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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Approved? Where did God "approve" polygamy or command it? I asked you this question in another thread and you never answered me.
    Hey, I seldom go back through threads, so I miss responses sometimes.

    Look at Jacobs 13 children to two wives and two handmaidens. The fertility is specifically listed as being activated by God. I don't know of a more specific blessing of a marriage than God miraculously opening wombs. Getting your womb blessed by God in scripture is not exactly disapproval. Would have been perfectly fair for Rachel to have never had children, being the second wife.

    There a tonne more, but I haven't found any prophet giving anyone $#@! about it except for Bathsheba, and that was for murder.

    Its not commanded. Even marriage isn't commanded. Marriage is for the weak willed.


    Hell, according to tradition Eve was Adams *third* wife. That gets left out of the protestant canon though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Let your daughter? is this daughter you talk of a minor or an adult? If shes a minor, I wouldn't let her marry anything. But as an adult I would try to dissuade her from marrying a midget, a poor person, an illiterate, a smoker, a weed user and the list goes on. You get the point but I wouldn't disown her and desire that it be illegal to marry those people.
    A midget?


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    a midget, a poor person, an illiterate, a smoker, a weed user and the list goes on
    I am several of those things

    Ain't never stopped anyone's daughter from climbing out a window though

    The more you lock em up, the more likely they are to post extremely deviant requests on Craigslist.

    I went to a private Christian school where a class of almost all girls got pregnant to the one, out of wedlock, the year after they graduated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    I am several of those things

    Ain't never stopped anyone's daughter from climbing out a window though

    The more you lock em up, the more likely they are to post extremely deviant requests on Craigslist.

    I went to a private Christian school where a class of almost all girls got pregnant to the one, out of wedlock, the year after they graduated.
    Isn't it lovely what your socialist utopia has brought?
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  8. #66
    You can choose to weep over it, or be parked outside the windows and enjoy the fruits.
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    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
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    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    You can choose to weep over it, or be parked outside the windows and enjoy the fruits.
    I'm all for riding the tiger of modernity, but if you impregnate girls who won't get abortions, then don't raise the kid, you're just a degenerate.
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  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Incest, pedophilia, and animal relations are next. State sanctioned perversion will be the norm. This is how government destroys the morality of a people.
    Pretty sure those 3 types of relations you mentioned do not involve consent. Next.

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  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    I am several of those things

    Ain't never stopped anyone's daughter from climbing out a window though

    The more you lock em up, the more likely they are to post extremely deviant requests on Craigslist.

    I went to a private Christian school where a class of almost all girls got pregnant to the one, out of wedlock, the year after they graduated.
    Are you also obese? cos I forgot to put that one in. I would want the best for my daughter and someone just loving her is not enough. You should be able to take care of her and your self before you get my approval.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post
    When someone supports getting the Government OUT of our personal lives... yet fears a polygamist or gay couple getting married... I am left a little befuddled.
    I do not morally support polygamy and I find homosexuality... well, icky. But, my morality and my "tastes" should not be made the law of the land in a free society, should it?

    Let the guy have 2 wives. Hell, let him have 14 of em if they are willing brides of consenting age. Just don't come to me with your hand out asking for food stamps when you can't afford the family you chose. And be sure to find a Church or whatever you dig to marry you.

    Just as I don't want impose myself into your beliefs, I expect you to return the favor and not force me into yours. So, if my church turns you away... deal with it, find one that accepts it, and enjoy the harem, dude.

    Simple enough for me. Then again, I'm a simple guy.
    So any sexual activity should be allowed in society? I always ask about pedophilia, everyone always immediately says "NO!" but then they will never answer what exactly is pedophilia? Oh sure, they give a definition "An adult having sex with a child" but what is an adult and what is a child? Ages of consent around world go from 12-22, so who is right? If you set an age what do you say to people who claim your age is either too high or too low?

    We don't allow incest, beastiality, etc. Let's stop this self-righteous nonsense that we don't impose sexual morals on society, we all do it, you are just attacking people who draw their line in a different place than you, but you do have a line and don't have an issue with it being law.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIU Students for Liberty View Post
    Pretty sure those 3 types of relations you mentioned do not involve consent. Next.
    How is there lack of consent in incest? Must an animal consent? Do they consent to being killed and eaten, locked in cages? Define pedophilia for me, and give me your reply to those who disagree with the age you set.
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  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by HankRicther12 View Post
    How is there lack of consent in incest? Must an animal consent? Do they consent to being killed and eaten, locked in cages? Define pedophilia for me, and give me your reply to those who disagree with the age you set.

    Ok, ok.... Here is how it works. We have a system of beliefs which conveniently covers some of the ugly realities we have to deal with as species. If you drill down deep enough you will always encounter BS and raw survival instincts. The goal in life is to keep your nose high enough for the stench of BS to not affect you too much. This way you can act surprised when somebody points out how much BS is there. What was your other question ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Ok, ok.... Here is how it works. We have a system of beliefs which conveniently covers some of the ugly realities we have to deal with as species. If you drill down deep enough you will always encounter BS and raw survival instincts. The goal in life is to keep your nose high enough for the stench of BS to not affect you too much. This way you can act surprised when somebody points out how much BS is there. What was your other question ?
    Come again?
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  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Good for him. If someone wants 50 wives, who's to stop them?
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  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    How about if you knew the two women in family A were bisexual?
    Or Family A were a woman and two men?
    Good question.

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  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post

    Nathan Collier and his wives Victoria and Christine
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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Good for him. If someone wants 50 wives, who's to stop them?
    "Collier, 46, said that dissent inspired him. He owns a refrigeration business in Billings and married Victoria, 40, in 2000."

