you done? You can still be respectful and reserve your rights without being a bitch. Not saying the cop is right, but it doesn't help when you purposefully provoke these people.

Exhibit A: I say I hate cop abuse
Exhibit B: I say she was being rude to the cops
Exhibit C: I said the cop wasn't right

I guarantee you if she just told the cop everything at the house is fine and there's no problem, they would have left, then she could file a complaint/sue them for unlawful entry. Her first mistake was answering the door when they didn't even have a warrant. That let them segue into just running right into her house. I'm not blaming the victim, because no one forced the cops to break the law, but at the same time you need to know how to deal with dangerous people. Choosing your battles is a $#@!ing strategy, not being a boot-licking pussy.

Furthermore, using a weapon to defend herself wasn't even an OPTION at that point, because either she A. didn't have a weapon or B. the cops were already there and obviously wouldn't let her go and grab a rifle.

[GunnyFreedom]

No, it's apparently the "shoot cops first, ask questions later" forum

The time is coming when America will be a greater despotic tyranny than was Hitler's Germany, and when that day comes, it will be the duty of every American to choose what and whom they will honor. My recognition of the forces that are coalescing and aligning today, does not mean that I am carrying weapons to the front door every time I hear a rattle, but it does mean that I am preparing myself, emotionally spiritually and physically, for the violent times that will come in the future. When that day comes, as it inevitably will, that the official forces of our government are carting people off in cattle cars, I will not quietly submit, and I will not go gracefully into that dark night. I will fight, tooth and nail if needs be, to preserve the liberty with which we have been endowed. They may disarm me, but my barrel will be cherry red hot, I will be dead, and my bayonet will be coated in the blood of my enemies.

The time is coming, and is even closer than people realize, that fighting will not be a matter of choice but survival.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

The time is coming when America will be a greater despotic tyranny than was Hitler's Germany, and when that day comes, it will be the duty of every American to choose what and whom they will honor. My recognition of the forces that are coalescing and aligning today, does not mean that I am carrying weapons to the front door every time I hear a rattle, but it does mean that I am preparing myself, emotionally spiritually and physically, for the violent times that will come in the future. When that day comes, as it inevitably will, that the official forces of our government are carting people off in cattle cars, I will not quietly submit, and I will not go gracefully into that dark night. I will fight, tooth and nail if needs be, to preserve the liberty with which we have been endowed. They may disarm me, but my barrel will be cherry red hot, I will be dead, and my bayonet will be coated in the blood of my enemies.

The time is coming, and is even closer than people realize, that fighting will not be a matter of choice but survival.

I don't disagree

[timosman]

The time is coming when America will be a greater despotic tyranny than was Hitler's Germany, and when that day comes, it will be the duty of every American to choose what and whom they will honor. My recognition of the forces that are coalescing and aligning today, does not mean that I am carrying weapons to the front door every time I hear a rattle, but it does mean that I am preparing myself, emotionally spiritually and physically, for the violent times that will come in the future. When that day comes, as it inevitably will, that the official forces of our government are carting people off in cattle cars, I will not quietly submit, and I will not go gracefully into that dark night. I will fight, tooth and nail if needs be, to preserve the liberty with which we have been endowed. They may disarm me, but my barrel will be cherry red hot, I will be dead, and my bayonet will be coated in the blood of my enemies.

The time is coming, and is even closer than people realize, that fighting will not be a matter of choice but survival.

Stop scaring people. The system collapse is a completely survivable event. One day you wake up and you local TV newscaster wears a uniform with their real ranks.
A year or two later the new system is in place and life goes on. Plenty of opportunities to make money for those who are not scared.

[presence]

[Dianne]

That was traumatic to watch, especially hearing her young daughter crying in the background.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

It's easy... it is determined by whether or not the cop was "acting within the scope of his authority". If he is 'within scope' the department has his back in tort claims. If he is found to be 'out of scope' then he is on his own since he was outside his authority.

Well then since he stepped out of his scope of authority he should be tried as a civilian obviously, and the body cam (on the other officer I think) was unlawfully recording inside of her home. Houses aren't public property.

[Occam's Banana]

Holy $#@!, you're obsessing over what word I used to describe someone like a $#@!ing SJW. Would it be better if I used a gender neutral word?

I don't give a $#@! about the particular words you used. I merely cited them as evidence of your disparagement of and contempt for someone who did nothing to deserve either of those things. If this had been a man, and you had mocked him as a "boorish bastard," I would have cited those words instead - and would otherwise have replied in exactly the same way for exactly the same reasons.

So you'll have to find some other way to deflect than by whining about how you're being persecuted by a "social justice warrior." (I guess anyone who has the temerity to think you're an ass for rudely criticizing someone for standing up to a goon cop must be some kinda "cultural Marxist," too - amirite?)

You already said you would not do the same thing so I suppose your balls are missing too.

No, I didn't say I wouldn't. I only said I "likely" or "maybe" wouldn't. I self-deprecatingly hedged my bets because I simply don't know. I've never been put to that test.

But if it comes to it and it turns out that my balls were indeed missing, then unlike you, I would not try to compensate for my lack of testicular fortitude by mocking & deriding those whose balls were NOT missing. (Nor would I asininely declare that I was not "blaiming" them while simultanously doing just that by expressing several variations on the theme of "they did it to themselves.")

Your argument has gone from disagreeing with me to flogging my character as a human being. So by all means, keep insulting me. I'm not going to apologize for my opinion. There's nothing left to gain from this thiread.

