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    Proposed regulation could keep 3D-printed gun blueprints offline for good

    Those handy digital blueprints that enable anyone to 3D print gun parts or even a weapon from scratch could be under threat thanks to a new proposal from the State Department.

    A notice posted on June 3rd in a recent Federal Register show that some changes are being made to the International Traffic in Arms (ITAR) regulations. Hidden within the proposal, which restricts what gear, technology, and info can and cannot be exported out of the US, is a ban on posting schematics for 3D printed gun parts online. The ruling comes just a month after Cody Wilson and, his group Defense Distributed filed a lawsuit against the federal government for forcing them to remove blueprints of the “Liberator” 3D-printed gun of off their website. Wilson described the move as a violation of First Amendment Rights and believes that the new mandate is a direct response to his lawsuit.

    “This is a direct action on behalf of the Obama administration to control public speech about guns on the Internet,” Wilson told FoxNews.com. “They cynically redefine any posting of any technical data to be an ‘export,’ and thereby claim that it isn't speech. It's surreal and they're getting away with it.”

    In the public notice, the State Department revises the definition of export in an attempt to “remove activities associated with a defense article’s further movement or release outside the United States.”

    Included in the new provision is “technical data” posted on the Internet.

    “By putting up a digital file, that constitutes an export of the data,” a senior State Department official told FoxNews.com. “If it’s an executable digital file, any foreign interests can get a hold of it.

    “These proposed definition changes are part of our broader effort to streamline and modernize a Cold War era regulatory system to better safeguard against illicit attempts to procure sensitive U.S. defense technologies under Export Control Reform.”

    The official added that the proposed definition changes have been in the works for several years, ever since President Obama announced his Export Control Initiative in 2009 and that these changes in definition seek to account for technologies not foreseen - like 3D-printing -- when these regulations were initially developed.

    However, Wilson says that it’s a back door way to ramp up gun control stateside.

    “It's speech control to regulate the gun culture,” he told FoxNews.com. “It's not coming, like some are suggesting. It is here and I've been threatened with it and complete ruin for over two years.”

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    http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/07/...tcmp=obnetwork
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    LOL good luck with that whole Streisand Effect thing.

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    Sounds like a task for an off shore or an overseas web site.

    Is Snowden currently working on anything new?

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    Earlier this week I wrote about a group of 15 Republican congressmen co-signing an amicus brief in support of the creator of the 3D printed LIberator handgun, Cody Wilson, and his lawsuit against the State Department. After publishing the 3D printing files for his one-shot handgun online, Wilson was ordered to remove them by the State Department because according to them he was violating an act that regulated the distribution of weapons and information to international sources.

    Because his case involves firearms, it’s only natural that a handful of conservative lawmakers, gun advocacy groups, and conservative think tanks would back Wilson. But perhaps the most important backer of his lawsuit is the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a relatively apolitical free speech advocacy group that focuses on digital rights and how they apply to civil liberties in the US.

    Like the group of Congressmen, the EFF recently filed an amicus brief with the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals on behalf of Cody Wilson and Defense Distributed. While many of Wilson’s advocates are focusing on what they believe to be a violation of his Second Amendment rights, an argument that I believe has little merit, the EFF is backing him based on the State Department violating his First Amendment rights–an argument that I believe has far more merit.

    While the EFF isn’t a very popular organization with the government, they are quite popular among activists and they could generate a lot of support for Wilson that he may not have received otherwise. And while lawmakers won’t have as much luck swaying the courts as they hope they might, public support could embolden Congress to respond legislatively depending on the outcome.

    From the EFF’s amicus brief:
    “The First Amendment does not permit the government to presumptively criminalize online speech on a certain topic, and then decide on a case-by-case basis which speech to license, without any binding standards, fixed deadlines, or judicial review. Yet that is the regime advanced by the government in this case, criminalizing Americans who use the Internet to publish lawfully-obtained, nonclassified technical information relating to firearms and other technologies with military applications. The licensing regime at issue in this case is a prior restraint that lacks the procedural safeguards required by the First Amendment to prevent discriminatory censorship decisions.”

