Sanders: 'We have got to apologize for slavery'

[Sola_Fide]

Never have owned a slave. I decline, $#@! you very much.

You're guilty for being white.

[juleswin]

You're guilty for being white.

We as a Nation, not we as a white person living in the 21st century whose ancestors never owned a slave. Whether you like it or not there are somethings you do as a nation e.g. going to war, trade deals, economic sanctions on foreign countries, sanctioning slavery, winning the world cup etc etc. And just like the many other instances when your "representatives" acted on your behalf without your consent, they can apologize all on their own without you lifting a finger (Assuming this is just word apology and doesn't involve some public fund exchange"

[navy-vet]

So, Bernie's position is that past slavery made African Americans stupid? Or they would have been billionaire coffee and cocoa plantation owners if they had been left alone in the jungle? I would take this as an insult were I an African American.

[juleswin]

So, Bernie's position is that past slavery made African Americans stupid?

WTF? did you even read the article? he never made such a connection. He never said African Americans were stupid. He didn't even insinuate it. He said America as a nation should apologize for the injustices of slavery, then went about to talk about how his economic policy would benefit everybody including African Americans.

Or they would have been billionaire coffee and cocoa plantation owners if they had been left alone in the jungle? I would take this as an insult were I an African American.

Coffee and cocoa plantation billionaires? jungle? I don't know what you were reading but I read that OP article a couple more time to try and figure out where you came up with the information you said in that post. I couldn't find it. I think this is just classic projection, you saying whats in your head and then claiming its someone else saying it. If I was an African American(descendant of slaves), I would be insulted by your post, the OP article was a bit condescending but your post is just insulting. Its one put down after another from you while claiming that Bernie is the one doing it.

[navy-vet]

WTF? did you even read the article? he never made such a connection. He never said African Americans were stupid. He didn't even insinuate it. He said America as a nation should apologize for the injustices of slavery, then went about to talk about how his economic policy would benefit everybody including African Americans.



Coffee and cocoa plantation billionaires? jungle? I don't know what you were reading but I read that OP article a couple more time to try and figure out where you came up with the information you said in that post. I couldn't find it. I think this is just classic projection, you saying whats in your head and then claiming its someone else saying it. If I was an African American(descendant of slaves), I would be insulted by your post, the OP article was a bit condescending but your post is just insulting. Its one put down after another from you while claiming that Bernie is the one doing it.

No, I didn't read the op, but I will, and I apologize for offending you, it wasn't my intention. I was a bit too candid and brash, but I am truly curious here. I presumed that there were injuries sustained or at least legitimately perceived by the present generations who had descended from slaves? Due to their possible forced inbreeding and their lack of opportunity once brought here. I see too that my choice of words is condescending and I apologize, but many of these unfortunate souls probably would have made fortunes that would have been passed down had they not been denied the chance. Who is to say who and who not?

What then is the purpose of continuously apologizing by someone who had nothing to do with it to someone who didn't suffer from it?

[navy-vet]

PS the condescension was not directed at the descendants, but at what I felt was Bernie Sanders motive.

[navy-vet]

PS the condescension was not directed at the descendants, but at what I felt was Bernie Sanders motive.

Ok I read it. I'm sorry that the previous generations condoned and practiced slavery and I am 110% agin it! I don't even buy Hershey products any more or coffee that may have come from slaves.
I'm just glad that my people came here after all that $#@! was well over, so that means I don't even have a dog in this race.
Pardon me as I shut up.

[Danke]

To Die in Chicago: Confederate Prisoners at Camp Douglas 1862-65



"Did Wirtz, the commandant of Andersonville prison, ever do anything as inhumanly brutal as was inflicted on Confederate prisoners in Camp Douglas?" Sgt. T. B. Clore, Camp Douglas survivor The Chicago doctors who inspected the facility in 1863 called Camp Douglas an "extermination camp." It quickly became the largest Confederate burial ground outside of the South.

What George Levy's meticulous research, including newly discovered hospital records, has uncovered is not a pretty picture. The story of Camp Douglas is one of brutal guards, deliberate starvation of prisoners, neglect of the sick, sadistic torture, murder, corruption at all levels, and a beef scandal reaching into the White House.

As a result of the overcrowding and substandard provisions, disease ran rampant and the mortality rate soared. By the thousands, prisoners needlessly died of pneumonia, smallpox, and other maladies. Most were buried in unmarked mass graves. The exact number of those who died is impossible to discern because of the Union's haphazard recordkeeping and general disregard for the deceased.

Among the most shocking revelations are such forms of torture as hanging prisoners by their thumbs, hanging them by their heels and then whipping them, and forcing prisoners to sit with their exposed buttocks in the ice and snow. Andersonville never saw such gratuitous barbarity.

In To Die in Chicago: Confederate Prisoners at Camp Douglas 1862-65, Levy's primary sources include original camp records only recently discovered after a church fire in Chicago, as well as baptismal books kept by a priest who visited the camp.

http://www.alibris.com/To-Die-in-Chi.../book/22519901


Excerpted in Google books:

https://books.google.com/books?id=0o...hicago&f=false

[Danke]

IRISH: THE FORGOTTEN WHITE SLAVES



They came as slaves: human cargo transported on British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. Some were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.

But are we talking about African slavery? King James VI and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbour.

The Irish slave trade began when James VI sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.

By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade.

Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia.

Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (£50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than £5 Sterling). If a planter whipped, branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce.

Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish mothers, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their children and would remain in servitude.

In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls (many as young as 12) with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves.

This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

There is little question the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more, in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is also little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry.

In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end its participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded this chapter of Irish misery.

But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong. Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories.

But, why is it so seldom discussed? Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims not merit more than a mention from an unknown writer?

Or is their story to be the one that their English masters intended: To completely disappear as if it never happened.

None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.

https://peoplestrusttoronto.wordpres...-white-slaves/

[Danke]

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[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Go $#@! yourself, you anti-white, anti-Western old fool.

[juleswin]

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I call your Molyneux and raise you a David Duke. A man who is far more moral, more honest, more compassionate, less hateful that that con artist Stephan.

[Liberty74]

How about Sanders apologize for the tax schemes and slavery he promotes today called Socialism that ships jobs overseas exploding the black unemployment?

Sanders wants to make America the next Greece. As all Socialists are and Sanders is no different - economic illiterate who thinks everything should be FREE.

[satchelmcqueen]

this bs again???

how about the people who sold the slaves to american buyers, apologize??

[DevilsAdvocate]

Not a single person alive today in America owned a slave. Is the son responsible for the sins of the father?

Maybe every single racial group that has ever harmed another should be forced to apologize. Romans should apologize for slavery. Christians should apologize for the Crusades. China should apologize for invading Japan 3 times

[Anti Federalist]

We?

You got a mouse in your poicket?

Any "apology" was long ago offered, any debt, paid in full, when my forefathers bled the ground red, in Lincoln's filthy war.

[Spikender]

IRISH: THE FORGOTTEN WHITE SLAVES

$#@! you, I came in here to bring this up.

Also double $#@! you because you did it way better than I would have.

+Rep from an Irish dude.

[Danke]

$#@! you, I came in here to bring this up.

Also double $#@! you because you did it way better than I would have.

+Rep from an Irish dude.

I knew you did, but I thought you didn't want to offend Juleswin, whereas I don't give a $#@!. Sorry, I'll be more patient next time. And I'm a "Yankee."

[69360]

Interesting, I've never seen white guilt so plainly used as a campaign platform before. It was always thinly veiled. At least Sanders is honest, you have to give him that.