LOL. From your very first post in this thread, you have been "flogging" someone's "character as a human being."

And when someone calls you on it, you hide behind fatuous accusations of "SJW!!" and hypocritical whingings about how "insulted" you are ...

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I don't give a $#@! about the particular words you used. I merely cited them as evidence of your disparagement of and contempt for someone who did nothing to deserve either of those things. If this had been a man, and you had mocked him as a "boorish bastard," I would have cited those words instead - and would otherwise have replied in exactly the same way for exactly the same reasons.

So you'll have to find some other way to deflect than by whining about how you're being persecuted by a "social justice warrior." (I guess anyone who has the temerity to think you're an ass for rudely criticizing someone for standing up to a goon cop must be some kinda "cultural Marxist," too - amirite?)





No, I didn't say I wouldn't. I only said I "likely" or "maybe" wouldn't. I self-deprecatingly hedged my bets because I simply don't know. I've never been put to that test.

But if it comes to it and it turns out that my balls were indeed missing, then unlike you, I would not try to compensate for my lack of testicular fortitude by mocking & deriding those whose balls were NOT missing. (Nor would I asininely declare that I was not "blaiming" them while simultanously doing just that by expressing several variations on the theme of "they did it to themselves.")



LOL. From your very first post in this thread, you have been "flogging" someone's "character as a human being."

And when someone calls you on it, you hide behind fatuous accusations of "SJW!!" and hypocritical whingings about how "insulted" you are ...

I understand. Are you done?

[Spikender]

Fake tears, fake outrage, she is just trying to get a payday

Good point. Cops breaking into your home and stripping you naked in front of your daughter is not cause for anger or tears.

Deal with it you peon mu'$#@!ers - Officer Joe Donut

[Pericles]

The time is coming when America will be a greater despotic tyranny than was Hitler's Germany, and when that day comes, it will be the duty of every American to choose what and whom they will honor. My recognition of the forces that are coalescing and aligning today, does not mean that I am carrying weapons to the front door every time I hear a rattle, but it does mean that I am preparing myself, emotionally spiritually and physically, for the violent times that will come in the future. When that day comes, as it inevitably will, that the official forces of our government are carting people off in cattle cars, I will not quietly submit, and I will not go gracefully into that dark night. I will fight, tooth and nail if needs be, to preserve the liberty with which we have been endowed. They may disarm me, but my barrel will be cherry red hot, I will be dead, and my bayonet will be coated in the blood of my enemies.

The time is coming, and is even closer than people realize, that fighting will not be a matter of choice but survival.

Indeed. Choose this day whom you will serve. I have a oath to the citizens of this country in the form of its Constitution. Among the rights to be protected is the right to be secure in one's home. When officials violate the rights of the people, the citizenry is justified in taking measures to secure their rights, including the right of revolution to the death of officials who have violated their oaths.

Any number of people in this country decry the loss of liberty and failure of the Constitution to protect them. The Constitution merely gives notice of the circumstances the citizenry may call public officials to account by force of arms, or any other means the citizens think proper.

That is what keeps government in line.

[Spikender]

I like to think of the Constitution as a roadmap to keeping the Government in check.

The citizens have not followed it and instead of ending up in Liberty City, they've ended up in Fascism Square.

Sometimes it's not the tool that has failed but the persons using it.

[Weston White]

It's easy to be brave on the internet, but I had a cop pull a gun on me in person and it's not a very comfortable feeling, especially when I'm in a state where being armed outside of your home automatically makes you a criminal. Ironically, that's the reason he pulled the gun on me, because he thought my cellphone was a gun. You need to choose your battles. I was stupid anyway because I pulled my cellphone off my belt to show him it wasn't a gun. I almost got my dumb ass killed. SO maybe my advice isn't the best.

Wow, well it sure was a good thing that the police officer was there to put you back into "check". You must have been like totally out of control before that man.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Wow, well it sure was a good thing that the police officer was there to put you back into "check". You must have been like totally out of control before that man.

Wow I'm glad you think me almost getting shot by a cop is so hilarious.

[ClydeCoulter]

Wow I'm glad you think me almost getting shot by a cop is so hilarious.

Maybe, that was a knock on your door, to be more prepared.?.?.? instead of a moment to gather more fear.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Maybe, that was a knock on your door, to be more prepared.?.?.? instead of a moment to gather more fear.

It wasn't at my home. What's the solution, carry a gun when I'm walking around in public? Are you going to be my lawyer trying to help acquit me of weapons charges in front of a drone jury? The people around us are as much of an enemy as the cops are.

[Weston White]

Wow I'm glad you think me almost getting shot by a cop is so hilarious.

Oh come on now, well are all perfectly aware that being all uppity in the presence of such law enforcement eminence is worthy of at least a good Tasering or two for contempt of cop.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Oh come on now, well are all perfectly aware that being all uppity in the presence of such law enforcement eminence is worthy of at least a good Tasering for two for contempt of cop.

I don't understand. What's the difference if a cop or a common criminal holds you to gun point? You're going to flip either of them off and tell them to eat your shorts? Please.

[Spikender]

I don't understand. What's the difference if a cop or a common criminal holds you to gun point? You're going to flip either of them off and tell them to eat your shorts? Please.

Only badasses like me can pull that off.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Only badasses like me can pull that off.

Going to get yourself shot to earn some street cred? When the officer asks you to put your hands in the air, put them in your pockets like you just don't care

[morfeeis]

Going to get yourself shot to earn some street cred? When the officer asks you to put your hands in the air, put them in your pockets like you just don't care

Change your name man......