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Thread: Have Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders worked together much in the senate?

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    Question Have Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders worked together much in the senate?

    I was just thinking about this the other day after noticing Bernie Sanders has not signed on to the Rand Paul / Cory Booker CARERS Act to loosen up restrictions on medical marijuana and keep the feds from interfering with states where it is legal. Which is puzzling because it's not even legalizing marijuana recreationally or anything. You would think a progressive like Bernie Sanders would at least support this modest measure dealing with medical marijuana which already has the support of 12 senators. Then I thought about how Rand Paul has worked together with a lot of Democrats / progressives in the senate on various issues, such as Ron Wyden, Tom Udall, Jeff Merkley, Kirsten Gillebrand and some others. But I don't recall Rand ever having worked together with Bernie Sanders. Is there some kind of personal animosity or political gamesmanship between them that has prevented them from working together on civil liberty and foreign policy issues where they should share a lot of common ground? Why would Bernie not sign on to Rand's medical marijuana bill? Or have they worked together and I'm just not aware? This is kind of a goofy speculative thread but I was just wondering about this and also wanted to draw attention to the fact that Bernie Sanders has not signed on to Rand's medical marijuana bill, which he should be called out over.
    Last edited by jct74; 06-27-2015 at 10:59 PM.



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    You can use this search engine: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/LegislativeData.php

    I did the search for you, and they have (almost) never worked together. Sanders have never cosponored one of Rand's bills or amendments. Rand has never cosponsored one of Sanders's bills or amendments. Excluding things that was passed with unanimous consent, they both cosponsored the following bills/amendments introduced by others: (The only interesting tidbit I could come up with is that Sanders cosponsored Manchin's Pentagon audit bill, but not Rand's)

    • Joe Manchin's "Audit the Pentagon Act of 2015"
    • Jeff Flake's "Freedom to Travel to Cuba Act of 2015"
    • Ron Wyden's "Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2013"
    • Ron Wyden's "Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2012"
    • Mark Udall's "Small Business Lending Enhancement Act of 2013"
    • Mark Udall's "Small Business Lending Enhancement Act of 2011"
    • Richard Durbin's "Smarter Sentencing Act of 2014"
    • Ron Wyden's "Intelligence Oversight and Surveillance Reform Act"
    • Dianne Feinstein's "Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011"
    • Mark Udall's "A bill to amend the Federal Credit Union Act, to advance the ability of credit unions to promote small business growth and economic development opportunities, and for other purposes"
    • Jeff Merkley's Amendment "To express the sense of Congress regarding the expedited transition of responsibility for military and security operations in Afghanistan to the Government of Afghanistan"
    • Jeff Merkley's Amendment "To require a plan for the expedited transition of responsibility for military and security operations in Afghanistan to the Government of Afghanistan."
    • Dianne Feinstein's Amendment "To clarify that an authorization to use military force, a declaration of war, or any similar authority shall not authorize the detention without charge or trial of a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States. "
    • Kirsten Gilibrand's Amendment "To reform procedures for determinations to proceed to trial by court-martial for certain offenses under the Uniform Code of Military Justice"
    Last edited by Foreigner; 06-27-2015 at 07:42 PM.

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    Thanks Foreigner, that's interesting. So I guess they have worked together indirectly in some ways on some legislation. But not really as a team supporting each others' legislation like Rand, Wyden, and Merkley frequently do. Wyden and Merkley are supporting the medical marijuana bill BTW, as well as Udall and Gillebrand. But Sanders is nowhere to be found.

    I'm also thinking about how every time Rand is giving some speech on the floor about our civil liberties coming under attack, Wyden and Merkley are right there by Rand's side standing with him. But Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul I can't recall a single instance of them throwing it back and forth on the senate floor. Maybe Bernie doesn't like to give speeches. But I also think back to that 10 hour filibuster he did over extending the Bush tax cuts, so I don't think that is the case. If he can spend 10 hours filibustering tax cuts, why not ever lend Rand, Wyden, and Merkley a helping hand speaking out about some of the important issues those three frequently do?