    When the State Department cited International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) as the reason Wilson needed to remove the Liberator files from the Internet, they essentially deemed that Wilson was exporting weapons overseas; however, the Supreme Court has already ruled that free speech can only be restrained by national security concerns, and only when absolutely necessary in order to prevent proven, immediate threats. But even under the most basic of scrutiny, 3D printable files of a one shot, plastic handgun hardly seems to be much of a national security threat. It seems that the State Department clearly overstepped their bounds and needlessly broadened the reach of the ITAR to suit their agenda without demonstrating the need to do so.

    The EFF continues:
    “The regulation impermissibly sacrifices speech for the convenience of the government, broadly criminalizing speech and putting the onus on speakers to seek leave to publish. The Department of Justice warned the administrators of ITAR over thirty years ago that the First Amendment would not allow such a prepublication review regime. Yet, rather than developing appropriately tailored regulations, the government has revived the overbroad scheme of prior restraint it once disavowed. The government will be unable to establish that this scheme is consistent with the First Amendment.”

    At its core the issue here between Wilson and the State Department is strikingly similar to one of the EFF’s earliest victories, the case of Bernstein v. US Department of State. The Bernstein case centered around the sharing of open source encryption software that was made freely available online. When Bernstein, a Berkeley college student, designed encryption software that he called Snuffle, intending both to release it and publish a paper about its development, the government attempted to prevent him from doing so by requiring that he submit his ideas to them for review.

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    http://3dprint.com/112346/eff-3d-printed-gun-case/
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    Lol. I don't know if they understand how the Internet works.
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    Can you buy the 3D printed gun blueprints on Amazon? LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Lol. I don't know if they understand how the Internet works.
    They know how scare tactics work. That's really all they care about. They can make a few high profile arrests of someone "illegally" uploading/downloading 3D gun files and a large part of the population of people that might otherwise try this will be scared into submission. So what if someone who really has malintent does it? Such a person can get a real gun anyway.

    Edit: More importantly they want to shut down open source gun design before the genie gets out of the bottle. What's been designed and tested so far is barely functional crap and everybody knows that. But given enough time and freedom......
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    They know how scare tactics work. That's really all they care about. They can make a few high profile arrests of someone "illegally" uploading/downloading 3D gun files and a large part of the population of people that might otherwise try this will be scared into submission. So what if someone who really has malintent does it? Such a person can get a real gun anyway.

    Edit: More importantly they want to shut down open source gun design before the genie gets out of the bottle. What's been designed and tested so far is barely functional crap and everybody knows that. But given enough time and freedom......
    And materials science. As the actual materials get better the designs can become more efficient.



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    The uploading isn't the promlem, you could always find a way to do that anonymously.

    They will ban the downloads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    The uploading isn't the promlem, you could always find a way to do that anonymously.

    They will ban the downloads.
    That's worked so well with bit torrents.

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    Crazy!! What about 2d drawings? Are they going to prevent them? You can easily generate a 3d part from 2d drawings. This will make every blueprint of every gun illegal! Stupid is a stupid does...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    This will make every blueprint of every gun illegal!
    Glad someone else caught this... if this passed then every manufacturer would pull their schematics down overnight. I don't even think you'd be able to find exploded views.
    I don't think I've ever bought a used gun and not looked up something about it, and it would all be gone.
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    So posting this picture could soon become illegal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    So posting this picture could soon become illegal?
    No, you'd need dimensions of the pop-tart or instructions on how to bite it into that shape.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    No, you'd need dimensions of the pop-tart or instructions on how to bite it into that shape.
    Well, some folks can't seem to tell the difference between that and the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Well, some folks can't seem to tell the difference between that and the other ones.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post


    A US State Department investigation is underway. The President blamed man-made global warming during a press conference from the 14th hole of an exclusive country club in Hawaii, and Supreme Court Justice John Roberts has hinted that he may be prepared to issue a ruling that bans clouds, or at least forces people to pay a penalty for clouds.
    Well, at least it's not against the law to look at them yet.

