California's 'Corporate Fascist' Vaccine Law

[jct74]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSzQUYa-ybA

California governor Jerry Brown signed into law one of the most restrictive mandatory vaccine laws in the country. It is nearly impossible to opt-out. Comedian Jim Carrey called the new law "corporate fascism." Why is the government playing doctor with us and what does it mean for our liberties?

[DevilsAdvocate]

How many vaccines are they mandating? I heard it was over 60 different shots, all before the age of 5.

When children are young, and being coddled and protected all the time at their mothers bosom, the chance they are going to get one of these extremely rare diseases like Smallpox is lower than the chance they'll get hit by lighting. It makes more sense to wait on the vaccinations until they are a little older, and have a more firmly developed body and mental structure, so that any detrimental impact the vaccine could have would be minimized. Once they start growing up and coming into contact with lots of people, it makes more sense to get them vaccinated.

Do you actually think all of the vaccine ingredients (which include tons of preservatives and other stuff besides the vaccine itself) have been control group tested for every single possible impact they could have on a developing body? Considering how vastly complex our bodies are, it would be almost impossible to do this. Not only that, but different fractional subgroups of the population can be adversely affected, even if the majority isn't. Have we really done testing on all the different racial groups for every single ingredient and combination of ingredients between the 60+ vaccines we're pumping into our kids?

What if we discover 30 years from now that one of these ingredients is actually extremely harmful? Remember how long it took them to figure this out with smoking, and radiation which for years our government assured us were perfectly safe. Will you still feel good about forcibly injecting babies and young kids?

[donnay]

How many vaccines are they mandating? I heard it was over 60 different shots, all before the age of 5.

When children are young, and being coddled and protected all the time at their mothers bosom, the chance they are going to get one of these extremely rare diseases like Smallpox is lower than the chance they'll get hit by lighting. It makes more sense to wait on the vaccinations until they are a little older, and have a more firmly developed body and mental structure, so that any detrimental impact the vaccine could have would be minimized. Once they start growing up and coming into contact with lots of people, it makes more sense to get them vaccinated.

Do you actually think all of the vaccine ingredients (which include tons of preservatives and other stuff besides the vaccine itself) have been control group tested for every single possible impact they could have on a developing body? Considering how vastly complex our bodies are, it would be almost impossible to do this. Not only that, but different fractional subgroups of the population can be adversely affected, even if the majority isn't. Have we really done testing on all the different racial groups for every single ingredient and combination of ingredients between the 60+ vaccines we're pumping into our kids?

What if we discover 30 years from now that one of these ingredients is actually extremely harmful? Remember how long it took them to figure this out with smoking, and radiation which for years our government assured us were perfectly safe. Will you still feel good about forcibly injecting babies and young kids?

Bottom line is-- They don't care...Big pHARMa has paid them handsomely to pull this off. You WILL comply or else.

Pharma-connected vaccine pushers chemically abuse children in push for medical tyranny
http://www.naturalnews.com/048701_ma...ropaganda.html

[Suzanimal]

Drug companies donated millions to California lawmakers before vaccine debate

A subplot to the vociferous debate over the student vaccination bill moving through California’s Capitol is opponents’ allegations that the effort reflects the influence of the pharmaceutical industry.

Critics of Senate Bill 277, which would eliminate the personal belief and religious exemptions for schoolchildren, accuse the measure’s supporters in the Legislature of doing the bidding of donors who make vaccines and other pharmaceuticals.

The bill’s proponents and drug companies dismiss the charge. The companies’ lobbyist filings for the first quarter of this year as well as legislative committee reports show no connection between the pharmaceutical industry and SB 277.

“We aren’t pushing this bill behind the scenes,” said Priscilla VanderVeer, the senior director for communications for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, known as PhRMA, the industry’s main trade group. The group has no taken no position on SB 277, although the group has long backed vaccinations as sound public health policy, she said.

Other legislation has a more direct bearing on the industry, and it is an active political player. Pharmaceutical companies and their trade groups gave more than $2 million to current members of the Legislature in 2013-2014, about 2 percent of the total raised, records show. Nine of the top 20 recipients are either legislative leaders or serve on either the Assembly or Senate health committees. Receiving more than $95,000, the top recipient of industry campaign cash is Sen. Richard Pan, a Sacramento Democrat and doctor who is carrying the vaccine bill.