    Did anyone tell HVACTech about this development?
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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Hero status requires some great achievement.. his seems like just extraordinary achievement.

    What is his achievement ? Ménage à trois ?

  23. #80
    keeping more than woman happy isn't hard, just expensive.

    Keeping a harem is normal most everywhere for those who can afford it.

    Marriage of 1 man and 1 woman is part of the fabric of society, not in that it is god ordained, but in that it supposedly frees up economic activity with poor men able to have a wife if they just keep doing their working class job day in and day out. Stability and fewer revolutions n all that.
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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Incest, pedophilia, and animal relations are next. State sanctioned perversion will be the norm. This is how government destroys the morality of a people.
    Those can't sign a contract so shouldn't be a problem. Get government out of marriage and allow it to be contract law.
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    Polygamist family denied marriage license by Yellowstone County

    BILLINGS -



    A Billings-area family looking to have its polygamous marriage legalized have hit a roadblock on their road to the altar.
    On Tuesday, the Yellowstone County Attorney's Office sent a letter to the Collier family formally denying their request for a marriage license.


    On July 1, Nathan Collier and one of his partners, Christine Collier, were looking for legal legitimacy in their relationship. They went to the Yellowstone County Courthouse to request a marriage license. Collier is ultimately seeking two separate marriage licenses.

    "I have a marriage with my wife Vicki, I seek a marriage with Christine," said Nathan. "That's the difference between group marriage and plural marriage."


    Deputy Yellowstone County Attorney Kevin Gillen said in the letter that the Collier's "reliance on the recent United States Supreme Court ruling on same sex marriage is misplaced, there is nothing in that ruling that describes the arrangement you seek to establish."


    In the letter, Gillen references the Marriage Equality Act, stating: "Throughout the ruling, the majority opinion references marriage between two people. That ruling did not expand the number of persons involved in a marriage; the ruling only acknowledged fundamental rights of a person who wishes to marry another person."


    The crux of the denial was two-fold; polygamous unions are illegal in Montana, and marriage is meant to be honored between two people.


    The Colliers said Thursday that they are heartbroken by the decision, but were expecting it.


    "I don't think the County Attorney fully understands our arrangement now, or the arrangement that we are seeking," said Nathan.

    "He seemed to confuse plural marriage with group marriage, whereas again, we aren't looking for my wives to be married to each other."


    "We kind of anticipated that the answer would be no," said Christine. "It was predictable based on how the laws are written. There's no distinction between polygamy and bigamy in the written law. To us, polygamy is consensual, where bigamy would be non-consensual."


    The Colliers said Thursday that they don't feel the County Attorney truly understood their argument. The family also notes that no officials from the county contacted them for clarification, nor did they respond to repeated calls from the Colliers.


    "To have them render a decision where the information is incorrect disturbs me," said Vicki. "This effects people's lives. It was heartbreaking, and I tried to prepare Christine for that because there's always that small glimmer of hope."


    The letter from Gillen highlighted the fact that bigamy and polygamy are illegal in the state of Montana.


    "I am not in the business of speculating as to what types of consequences (and new laws) may flow from the recent Supreme Court case," Gillen wrote. "However, until such time that laws change, the law of the State of Montana is that bigamy and polygamy are illegal arrangements and, consequently, the Yellowstone County Clerk of District Court is unable to issue such a marriage license."

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  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Incest, pedophilia, and animal relations are next. State sanctioned perversion will be the norm. This is how government destroys the morality of a people.
    How about letting me marry my truck.
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  28. #84
    A lot of men already have "soft harems," since a majority of the women have sex with a minority of men (the "alphas").
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  29. #85
    May be a totally unpopular view here... but I think the man should get his license. The Supreme Court has now set a precedent that it is all about LOVE. Whomever you love, whether it be two or ten people; your dog or cat... You love that creature and you should be allowed to marry it or all of them. Keyword is LOVE.

  30. #86
    Well, for thousands of years polygamy was accepted, and same sex marriage was unheard of and non existent.

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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    May be a totally unpopular view here... but I think the man should get his license. The Supreme Court has now set a precedent that it is all about LOVE. Whomever you love, whether it be two or ten people; your dog or cat... You love that creature and you should be allowed to marry it or all of them. Keyword is LOVE.
    I got the impression that SCOTUS set the precedent that marriage is now an entirely secular sacrament of the State and only nominally a religious institution. After all, plenty of "regular" people get married for reasons other than love-lust, money, politics, etc.
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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    May be a totally unpopular view here... but I think the man should get his license. The Supreme Court has now set a precedent that it is all about LOVE. Whomever you love, whether it be two or ten people; your dog or cat... You love that creature and you should be allowed to marry it or all of them. Keyword is LOVE.
    This.

    There is now, no legal reasoning that can prohibit it.

    None whatsoever.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianne View Post
    May be a totally unpopular view here... but I think the man should get his license. The Supreme Court has now set a precedent that it is all about LOVE. Whomever you love, whether it be two or ten people; your dog or cat... You love that creature and you should be allowed to marry it or all of them. Keyword is LOVE.

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post

    Nathan Collier and his wives Victoria and Christine


    Although love is love, this is troubling developmemt and could unravel the whole institution of marriage as God intended. Such a case could cause current religiously diverse SCOTUS to be very confused while deliberating on equal rights for consenting adults.

    A huge political crisis has just been born today.







    Related

    Obama and Romney both come from a ancestry of polygamy
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...8CT_story.html

    Jerome Corsi: Obama's dad polygamist


    next is a man marrying a ferrarri or a truck

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