The Fed of the NSA? Which is more difficult to challenge?
I don't know. But I do know this. If the NSA could not exist, or even if it could not be the size it is, if it weren't for the Fed, then I'd prefer (presuming the odds being equal of success) to take down the Fed. Because the NSA is not the only evil it is enabling.
Originally Posted by Swordsmyth
FED. FED has no competition while NSA is engaged in power struggle with other spook agencies.
The Fed.
The Fed is what makes things like the NSA possible (along with all the other appurtenances of the welfare-warfare state).
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I do not think NSA needs the FED. Their budget is a chump change compared to the FED assets. There might be a link but it is tenuous at best.
A better question would be FED vs MIC.
And exactly the same thing could be said about any one organization or agency. No single one of them, taken by itself, "needs" the Fed.
But without the Fed (or something like it), a lot of hard decisions would have to be made about whether to keep this, that or the other agency or program around - and even the ones that were kept would have significantly less wherewithal at their disposal. That is why I said, "The Fed is what makes things like the NSA possible (along with all the other appurtenances of the welfare-warfare state)." This is why the Fed is the bigger problem. It is one of the foundation stones that those other things have been erected upon.
The answer would still be the Fed - for exactly the same reason. (And AFAIAC, the MIC includes the NSA.)
Both are just as bad.
I don't know but probably they are intertwined
Why do it matter?
SCREW TYRANNY!
Without the FED the rest could not exist, except under circumstances where a power central bank has it's tentacles in your enemy. I.E. A powerful central bank is not a symptom but rather the disease.
“[T]he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” (Heller, 554 U.S., at ___, 128 S.Ct., at 2822.)
How long before "going liberal" replaces "going postal"?
follow the money to tyranny and it will take you the effin Federal Reserve...
fact.
Whose face is that next to Billy Kristol?
I kept misreading the title and thought it said Which is the bigger tranny?.
My answers are the Fed and RuPaul.
tyranny and Ron Paul?....wait....oh...the tranny. You mean tranny, not tyranny right?I kept misreading the title and thought it said Which is the bigger tranny?.
My answers are the Fed and RuPaul.
more bloody m's...i'm not thinking clearly yet.
I dunno. Now you have me confused.
i hear that a lot...I dunno. Now you have me confused.
Feds, of course. They created the NSA and pay their salaries.
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Last edited by timosman; 07-08-2015 at 08:17 PM.
What Tulsa and Banana said. Fed makes it all possible.
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Peace.
NSA would exist even without the FED. The government would appropriate money for them hell or high water.
Without that which the Fed provides, NSA does not function.
You should be able to take it from there.
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It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
And in order to do that without (something like) the Fed, they'd have to withhold equivalent appropriations from some other department or program.
But with the Fed, they don't have that problem - they can fund all and sundry. That is why the Fed is the bigger problem.
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