In addition, the industry donated more than $500,000 to outside campaign spending groups that helped elect some current members last year.

Leading pharmaceutical companies also spent nearly $3 million more during the 2013-2014 legislative session lobbying the Legislature, the governor, the state pharmacists’ board and other agencies, according to state filings.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-...#storylink=cpy

[phill4paul]

The best politicians money can buy.

[angelatc]

State's rights. Vote with your feet.

[angelatc]

When children are young, and being coddled and protected all the time at their mothers bosom, the chance they are going to get one of these extremely rare diseases like Smallpox is lower than the chance they'll get hit by lighting.

Chortling ....

We should start an "anti-vaxxer quote of the week" thread.

[mello]

A victim of the 1881 NYC smallpox epidemic:



I wouldn't wish this on any child. The reality is that there are some school districts in California with immunization rates in the 60-70% range which is friggin' horrifying. Especially when you need to be at 90% range for herd immunity to kick in.

I'm in the mindset that if a parent that wants their child exempted due to their religious beliefs has to do a Google image search for, "Small Pox" before their request would even be considered.

[DamianTV]

Why not just cut the horse$#@! and Mandate Autism?

[Gaddafi Duck]

I'm in the camp that we are over-immunized, but immunizations do work---some more than others. Flu shots? Don't need them. MMR? Probably a good idea. Ebola? Optional--very rare disease, and a regional issue--essentially non-existent in the Americas apart from the recent importation of patients from abroad.

While sanitation and hygiene improvements (plus lack of horse/human manure in the streets) have spared us from urban plagues, washing your hands, using modern plumbing, etc., won't spare you from Measles, or Smallpox, etc. etc.

I'm totally against mandated vaccination, but you've gotta be kidding me on doubting how large of a breakthrough vaccines are to modern medicine. Smallpox is EXTINCT! It used to affect MILLIONS of people around the world! It didn't vanish due to Dawn dish soap, or modern toilets.

Bottom line--what do you do if you get exposed to rabies? What do you do if you get exposed to tetanus? This Disneyland measles epidemic---most of the people infected WERE NOT immunized in the first place, meaning there were FAR MORE people exposed to the measles virus who were already immunized, but they DIDN'T come down with measles. I make that assumption because most people are vaccinated against measles, so if you're in Disneyland walking around and you have measles, you're coming in contact with more vaccinated people vs. unvaccinated. So if most of the people who came down with measles were unvaccinated, then that means vaccines worked pretty well--because dozens/hundreds more people were exposed, but vaccines protected all but around the handful who came down with measles---what was it, like 3 people? Vaccines don't claim to be 100% effective---but rather above 90%. I'd say statistically, the recent measles outbreak is pretty consistent on the side of how effective the MMR shot is given how many people who actually came down with measles.

[Created4]

A Measles Death, Vaccines, and the Media’s Failure to Inform

by Jeremy R. Hammond
Foreign Policy Journal

Last week, it was widely reported in the mainstream media that the autopsy of a woman who died of pneumonia earlier this year in the state of Washington found that she had been infected with measles, making this the first confirmed case of measles-related death in the US since 2003. Playing its usual role, the mainstream media is up in arms, blaming the death on parents who choose not to vaccinate their children and telling parents that to not vaccinate is irresponsible. Rather than journalists doing their job by asking hard questions about public policy and seeking out the answers, they choose to act as nothing more than a mouthpiece for government health departments and dutifully tow the official line on vaccine policy.

The woman who died was not among the unvaccinated. On the contrary, she not only had been vaccinated, but reportedly was tested and found to have a protective antibody titer. She nevertheless became infected with measles while seeking medical attention in a clinic. She died from pneumonia, which can be caused by any number of other bacterial or viral infections besides measles, including the common cold and flu. The reason her immune system couldn’t handle the infection was because doctors had her on immunosuppressive drugs. Hence, medical intervention was a contributing factor in her death.

