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    Who, the FBI?
    Yeah , those pd with tax monies pd informant guys , thats them .



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    Megyn Kelly posted the same article. Who wrote it?

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    That was perhaps one the best articles I have ever read. Quickly summed up all that is wrong with present day America. Chuck Baldwin rocks!
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    I would certainly not stop, say, California, if it wanted to break away to become a Soviet style gulag.
    Hey now watch it! We are hastily working on packing all our soviet-posers to Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Explain to me, then, why the KKK is protesting it coming down.
    1. KKK is anarchist at its core. Thus they protest most everything government.
    2. KKK functions on the obfuscated teachings of history as the rest of America. Thus most truly believe that the so-called Civil War was over slavery.

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    Rather than removing the Confederate Battle Flag from service, the legislature should have opted to pass a resolution addressing the myriad of valid points within this article, while denouncing racism and slavery within the state of SC.
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    FTFY:

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    New Black Panthers vs. White Supremacists. What could possibly go wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    Megyn Kelly posted the same article. Who wrote it?
    Lol, I saw that, and I'm pretty sure that website has nothing at all to do with Megyn Kelly. Chuck Baldwin wrote the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    Yeah, the slippery slope effect is real. You were right about your predictions of what would happen. If you give the left an inch, they'll take a mile.
    you know what the southerners will do. nothing. too busy waving that bastard flag that murdered their ancestors while decrying about all those mooslim terrorists



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    Quote Originally Posted by LibForestPaul View Post
    you know what the southerners will do. nothing. too busy waving that bastard flag that murdered their ancestors while decrying about all those mooslim terrorists
    Being invaded, defeated, subjected, and reconstructed will do that to you.
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    "If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission and offer my sword to the other side"… Ulysses S. Grant

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    I've changed my mind on this issue, at least for now. Unless someone can refute what Chuck Baldwin wrote in this article.
    Last edited by Brett85; 07-11-2015 at 06:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    "If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission and offer my sword to the other side"… Ulysses S. Grant
    That's pretty damning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    I've changed my mind on this issue, at least for now. Unless someone can refute what Chuck Baldwin wrote in this article.
    The Union may not have invaded the South to end slavery, but slavery was the driving force behind the secession of the Southern States. Jefferson Davis had given speeches before the war in which he advocated secession if an abolitionist was elected President (and Lincoln was wrongfully regarded as a radical abolitionist by Southerners). Both sides were horrible and we shouldn't celebrate either (even though individuals like Lee were great men). A somewhat similar analogy I like to use is that we shouldn't celebrate Saddam Hussein while we criticize the Bush doctrine. Likewise we shouldn't celebrate the Confederacy while we criticize Lincoln.
    Stop believing stupid things

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Explain to me, then, why the KKK is protesting it coming down.
    The FBI has controlled the KKK since Hoover's time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    The Union may not have invaded the South to end slavery, but slavery was the driving force behind the secession of the Southern States. Jefferson Davis had given speeches before the war in which he advocated secession if an abolitionist was elected President (and Lincoln was wrongfully regarded as a radical abolitionist by Southerners). Both sides were horrible and we shouldn't celebrate either (even though individuals like Lee were great men). A somewhat similar analogy I like to use is that we shouldn't celebrate Saddam Hussein while we criticize the Bush doctrine. Likewise we shouldn't celebrate the Confederacy while we criticize Lincoln.
    True, that's a good point. Do you take the position that the Civil War shouldn't have been fought?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    The Union may not have invaded the South to end slavery, but slavery was the driving force behind the secession of the Southern States. Jefferson Davis had given speeches before the war in which he advocated secession if an abolitionist was elected President (and Lincoln was wrongfully regarded as a radical abolitionist by Southerners). Both sides were horrible and we shouldn't celebrate either (even though individuals like Lee were great men). A somewhat similar analogy I like to use is that we shouldn't celebrate Saddam Hussein while we criticize the Bush doctrine. Likewise we shouldn't celebrate the Confederacy while we criticize Lincoln.
    It boiled down to congressional control. If an abolitionist POTUS came to power, it would have further skewed the Northeastern control of the Congress, since he would have most likely banned slavery in the new territories. Slaves equaled more seats for southern sympathizing states (Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the U.S. Constitution), especially in the HoR.



