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    The License

    The License
    by Robert Klassen



    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2001/04/...n/the-license/
    The state does not license cats. Why is that? They license dogs, why
    not cats? Could it be that cats refuse to be licensed? Are they
    too independent, stubborn, stuck-up, wily, and disobedient to be
    licensed?

    According to my dictionary, the main meanings of the word, license, are:
    a. Official or legal permission to do or own a specified thing.
    b. Proof of permission granted, usually in the form of a document,
    card, plate, or tag. I never knew a cat who ever asked anybody
    for permission to do anything, so maybe that's the answer.

    But let's look at other categories of licensing. We have to license
    cars and trucks, but we do not have to license backhoes or lawn
    mowers. Does that make sense? Evidently the demand to license a
    thing is not inherent to the thing. I mean, these things all have
    engines and wheels and they move around, but we only license some
    of them. Why license cars? The individual car is already identified
    by the manufacturers' number, why do we need another one? The fee,
    of course, goes to support a state bureaucracy consisting of bored
    and indifferent individuals who are only working there for the wages
    and benefits and who couldn't care less about their career, if you
    can call it that. So why bother?

    Yes, I know, the real reason we must license cars is so that the state
    can keep track of us. It's the same reason we must file a personal
    income tax return. Americans, unlike Europeans, have never been
    required to register with the police whenever they move from one
    place to another and we probably would not do it. This works.

    What does a business license accomplish? Well, I guess it proves that
    you're seriously in business, although in most cities you can't
    be in business without one. So it's outright extortion, like property
    taxes, going to fund city government services that you didn't want
    anyway. Police? Well, maybe you do want police protection of your
    property, but police won't go near a riot and they're always too
    busy elsewhere, so you'll have to pay extra to hire your own.

    How about a marriage license? That's something everybody really needs.
    How many times has a business asked you to show them your marriage
    license? What is this? Of course, in legal disputes it serves as
    a record of marriage, an implied contract, but what's to keep couples
    from making explicit contracts that could be used in private arbitration
    of disputes? It wouldn't be romantic, I suppose, but then waiting
    in line at the county clerk's desk isn't terribly romantic either.
    Neither is divorce court.

    But we all know that doctors and dentists and nurses and such need to
    be licensed. Don't we? Their license is the state's guarantee that
    they are fully educated and competent at their business and that
    they won't cheat you or cause you bodily harm. Right? Okay, take
    away that guarantee, the state doesn't guarantee anything. But the
    license proves they're educated and competent, doesn't it? College
    degrees also prove they're educated and the validation of supervisors
    also proves they're competent. In fact, these are the very things
    that states use to issue the license. So what does the license prove?
    Why is it necessary? Why do we believe in it?

    When I started working in hospitals back in the sixties, my particular
    niche in that world was not licensed. We had our own private organization
    that issued a certificate after a person voluntarily submitted to
    testing and that certificate was accepted in hospitals all over
    the country. Specific institutional education was not required to
    qualify for that test, but a person had to have two years of supervised
    experience and the endorsement of two of those supervisors to apply
    for it. That could get real sticky.

    People who knew the business had to be convinced that you knew the business
    before they would commit themselves to endorsing you and it was
    up to you to convince them. There were no textbooks on this subject
    in those days, but there were textbooks on anatomy, microbiology,
    physics, pharmacology, physiology, and chemistry; subjects that
    you were expected to know. There were also complex machines to learn
    inside-out, because you had to be able to fix them yourself if they
    broke down.

    This was during the forging of a new profession, brought about by emerging
    technology. The doctors and the technicians were determined to find
    better ways to keep people alive after surgery or trauma, so the
    era of life-support machines was born. The technicians took their
    responsibility seriously and they did not make entry into their
    world easy. People who just wanted a job could look elsewhere.

    Of course, there are parasites in any business, no matter how much
    you try to get rid of them. When you have a national organization
    that supposedly represents thousands of people in a business, you
    necessarily have people running it. At first those people still
    worked in hospitals and ran the organization on the side, but the
    membership kept growing and the dues piled up and one day there
    was just too much work to be done at the office. The bureaucrats
    arrived.

    Other things happened. Medicare refused to recognize the profession and
    all the Blues followed suit, which created a big reimbursement problem
    for hospitals. Hospital administration gradually became a profession
    too and adopted the model of organization from the government and
    the old rust-belt industries, the top-down pyramid, which required
    a department head who had to attend meetings instead of treating
    patients. Ambitious young doctors saw opportunity knocking and began
    to write research papers and textbooks on the new technology. Medical
    centers started formal in-house education programs. Voices were
    raised here and there demanding that we become genuine, validated,
    professionals, just like the doctors and the nurses, by asking the
    state to license us too.

    I objected to that, naturally, and the national organization duly
    published my objection in their journal. I predicted that licensure
    would destroy the quality and the integrity of the practitioners
    and thus would destroy the credibility of the profession itself.
    This was not well received, particularly by those individuals who
    resented the threat of ostracism for inadequate work and the onerous
    difficulty of acquiring that piece of paper the way we had been
    doing it. They wanted schools. They wanted teachers who would be
    reasonable and understanding. They could get what they wanted if
    the state required graduation from a school to qualify for a license.
    From big empires do little empires grow.