The media, as ever, is pushing the theory of herd immunity to encourage vaccination. Everyone needs to be vaccinated to protect infants and the immunocompromised, we are being told. The argument implies that the individual from whom the deceased caught the measles was unvaccinated, but that is pure speculation; for all we know, the person she contracted the measles virus from had been vaccinated, too.

It is quite possible for fully vaccinated individuals to get measles. It is well understood that some people just don’t respond to the vaccine as intended; their immune systems do not produce a great enough amount of antibodies to be considered protective. This is true of about 5 percent of the population, and it’s the reason a second dose, or “booster” shot, is recommended. That second shot is likely unnecessary for most children who did respond to the first, yet it’s given routinely to everyone anyway, even though the purpose is to target the few non-responders. Even after a second dose, however, 3 percent or so of the population still won’t respond.

Moreover, the vaccine-induced immunity, unlike the more robust immunity gained from natural infection, wanes over time. In fact, the CDC considers birth before 1957 to be “evidence of immunity” to measles for the simple reason that pretty much everyone back then was infected with it as a child and gained lifelong immunity as a result.

Also, the measles vaccine is a live-virus vaccine, and individuals can potentially get the disease from the vaccine as well as shed the virus. Vaccine-strain attenuated live viruses can replicate and revert back into virulent form (which is why they don’t vaccinate immunocompromised individuals) or recombine with other viruses to create novel virulent strains. This means that individuals who have received a live-virus vaccine can potentially catch the disease, as well as transmit the virus to others. This is why the live oral poliovirus vaccine was withdrawn from the market in the US, for example; every single domestic case of polio since 1979 was caused by the vaccine.

The theory of vaccine-induced herd immunity also overlooks natural herd immunity. Measles is a particularly useful example to illustrate the concept. This is what the measles mortality rate looked like before the introduction of the vaccine:



The vaccine was introduced in 1963, after the latest year shown in the above graph from the US Department of Health. Note that the above graph shows deaths from measles, not incidence of measles, which remained high until the introduction of the vaccine...

In fact, as already noted, it used to be that nearly everyone was exposed to the virus, usually in childhood, and gained lifelong immunity as a result. The virus was still around, but it was becoming less deadly to the US population due to an improving standard of living, better sanitation and hygiene, better nutrition (e.g., vitamin A is important for reducing measles mortality and decreasing morbidity), advances in health care, and so on.

What the declining mortality rate indicates is that the US population was developing natural herd immunity. We were learning to live in symbiosis with the virus, natural exposure to which not only confers permanent immunity to measles itself, but may help prime the immune system of children to protect against other diseases, as well.

But then along came the vaccine and destroyed that natural herd immunity.

While parents today are trained to have a hysterical fear of measles, back in the 1960s, when the vaccine was introduced, it was recognized as a generally mild disease with infrequent complications. In fact, in the era before the vaccine was introduced, it was accepted doctrine that the population would adapt to live in symbiosis with the virus—a respect for the balance of nature that was quickly discarded with the development of the vaccine.

Read the Full Article.

Jeremy R. Hammond is an independent political analyst and a recipient of the Project Censored Award for Outstanding Investigative Journalism. He is the founding editor of Foreign Policy Journal and the author of Ron Paul vs. Paul Krugman: Austrian vs. Keynesian economics in the financial crisis and The Rejection of Palestinian Self-Determination: The Struggle for Palestine and the Roots of the Israeli-Arab Conflict. His forthcoming book is Obstacle to Peace: The US Role in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. He blogs at JeremyRHammond.com.

[donnay]

State's rights. Vote with your feet.

LOL! Yeah riiiiiiight.

Big pHARMa has more money than the average citizen to bribe the politicians. It's medical tyranny any way you slice it.

[angelatc]

LOL! Yeah riiiiiiight.

Big pHARMa has more money than the average citizen to bribe the politicians. It's medical tyranny any way you slice it.

Yea, millions of Mexicans can move thousands of miles to a nation where they don't speak the language and still find work, but a handful of scientifically retarded nutjobs can't bring themselves to cross a border into Nevada to save themselves from the medical tyranny because "big pHarma haz the evil protifz!"

*snicker*

Nevada should be grateful, i guess.