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    The president determines congressional control?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    The president determines congressional control?
    The POTUS was the final firewall on any proposed legislation that managed to navigate through both houses of Congress. Remember that you had the Missouri Compromise which was then reversed years later by the Kansas Nebraska Act. There was a constant tug and pull over the status of the new territories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    "If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission and offer my sword to the other side"… Ulysses S. Grant
    To note, it is asserted, this quote was forged: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...BE668389669FDE

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    Next up, the Alamo will be shut down, and Davie Crockett's ancestors will give a heartfelt apology for killing Santa Anna's soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Thanks for that. I guess it's hard to know for sure what's true and what's not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    The Union may not have invaded the South to end slavery, but slavery was the driving force behind the secession of the Southern States. Jefferson Davis had given speeches before the war in which he advocated secession if an abolitionist was elected President (and Lincoln was wrongfully regarded as a radical abolitionist by Southerners). Both sides were horrible and we shouldn't celebrate either (even though individuals like Lee were great men). A somewhat similar analogy I like to use is that we shouldn't celebrate Saddam Hussein while we criticize the Bush doctrine. Likewise we shouldn't celebrate the Confederacy while we criticize Lincoln.
    Really, maintaining state sovereignty (i.e., state's rights) was the underlying motivating factor, which included the institution of slavery. (Mr. Davis performed his speeches in Mississippi in 1858, though SC was the first to secede, around two-years later.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    "If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission and offer my sword to the other side"… Ulysses S. Grant
    Just FYI: Grant himself was a slave owner. Technically, he personally owned only one slave himself (and he was manumitted by Grant in 1959). But Grant was the supervisor and effective "owner" of all the slaves his wife Julia had from her family. The Grants did not free their slaves until the latest possible day, when slavery was "officially" abolished in Missouri after the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Grant never said “If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side”. This was started by Horace Greeley in (1868 and 1872) during his run for President against Ulysses Grant and defended and proven by E. B. Washburne Representative from Illinois.

    "This quote was supposedly made to the Chicago Tribune in 1862 by Grant. Problem is that nobody has ever been able to find this quote, not even the Chicago Tribune and the quote is contrary to everything that Grant has ever stated about the slavery issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    True, that's a good point. Do you take the position that the Civil War shouldn't have been fought?
    Yes, I would have most likely been a copperhead.

    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    It boiled down to congressional control. If an abolitionist POTUS came to power, it would have further skewed the Northeastern control of the Congress, since he would have most likely banned slavery in the new territories. Slaves equaled more seats for southern sympathizing states (Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the U.S. Constitution), especially in the HoR.
    So are you admitting they seceded over slavery?
    Stop believing stupid things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tywysog Cymru View Post
    So are you admitting they seceded over slavery?
    They seceded because they refused to be milked any further by Northern industrialists, who were expanding their profits at the South's expense. Railroads and canals in the Northern part of the country were almost being exclusively funded by Southern importers. Slavery certainly played a role, but it was never the catalyzing factor. The Morrill Tariff sent the South over the proverbial edge as they wished for a permanent divorce from their Northern neighbors.
    Last edited by AuH20; 07-12-2015 at 02:35 PM.

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    Chuck Baldwin is awesome. I wish he would run again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    They seceded because they refused to be milked any further by Northern industrialists, who were expanding their profits at the South's expense. Railroads and canals in the Northern part of the country were almost being exclusively funded by Southern importers. Slavery certainly played a role, but it was never the catalyzing factor. The Morrill Tariff sent the South over the proverbial edge as they wished for a permanent divorce from their Northern neighbors.
    I guess I must be missing something, because when I read primary sources relating to secession from the union I see a lot more references to slavery than tariffs.

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    Chuck Baldwin is awesome. I wish he would run again.
    I actually do to, even though I strongly disagree with him on this issue. I agree with him on almost everything else.
    Stop believing stupid things

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