    I have heard it said that professional licensure came into existence
    at the insistence of professionals themselves who wished to restrict
    access to their field, the idea being to raise the price by limiting
    the supply for a given demand. I wonder, though, how much the cry
    for licensure was driven by simpler motives like envy, jealousy,
    and fear, like the motives behind the anti-trust lawsuit against
    Microsoft? I mean, if a person could demonstrate exceptional expertise
    in a field and contribute to innovation in that field, would it
    really matter to similar professionals if that person is licensed?
    I don't think so.

    I would like to be able to say to my young and hopeful colleagues,
    once more, "I don't care where you learned it, just tell me
    how you would use the Henderson-Hasselbach equation in this situation,"
    instead of depending on the license they acquired by graduating
    from a program and taking a multiple-choice test, thus satisfying
    the requirements of the state licensing board.

    The structure of the licensure process in our society sits on a foundation
    that presumes there is some state authority that knows more than
    anybody else, that knows best who is qualified and who is not qualified
    to do something, without any guarantees. The fact that this authority
    is a person who merely collects and files documents demanded by
    a checklist prepared by a committee is totally ignored. None of
    these people are accountable in a malpractice lawsuit, for example,
    because they issued a license to somebody who was totally incompetent
    to do the licensed job, but who was fully competent to supply the
    required documents. Documents don't do surgery. I think we'd all
    be better off if we left the certifying of medical professionals
    to insurance underwriters who have a financial stake in being right.
    Insurance could guarantee to the consumer that the practitioner
    is educated and competent, the state cannot.

    So let's consider licensing software engineers. Immediately one realizes
    that if Mr. Bill Gates had been forced to get a license first, the
    world would most likely not have a Microsoft Corporation today.
    We read about thousands of young people who renounce the tedium
    of higher education for the excitement of writing software, which
    they learned to do on their own, and creating their own Internet
    companies. Some succeed, some fail. I can just see some bureaucrat
    focusing myopically on the failures and saying, we ought to make
    it easier for them, their self-esteem depends on it, and I know
    how to give them all equal opportunity: license them! Make them
    all the same!

    I do hope that I haven't given somebody an agenda in that paragraph,
    but here's another idea, the government could license writers too.
    Didn't the Soviet Union do something like that?. This wouldn't be
    censorship, mind you, that would be unconstitutional, but no writer
    could be published who was not licensed, a wholly different matter.
    I wonder what committee would set the standards? Ah, the New York
    Times! I wonder about the rules a writer would have to obey? Education
    requirements, tests, continuing education, fees to be paid? A whole
    new bureaucracy devoted to ignoring complaints? And all paid for
    by the victims, just like the DMV and the state licensing boards.

    Elegant idea, and many a politician would pant to dream of it, but it wouldn't
    work, for the same reason that licensing cats doesn't work. Not
    all people are as independent, stubborn, stuck up, wily, and disobedient
    as cats, but writers come pretty close, especially libertarian writers.

    In the end, if we could just let go of our precious and profound co-dependent
    faith in the omniscience and omnipotence of the state, once reserved
    in our civilization for God alone, we might see that licensing professions
    is the codification of mediocrity. The most able and the least able
    are granted equality by the state, and the devil take the hindmost,
    who are us, the consumers. We pay for it. The license? Abolish it.
    Who is with me? Who is a consistent libertarian who rejects all licensure?
    Last edited by Sola_Fide; 06-27-2015 at 05:15 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Who is with me? Who is a consistent libertarian who rejects all licensure?
    Count me in. Great read.
    +rep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Who is with me? Who is a consistent libertarian who rejects all licensure?
    I REJECT ANY AND ALL.

    15 years of plumbing, electrical, and structural carpentry. No professional license. About a 1/3 with no driving license. I've never hunted with a license or gone fishing with one. I finished an accredited bachelors for mom but I have never presented it to anyone for employment. I'm in the midst of putting an addition on my neighbours house without a permit.


    My magazine holds more than the legal limit and I like the sound it makes when I empty it.



    $#@! LICENSES. $#@! PERMITS. $#@! INSPECTIONS.





    LIBERTY requires no license.
    Last edited by presence; 06-27-2015 at 06:37 AM.

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    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    I REJECT ANY AND ALL.

    15 years of plumbing, electrical, and structural carpentry. No professional license. About a 1/3 with no driving license. I've never hunted with a license or gone fishing with one. I finished an accredited bachelors for mom but I have never presented it to anyone for employment. I'm in the midst of putting an addition on my neighbours house without a permit.


    My magazine holds more than the legal limit and I like the sound it makes when I empty it.



    $#@! LICENSES. $#@! PERMITS. $#@! INSPECTIONS.





    LIBERTY requires no license.
    Agree.

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    I'll reject both cats and licences.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post



    $#@! LICENSES. $#@! PERMITS. $#@! INSPECTIONS.





