Judge Orders Mother to Divorce Father to Get Kids Back: Marriage Cert Never Obtained However

[Created4]

It has been more than 7 months since Medical Kidnap published the story of 3 breastfeeding, homebirthed babies being seized by CPS in the state of Washington. Cleave and Erica May Rengo lost their children when someone worried about their homebirth called paramedics and their 10 month old was discovered to have eczema. Even though their were no major problems, and the Rengos were treating the eczema with holistic treatments, their babies were taken into custody by CPS, and they have reportedly been jumping through hoops ever since to get their children back.

They still don’t have them back.

The original story has been shared over 1 million times on Facebook:

Breastfed, Homebirthed Babies Taken Away From Parents For Not Using Hospital

“Why Aren’t People Getting Riled Up About This? Where Are the Protests?”

In a recent interview with Medical Kidnap, Erica May asked why more people are not upset over the injustice that her family, and thousands of others, are facing.

“People need to stand up and say, ‘Hey, we need to DO something.’ Where is the representation for loving families across the country? They [the CPS system] have only hurt the children they’ve taken away. Where are those who stand up for the women and children? Where are the Christians? Why aren’t people getting riled up about this? Where are the protests?”

CPS to Mother – Divorce Your Husband or Never Get You Kids Back

Earlier this year, the family reported that CPS mandated that they separate, as a condition for getting their children back. Now, Erica says that they have gone even further, and that the judge has told her that she

“must divorce Cleave, or [she] won’t be the one raising her kids.”

This is a very interesting request, given the fact that Cleave and Erica never obtained a marriage license from the State. They simply said their vows before God, asking neither the State nor a religious organization to sanction their marriage. And yet, the judge is allegedly ordering her to get a court-approved divorce against her will.

Erica points out the hypocrisy she sees in a country whose Supreme Court has just mandated “marriage equality,” while family court judges and caseworkers are permitted to demand that some couples divorce.

Attempt to Blackmail Mother on Mental Health Records that Don’t Exist?

Among the demands for all of the family members’ medical records, Erica May reports that there is a form that she has been told that she must sign for CPS to get her medical records from a mental health facility. However, she reports that, not only has she never been to the facility, she has never even been in the town where the facility is located!

Per legal advise, she refused to sign the release form for that facility. CPS is reportedly interpreting this as non-compliance on her part.

Parents Never Charged with Crimes, So Parenting Style Used Against Them

It is no secret that the Rengos subscribe to a holistic, attachment-parenting style of parenting, choosing organic, healthy foods over genetically modified, pesticide-laden foods, holistic treatments over pharmaceutical treatments whenever possible, as well as breast-feeding, and homebirthing her children – none of which is illegal in the state of Washington.

Read the Full Story.

[tod evans]

Working within the system doesn't seem to be working very well for that poor family....

[William Tell]

DAMN.

[tod evans]

DAMN THEM.

FIFY

[Created4]

Working within the system doesn't seem to be working very well for that poor family....

Not sure what you mean. They are not "working within the system." They did not get a marriage certificate, nor did they obtain birth certificates for their children. Their children were not born in a hospital, but at home. The State took them away nonetheless.

I am always amused by these people who comment on MedicalKidnap.com (not referring to you) that the reason these State-sponsored kidnapping happen is because the parents obtained a marriage license and birth certificates for their children, and that if they had not done these things, the State could never legally take their children.

There has not been a single case of medical kidnapping we have covered, and we have covered a lot now, where the police or CPS stopped and asked: "Do your children have birth certificates?"

[donnay]

Truly and utterly disgusting. They will do anything to break-up the family.

These kidnappers will receive true justice through God's wrath.

[tod evans]

Not sure what you mean. They are not "working within the system." They did not get a marriage certificate, nor did they obtain birth certificates for their children. Their children were not born in a hospital, but at home. The State took them away nonetheless.

I am always amused by these people who comment on MedicalKidnap.com (not referring to you) that the reason these State-sponsored kidnapping happen is because the parents obtained a marriage license and birth certificates for their children, and that if they had not done these things, the State could never legally take their children.

There has not been a single case of medical kidnapping we have covered, and we have covered a lot now, where the police or CPS stopped and asked: "Do your children have birth certificates?"

"Working within the system" has nothing to do with certificates, why was government involved in their life in the first place?

Not that it matters now, their children are gone and in order to get them back they're going to have to pay the ransom demanded..

The very first question I think of with EVERY thread you post about kids getting taken is "Why was government there to begin with?"

Government is evil, her minions care only for themselves, why expose your family?

[fisharmor]

Where are the Christians? Why aren’t people getting riled up about this?

An even better question is, why do people ask such $#@!ing stupid questions?
The answer is easy: 70% of them honestly believe this couple deserves everything they get for being deviants,
29% of them simply don't give a $#@!,
and the 1% remaining don't own Gundam $#@!ing battle suits, so what do you expect of them?????