    I'm not at all impressed with the guy who is supposed to be the Ron Paul of the left.
    Last edited by jct74; 06-28-2015 at 10:15 AM.

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    Sanders works with some Paleocons and economic nationalists on H1B immigration visas and trade.
    Last edited by RandallFan; 06-27-2015 at 07:56 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandallFan View Post
    Sanders works with some Paleocons and economic nationalists on H1B immigration visas and trade.
    Makes sense, Sanders is an union-man, and the unions don't want immigrants to "take their jobs", or reduce the avg. wage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreigner View Post
    Makes sense, Sanders is an union-man, and the unions don't want immigrants to "take their jobs", or reduce the avg. wage.
    The workforce around H1Bs is mostly non-unionized, but I agree - H1B is a terrible salary reduction program.

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    Bernie Sanders is a fraud IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Bernie Sanders is a fraud IMO
    Who in congress isn't ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Bernie Sanders is a fraud IMO
    yeah, basically that's what I'm getting at. I have a fair amount of respect for some of the principled liberals in congress who work together often with people like Rand, Amash, and Massie on foreign policy and civil liberty issues where they share common ground, teaming up to form a libertarian/progressive alliance of sorts.

    But Bernie Sanders I don't remember him ever working with Rand or doing anything in the senate that I have cheered on, even though he is a supposed principled progressive that should share common ground with libertarians and Rand. The only things I can recall him doing are his 10 hour filibuster over the Bush tax cuts and selling out on Ron Paul's bill to Audit the Fed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    yeah, basically that's what I'm getting at. I have a fair amount of respect for some of the principled liberals in congress who work together often with people like Rand, Amash, and Massie on foreign policy and civil liberty issues where they share common ground, teaming up to form a libertarian/progressive alliance of sorts.

    But Bernie Sanders I don't remember him ever working with Rand or doing anything in the senate that I have cheered on, even though he is a supposed principled progressive that should share common ground with libertarians and Rand. The only things I can recall him doing are his 10 hour filibuster over the Bush tax cuts and selling out on Ron Paul's bill to Audit the Fed.
    Bernie Sanders is a socialist while Rand Paul is a libertarian conservative.

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    Cory Booker is basically what Bernie Sanders was supposed to be. He isn't as pure as Kucinich though. Similarly to Rand and Ron. Gilibrand also has her fair share in coming together with us on issues.

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    Bernie and Rand have similar positions on TPA Fast Track.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    Cory Booker is basically what Bernie Sanders was supposed to be. He isn't as pure as Kucinich though. Similarly to Rand and Ron. Gilibrand also has her fair share in coming together with us on issues.
    Yep, Cory Booker is another Democrat who Rand has worked together a lot with. The medical marijuana bill of course and also the REDEEM Act off the top of my head. They've done a bunch of interviews together and the media likes to play up a 'bromance' between them. They seem to have a very good working relationship during the short time that Booker has been in the senate so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Bernie Sanders is a fraud IMO
    Oh, yes indeed. Bernie protected the Federal Reserve and screwed the 99% with his amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill in May, 2010. A real "Man of The People!."
    Last edited by anaconda; 06-28-2015 at 03:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    Cory Booker is basically what Bernie Sanders was supposed to be. He isn't as pure as Kucinich though.
    And Kucinich was not as pure as Cynthia McKinney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    Bernie and Rand have similar positions on TPA Fast Track.
    Right, and I would think they share a good amount of similar positions if Bernie Sanders really is the principled progressive that people make him out to be and the left-wing version of Ron Paul. But that hasn't translated into him working together with Rand on anything that I can see. Ron Paul, who Bernie Sanders is being compared to, worked together with progressives in congress such as Dennis Kucinich and Barney Frank all the time. Same with Rand. But Bernie seems isolated on an island all by himself and has not really taken any principled progressive stands that libertarians / Ron Paul supporters could applaud. In fact, he sold out on Ron Paul's bill to Audit the Fed.