    LIBERTY requires no license.
    yea babeee

  8. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I'll reject both cats and licences.....
    Me too. And gay and straight marriage licenses, which all libertarians must reject.

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    But, but....I might get a bad haircut, or something.
    "The Patriarch"



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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I'll reject both cats and licences.....
    I think that's taking it too far.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I'll reject both cats and licences.....
    What do you have against cats? They are the perfect "liberty" pet. Individualism personified. As long as you feed them, they stick around.

    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    What do you have against cats?
    Nothing, they're actually pretty good deep fried on rice with oyster sauce....

    They're even good out in the barn and for other folks to keep as pets.

    If I feed a critter it's either because I like it's company or I intend to eat it, I don't keep fish, rodents or reptiles either...

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    This may be an unintended consequence for the government. It may well be that the rumblings we hear out of some states means that the days of licensing relationships are coming to an end.
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi

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    I'm against all licenses.
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    xxxxx
    Last edited by Voluntarist; 05-23-2016 at 08:03 PM.
    You have the right to remain silent. Anything you post to the internet can and will be used to humiliate you.

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    The article kind of gets to my analogy for this gay marriage ruling. Let's imagine that the 14th amendment says "all animals are equal". Then at the same time, we license dogs in many States. Now, the "all animals are equal" justification is being used by cat owners to force States to license cats. Does this mean that giraffes must be licensed too? Where does it stop? Where are the boundaries of the law?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The article kind of gets to my analogy for this gay marriage ruling. Let's imagine that the 14th amendment says "all animals are equal". Then at the same time, we license dogs in many States. Now, the "all animals are equal" justification is being used by cat owners to force States to license cats. Does this mean that giraffes must be licensed too? Where does it stop? Where are the boundaries of the law?
    Giraffes reject licensing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The article kind of gets to my analogy for this gay marriage ruling. Let's imagine that the 14th amendment says "all animals are equal". Then at the same time, we license dogs in many States. Now, the "all animals are equal" justification is being used by cat owners to force States to license cats. Does this mean that giraffes must be licensed too? Where does it stop? Where are the boundaries of the law?
    +rep

    It never stops. That is the point of government. And whatever it get involves in, it is to take freedom away from people, not make them equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobismom View Post
    This may be an unintended consequence of it. It may well be that the rumblings we hear out of some states means that the days of licensing relationships are coming to an end.
    +rep

    Who knows? That would be a step forward for freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Giraffes reject licensing.
    THIS THIS!
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Giraffes reject licensing.
    That's what I heard. But sheep love them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    That's what I heard. But sheep love them.
    Ya, we giraffes do not approve of sheep.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    The License
    by Robert Klassen



    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2001/04/...n/the-license/


    Who is with me? Who is a consistent libertarian who rejects all licensure?
    Aye! +rep
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    Yes, abolish all mandatory licensure.

    Though that must be distinguished from credentialing by voluntary professional associations (AMA or whatever) - nothing wrong with the latter.

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    xxxxx
    Last edited by Voluntarist; 05-23-2016 at 08:04 PM.
    You have the right to remain silent. Anything you post to the internet can and will be used to humiliate you.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    I applaud you.

    I've got nothing against licenses - except the civil ones. However, there's too much risk for me in doing without most of the ones you've listed - the civil authorities do have punishments they mete out for violations if/when they discover them.

    I'll forgo the driver license and auto tags when there are private roads that will get me where I want to go. When that happens, I realize there will be property rights to be considered; and I'll have to abide by the driving rules imposed by the road's owner if I want to use the road. I also realize that I don't don't own the public roads; and so must adhere to the rules for using them which are imposed by the care-takers of them.

    I don't hunt or fish on public property for the same reason - I don't own them; and, in this case, am not willing to acquire the licenses to utilize them. My access to private hunting and fishing are quite limited, and not really much of a challenge due to their size - so I hardly ever use them.

    I've had to produce my degrees for employment - but they're from private institutions (so not a civil license).

    I have foreign business partners, so I have a passport (civil license to enter the US) ... I'm all for opening the borders, who's with me!!!!

    I have a foreign girlfriend whom I'd like to be able to enter/exit the US at will without having to get, or promise to get, a civil marriage license with her ... I'm all for opening the borders, who's with me!!!!

    I'm over sixty years old and have never gotten a civil marriage license. Of all of the symbolic measures you can take against civil licensing, this one is the easiest. It's a painless path to take, and risk free. No one from the government has ever bothered to try to track me down and fine me for not having a civil marriage license. It doesn't appear to have done any damage to my children. No one in the community really noticed whether I was civilly married or not - mine was simply another family in the community. About the only civil benefits you give up are your tax filing status (which is a toss-up as to whether it's a plus or a minus), social security survivor benefits for the partner earning less, and some tax breaks on inheritance if your estate is large enough.
    ... So, if you hold a civil marriage license ... then back up the bravado you express on the interwebz, and dissolve your civil marriage. Don't divorce each other - divorce the state.
    That's all the more reason to be against all of them. It's how they control and extort you.



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