[tod evans]

An even better question is, why do people ask such $#@!ing stupid questions?
The answer is easy: 70% of them honestly believe this couple deserves everything they get for being deviants,
29% of them simply don't give a $#@!,
and the 1% remaining don't own Gundam $#@!ing battle suits, so what do you expect of them?????[/COLOR]

I think if there was actually something folks could DO to help they would.

Sending lawyer money and writing pissed off letters has proven ineffectual time and again.

Find the kids, find that looney judge, find the evil CPS workers, come up with a plan that could actually be DONE and then meet in person to discuss DOing something...

Leaving out important information like why government was involved in the first place makes folks skeptical but even then if there was something they could actually DO......

[fisharmor]

I think if there was actually something folks could DO to help they would.

There is, you know what it is, and I know it, and so do a lot of other folks here.

[tod evans]

There is, you know what it is, and I know it, and so do a lot of other folks here.

We shant speak of such things with 1's-n-0's............

[CPUd]

I think if there was actually something folks could DO to help they would.

Sending lawyer money and writing pissed off letters has proven ineffectual time and again.

Find the kids, find that looney judge, find the evil CPS workers, come up with a plan that could actually be DONE and then meet in person to discuss DOing something...

Leaving out important information like why government was involved in the first place makes folks skeptical but even then if there was something they could actually DO......

Not saying they were right or wrong to remove the kids, but yes, there are pertinent facts omitted from this story.

[Steve-in-NY]

someone worried

Who is "someone"?

[donnay]

Not saying they were right or wrong to remove the kids, but yes, there are pertinent facts omitted from this story.

Yeah because you cannot see the state doing anything so horrifying as kidnapping children and tearing apart a family.

“If a cou*ple can’t have a decent argu*ment from time to time with*out the police show*ing up and mak*ing a report and mak*ing that a foun*da*tion for tak*ing our chil*dren away, then where is our free*dom of speech?”

The cou*ple says that they took their vows before God, not before a judge or agent of the law, and they con*sider them*selves mar*ried. But because of the court’s involve*ment, this union is being torn apart. She feels that they are being manip*u*lated into com*pli*ance, with the con*se*quences of not sub*mit*ting being the loss of her chil*dren for*ever. “Maybe” she can get them back if she can jump through all the hoops.

“I’m cer*tainly not hap*pier being sep*a*rated from him.”

Source

[Created4]

The very first question I think of with EVERY thread you post about kids getting taken is "Why was government there to begin with?"

In this story, if you read it, you will see it was not by their choosing. A disgruntled family member called the paramedics because she was upset the mother had twins at home, in an unassisted birth. The paramedics found nothing wrong, but reported them to CPS because they refused to take the babies into the hospital to have them "checked out."

So in other words, they were minding their own business, but someone else reported them because they did not like their lifestyle. This is common. Many of our stories are the same. People minding their own business, but a neighbor or relative doesn't like what they do, and reports them to CPS.

[Created4]

Leaving out important information like why government was involved in the first place makes folks skeptical but even then if there was something they could actually DO......

We've published like 6 stories on this family, and they have been covered extensively in the local media. So nothing has been "left out."

[CPUd]

In this story, if you read it, you will see it was not by their choosing. A disgruntled family member called the paramedics because she was upset the mother had twins at home, in an unassisted birth. The paramedics found nothing wrong, but reported them to CPS because they refused to take the babies into the hospital to have them "checked out."

So in other words, they were minding their own business, but someone else reported them because they did not like their lifestyle. This is common. Many of our stories are the same. People minding their own business, but a neighbor or relative doesn't like what they do, and reports them to CPS.

Why did the kids get taken after CPS went out to the house to follow up on the report?

[Created4]

Not saying they were right or wrong to remove the kids, but yes, there are pertinent facts omitted from this story.

Who gets to determine what the "facts" are? Our information comes straight from interviews with the parents. The parents have never been arrested or convicted of a crime - those are "facts" not in dispute on either side. Our position is if the parents are not arrested (and even when they are), they should get due process of the law like anyone else in society. Otherwise it is State-sponsored kidnapping, and nothing else.

Does the State Ever Have a “Right” to Remove Children from a Home?

[Created4]

Why did the kids get taken after CPS went out to the house to follow up on the report?

Original story with links to follow up articles.

[William Tell]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Using-Hospital

[CPUd]

Who gets to determine what the "facts" are? Our information comes straight from interviews with the parents. The parents have never been arrested or convicted of a crime - those are "facts" not in dispute on either side. Our position is if the parents are not arrested (and even when they are), they should get due process of the law like anyone else in society. Otherwise it is State-sponsored kidnapping, and nothing else.

Does the State Ever Have a “Right” to Remove Children from a Home?

Again, not commenting on whether or not the state should have taken the kids, the issue is with how you present it.

Based on the interview, you write this:

The Medical System Gets Involved

Sometime after the babies arrived on October 2, paramedics arrived to find the twins nursing and everybody doing fine. The twins each weighed over 5 lbs, and the paramedics allegedly verified that everyone appeared healthy. The paramedics allegedly recommended that they go to the hospital for evaluation, which is standard procedure for EMTs.