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    My understand, from a couple of people I know who have worked in the Senate, is that 1. Sanders on principle does not work with Republicans often, if ever, and 2. Sanders in particular does not like Rand

    Sanders from what I can tell is laser-focused on economic issues, to the exclusion of everything else

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    And Kucinich was not as pure as Cynthia McKinney.
    No idea who that is

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    Don't forget when Sanders stabbed Ron Paul in the back on Audit the Fed, leading Ron to write this on his facebook page:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul
    "Bernie Sanders has sold out and sided with [Sen.] Chris Dodd to gut Audit the Fed in the Senate. His 'compromise' is what the administration and banking interests want," Paul wrote on Facebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mz10 View Post
    My understand, from a couple of people I know who have worked in the Senate, is that 1. Sanders on principle does not work with Republicans often, if ever, and 2. Sanders in particular does not like Rand

    Sanders from what I can tell is laser-focused on economic issues, to the exclusion of everything else
    Thanks, that's really interesting. Pretty much confirms what I suspected.

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    Last edited by anaconda; 06-29-2015 at 05:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    No idea who that is
    Cynthia McKinney served in congress for a few terms as a Democrat and then was the Green candidate for president in 2008. She is an example of another progressive that Ron Paul reached out to when he held a press conference in 2008 with McKinney, Nader, Barr, and Baldwin to sort of semi-endorse the entire 3rd party field and unify them around a common set of issues.

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    If Sanders were younger , I would think he was just waiting for his chance to be the next Mao .

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    I don't see Elizabeth Warren's name as a cosponsor for the CARERS Act either. Nor do I remember her ever working together with Rand in the senate, or doing anything positive as far as civil liberty and foreign policy issues go. Progressives worship her, but what good is she if she can't even get behind a simple measure to get the feds to back off on medical marijuana in states where it is already legal? Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are a lot alike it seems like.
    Last edited by jct74; 07-05-2015 at 12:02 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    If Sanders were younger , I would think he was just waiting for his chance to be the next Mao .
    He was busy writing porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    I don't see Elizabeth Warren's name as a cosponsor for the CARERS Act either. Nor do I ever remember her ever working together with Rand in the senate, or doing anything positive as far as civil liberty and foreign policy issues go. Progressives worship her, but what good is she if she can't even get behind a simple measure to get the feds to back off on medical marijuana in states where it is already legal? Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are a lot alike it seems like.
    Doesn't sound like she CARERS very much for civil rights.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Doesn't sound like she CARERS very much for civil rights.
    Or cancer and AIDS patients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    Or cancer and AIDS patients.
    Proggys are such a caring bunch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Bernie has a good stance on foreign wars and taking care of our soldiers.

    outside of that, he's a wacko that doesnt understand the basic principles of money

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    Or cancer and AIDS patients.
    Well, it seems he was concerned about cervical cancer in his youth.

    If only, Bernie...

    Bernie Sanders Once Blamed Cervical Cancer on a Lack of Orgasms

    The New York Times ran a frontpage investigative report on Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders‘ early political history on July 4th. But buried in the piece is the bizarre fact that Sanders once questioned whether or not cancer– and cervical cancer in particular– was caused by a lack of orgasms.

    Sanders once wrote for a Vermont left-wing revolutionary paper called “The Freeman.” Many of his contributions were a bit kooky, such as one claiming the U.S. was on the brink of nuclear annihilation or “death by poison gas.” But perhaps the craziest was Sanders’ take on cancer:

    Mr. Sanders contributed only sporadically… [H]e cited studies claiming that cancer could be caused by psychological factors such as unresolved hostility toward one’s mother, a tendency to bury aggression beneath a “facade of pleasantness” and having too few orgasms. “Sexual adjustment seemed to be very poor in those with cancer of the cervix,” he wrote, quoting a study in a journal called Psychosomatic Medicine.
    This should go without saying, but there is no evidence that orgasms have anything to do with cancer or cervical cancer.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/berni...ck-of-orgasms/
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Sanders knowledge of economics is equivalent to Webster knowing how to dunk a basketball.

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