[The Free Hornet]

I'm totally against mandated vaccination, but you've gotta be kidding me on doubting how large of a breakthrough vaccines are to modern medicine. Smallpox is EXTINCT! It used to affect MILLIONS of people around the world! It didn't vanish due to Dawn dish soap, or modern toilets.

How well can you support the assertion in bold for a range of diseases? Viruses are subject to evolutionary pressure just like anything else. Take my favorite fish to ever swim the oceans: MEGALODON.

No matter how awesome and devestating and totally badass that fish was, it likely was subject to the evolutionary pressure of more evasive prey or more nimble competitors for that prey. It only takes a small decrease in effectiveness - say 1% or less - and a species can go bye-bye quite rapidly.

It would not be surprising if plumbing and hygiene ALONE have virtually eliminated a great many diseases. There is also the value of knowledge, knowing that someone or some region has X disease means more people avoid exposure. Yeah it still sucks for those people, but it also sucks for whatever virus is hitching a ride on them.


ADDED: You could give me the ebola/hiv/smallpox vaccine or whatever and I would still stay the hell away from whoever has those diseases if possible. Some people, I'm not so sure if they would (aside from health/aid workers where it may be in the job description). And I would wash my hands and flush the poopies (no composting toilet at my domicile).

[angelatc]

It would not be surprising if plumbing and hygiene ALONE have virtually eliminated a great many diseases.

Yeah, but they didn't. ANd the cost of that infrastructure is astronomical as well as periennial, where a vaccine that costs 50 cents per head could wipe out a disease (measles) in a single generation.

And as to your rep comment, states do indeed have rights. It's right there in the Constitution. Perhaps you have mistaken me for an anarchist. I am not. I think the government of California is wrong to do this, but I also believe they have the right to do this.

[The Free Hornet]

And as to your [positive] rep comment, states do indeed have rights. It's right there in the Constitution.

I'm not a constitutionalist however much it might be an improvement over our present variant of statists. Also, legal rights (as opposed to natural rights, the foundation of liberty) are not a justification for behavior any more than the first amendment is a justification for any bull$#@! spouted here. Words ought to stand on their own, not somebody's right to speech.

The ability to do something doesn't fully justify the action itself.

Perhaps you have mistaken me for an anarchist.

There is near zero chance of that happening. Your statist rep is firm.

[timosman]

Yea, millions of Mexicans can move thousands of miles to a nation where they don't speak the language and still find work, but a handful of scientifically retarded nutjobs can't bring themselves to cross a border into Nevada to save themselves from the medical tyranny because "big pHarma haz the evil protifz!"

*snicker*

Nevada should be grateful, i guess.

typing from mom's basement ...

[Leaning Libertarian]

When the autism rates nationally were 1 in 10 thousand, the pharmaceutical industry didn't have to prove or justify much. Now it is 1 in 50, with 1 in 6 students having some form of learning disability. They have conceded Hannah Poling and Bailey Banks' autism were a direct result of vaccines. Merck is currently facing fraud charges in court. Dr. William Thompson has now turned CDC whistleblower claiming intentional fraud in data. Former director of CDC is now Director of Merck vaccine division. Eventually, and hopefully soon, this will all come to a head. The author of this bill, signed into law, is facing a recall petition from his own Democrat constituents who voted him into office, over this bill.

All vaccination decisions, like decisions about all invasive medical procedures, carry the risk of severe injury or death. Congress acknowledged this risk in its 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to 300aa-34, where they referred to vaccines as "...unavoidably unsafe." I am not sure exactly how the legislature is intent to enforce this law; however, I am sure it will be challenged vehemently. (from what I have seen by living here in CA, it might be enough to turn the State Red instead of Blue.) When this bill was in the State Assembly, there was over 6 1/2 hours of testimony against it being passed, with literally hundreds turned away, unable to speak. There was less than 30 minutes of speakers supporting this bill. Then it summarily passed by the corporate owned prostitutes holding elected positions in this state. No wonder they come into office thousand-aires and leave millionaires.

Now the law is so bizarre, a child diagnosed with hepatitis is allowed to go to school, protected under section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973; but a perfectly healthy child without a hepatitis vaccine cannot. People that claim this has nothing to do with corporate money and it is about public health, are either paid to express this claim or are pretty daft.