The Rengos say they declined, telling them they didn’t want to expose their newborns to the dirty environment of the hospital. They were planning to follow recommendations they had found, which stated that newborn twins should stay home for the first six weeks of life, to give their immune systems the opportunity to build up.


CPS Shows Up

The parents’ believe that because they chose not to go to the hospital at that time, somebody called CPS. A couple of social workers showed up the next day, and wanted to see all of the children. CPS told Erica that they were “here to help.” But Erica says that is not at all what happened.

But you don't include any statements from the other parties involved- the EMS, the hospital, CPS. It is like you don't really want to look further to the truth about whether or not CPS came to the house because they refused to go to the hospital when the EMTs was there. Or whether or not it is true that it is standard procedure for the paramedic to recommend going to the hospital (note, there is a difference between an EMT and a paramedic). Thus, not the complete story about what happened. It may seem trivial to you, but if you want to be taken seriously as a news site, stuff like that matters.

[Created4]

Again, not commenting on whether or not the state should have taken the kids, the issue is with how you present it.

Ah, I see. So it is not that "pertinent facts omitted from this story" but "how you present it."

if you want to be taken seriously as a news site

What makes you think we want to be "taken seriously as a news site"? Define "news site." You don't think we publish "news" when we give parents a platform to tell their story?

I think the "problem" here is your perception of who you think we should be. We are not Fox News, and we don't have corporate sponsors requiring us to cover the news a certain way under the auspices of "fair and balanced." The CPS/Social Worker side will never be given in specific cases, by us or mainstream media, because everything they do is cloaked in secrecy and they don't talk about these cases. Everything else that you can read online about this case is hearsay from people who don't like them and their lifestyle.

[tod evans]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Using-Hospital

The "backstory", if you will, is in this thread^^^^^^^^^

Hat-tip to WT for digging it up!

[tod evans]

In this story, if you read it, you will see it was not by their choosing. A disgruntled family member called the paramedics because she was upset the mother had twins at home, in an unassisted birth. The paramedics found nothing wrong, but reported them to CPS because they refused to take the babies into the hospital to have them "checked out."

So in other words, they were minding their own business, but someone else reported them because they did not like their lifestyle. This is common. Many of our stories are the same. People minding their own business, but a neighbor or relative doesn't like what they do, and reports them to CPS.

I'm one of the most guilty of NOT clicking links.

Probably because I do not like being lead anywhere including your site.

I did however just go over there and it appears you have covered this story pretty comprehensively.

Does traffic on your site matter to the point that you'd rather not include the whole story here? (I'm not very 'puter savvy and don't really know what the gains/losses are)

Myself, I like the back-n-forth discussion that goes on in the VBulletin environment much more than strung out comments in an article and find it more convenient to both read the article and discuss it on the same site.

[Created4]

Does traffic on your site matter to the point that you'd rather not include the whole story here? (I'm not very 'puter savvy and don't really know what the gains/losses are)

Traffic from RPF is probably very minimal, so that is not a motivation at all. It just takes time to paste in the whole story and format it. But if that is what people want, I can probably do it (on the stories we have the copyright to).

[tod evans]

Traffic from RPF is probably very minimal, so that is not a motivation at all. It just takes time to paste in the whole story and format it. But if that is what people want, I can probably do it (on the stories we have the copyright to).

I'm just one people.........

But thanks in advance if you do!

[CPUd]

Ah, I see. So it is not that "pertinent facts omitted from this story" but "how you present it."What makes you think we want to be "taken seriously as a news site"? Define "news site." You don't think we publish "news" when we give parents a platform to tell their story?

I think the "problem" here is your perception of who you think we should be. We are not Fox News, and we don't have corporate sponsors requiring us to cover the news a certain way under the auspices of "fair and balanced." The CPS/Social Worker side will never be given in specific cases, by us or mainstream media, because everything they do is cloaked in secrecy and they don't talk about these cases. Everything else that you can read online about this case is hearsay from people who don't like them and their lifestyle.

You can't turn up all the facts if you are only telling one side of the story. You don't need specifics, some simple statements on policy from the other parties would have been enough. Like The Bellingham Herald did here:

A CPS representative said home-birth wasn’t the issue in the case involving parents Cleave Rengo, 23, and Erica May Carey, 29, which has gone viral on social media.

“No policy of the Children’s Administration would allow a child to be taken from his or her parents because he or she was born at home. Home birth is not in any way a child safety risk factor,” said Laurie Alexander, area administrator for Children’s Administration, to which CPS belongs.

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news...e22262382.html

That also wasn’t an issue for Verge, who said home-birth has “no bearing whatsoever on my decision here.”

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news...#storylink=cpy

So now you have the CPS and the court commissioner who issued the order on record saying the children were removed for reasons other than home birth.

[donnay]

You can't turn up all the facts if you are only telling one side of the story. You don't need specifics, some simple statements on policy from the other parties would have been enough. Like The Bellingham Herald did here:






So now you have the CPS and the court commissioner who issued the order on record saying the children were removed for reasons other than home birth.

Better be careful your statism is starting to show.

[tod evans]

Paging Origanalist.......

Could we possibly get another man on the street update?