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    Boogity $#@!ing Boogity

    not the onion

    Anarchist 3D-printed weapons fanatic Cody Wilson is one of the '15 most dangerous men in the world'

    American magazine Wired has put him on a list with Qasem Soleimani, Bashar al-Assad and Mexican drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman

    Ruthless Cody Wilson could put the lives of hundreds of innocent Brits at risk by handing terrorists the ability to build 3D-printed weapons that cost just £100.

    And American magazine Wired has named the anarchist firearms fanatic as one of the most dangerous people in the world.

    The technology monthly put him at number 14 on a list of 15 headed by Qasem Soleimani, leader of Iran’s Quds special forces, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and Mexican drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman.

    The magazine also named him fifth most dangerous person on the internet, one place behind North Korean despot Kim Jong-Un.

    Wilson’s goal is to let anyone create a lethal plastic weapon with just a click anywhere in the world.

    He has boasted that the code for printing his plastic weapons may be available within weeks.

    While security services battle to prevent such an atrocity, Texan Wilson said he was “not really” *bothered if the weapons, which cannot be picked up by airport scanners, fell into the hands of terrorist gangs .

    The anarchist law student has already developed a Liberator pistol online along with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.

    He campaigns on the right to bear arms, quotes radical libertarian political thinkers and is against any form of state control.

    Wilson believes his weapon designs will be a mechanism for radical redistribution of power.

    He manufactured and sold the Ghost Gunner 3D printer which created metal components of the AR-15 and made a video to publicise it.

    The AR-15 he built has the same capability as the real thing which fires up to 120 rounds a minute and has a range of around 550 yards.

    His plastic machine gun will be even more lethal than his earlier weapons.

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    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...anatic-7239138
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    How has the war on internet piracy gone for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    So posting this picture could soon become illegal?
    Oh great... a Glock Pop-Tart.
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    I understand that the files to print this 9mm pistol are on bittorrent. I'm going to have to find them and try to print one...

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    I'm going to have to find them and try to print one...
    I don't really need another gun, bu I've been seriously considering getting a "ghost gunner" and looking into ak47 "build parties" in my area.

    https://ghostgunner.net/
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...building-party

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    3-D printed gun plans downloaded by thousands of Australians says Cody Wilson

    Thousands of Australians have downloaded instructions on how to make a 3D printed gun from an American website called Defense Distributed, according to its managing director Cody Wilson.

    Mr Wilson, 29, is an anarchist once named one of the most dangerous men in the world because of his attempts to disseminate information showing how to make a printable and untraceable gun.

    NSW is the only state in Australia where it is an offence – punishable by 14 years imprisonment – to possess a digital blueprint to make a 3D gun. The 2015 legislation bans storage in the cloud, on a computer, mobile phone or storage device, within or outside NSW.

    Last week 27-year-old Sicen Sun, a gaming enthusiast, was the first person to be charged under this legislation after he allegedly attempted to sell an imitation 3D printed Glock pistol for $1 million. Police allege they found a range of imitation weapons in his Waverley unit.

    ...

    When asked about the weapons allegedly made by Mr Sun, Mr Wilson said via email that the "components could not have possibly been useful for building working weapons". He said they were made from blueprints provided by one of the many other sites across the world.

    While convincing imitations, it is understood that Mr Sun's alleged weapons were unable to be fired.

    But Detective Superintendent Michael Plotecki, the firearms squad commander with the NSW state crime command, said imitation guns could be used to threaten or intimidate someone. He said state and federal police were working together to tackle the problem of downloaded blueprints.

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    http://www.smh.com.au/national/thous...02-gupd5w.html
    Last edited by Suzanimal; 03-04-2017 at 05:43 PM. Reason: Are toy guns illegal, too?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
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