SCOTUS saves Obamacare in 6-25-15 opinion

[angelatc]

The real Constitutional issue is Congressional power to enact such a law to begin with. That issue was dismissed out of hand. Congress can do whatever it wants. The rest of the Obamacare challenges have been tweaking around the edges and a waste of time.

This. A thousand times this.

[Ronin Truth]

I was referring tot he death of our freedom.

The ACA mandate is literally a tax on living.


I cannot find any proof that it applies to me, a 200 year old piece of parchment signed by dead folks means nothing to me. Defensive violence is next.

I fully understood. I can resist anything except a good straight line.

[Ronin Truth]

Wasn't the pseudo validity of the dead CONstitution finally repealed with the government bankruptcy in the 30's.

[wizardwatson]

Wasn't the pseudo validity of the dead CONstitution finally repealed with the government bankruptcy in the 30's.

The 10th amendment is still honored via marriage laws. Once they cross that line with gay marriage ruling then we can officially say the Constitution is meaningless.

Like I said, America is certainly a brain dead vegetable. And I know many people support gay marriage. But whether you support or don't you have to admit even in the secular libertarian sense that it's most certainly a state's rights issue as the institution itself cannot be discriminatory since everyone is allowed to marry within it's parameters because everyone is either a man or a woman biologically. It's the state's perogative to change that definition, most certainly not the federal government by any legal stretch of the imagination. So I'm curious to see what that stretch is going to entail. (And they might uphold the bans, who knows)

But when SCOTUS crosses that line into local civil law then vegetable America has officially flatlined. Then any sense in which someone could say we are a nation of laws or of God is one empty big fat lie.

[ZENemy]

The 10th amendment is still honored via marriage laws. Once they cross that line with gay marriage ruling then we can officially say the Constitution is meaningless.

Like I said, America is certainly a brain dead vegetable. And I know many people support gay marriage. But whether you support or don't you have to admit even in the secular libertarian sense that it's most certainly a state's rights issue as the institution itself cannot be discriminatory since everyone is allowed to marry within it's parameters because everyone is either a man or a woman biologically. It's the state's perogative to change that definition, most certainly not the federal government by any legal stretch of the imagination. So I'm curious to see what that stretch is going to entail. (And they might uphold the bans, who knows)

But when SCOTUS crosses that line into local civil law then vegetable America has officially flatlined. Then any sense in which someone could say we are a nation of laws or of God is one empty big fat lie.

If true (it is, I agree with you), we can all LEGALLY stop paying our taxes as they use that piece of paper for their jurisdiction.

[osan]

Roberts needs to be punished.

He will not be touched.

[georgiaboy]

This. A thousand times this.

yep, Art. 1, Sec. 8.

[Peace&Freedom]

yep, Art. 1, Sec. 8.

Those articles and sections, and everything else are meaningless unless protected and defended. Until then, we live in a land of George W. Bushes and Cersei Lannisters, who laugh at that piece of paper.

[osan]

2012 - It's not SCOTUS's job to fix Congress's $#@!ty laws

2015 - This is a $#@!tily written law, so we deem it means the opposite of what it says.

The Supreme Court should just close shop. It's completely useless and contradictory.

This issue is but another data point illustrating why the US Constitution is so dangerous an instrument.

Forget your elections and make your preparations for the worst, for it is at the door, knocking loudly. Prepare either to fight to the death, or to accept that which is already here and coiling to strike at you, but then shed naked of any vestige of concern for your "rights". Nobody is going to save you. Hell has been realized upon the face of beautiful earth by a force neither you nor I can quite comprehend and it will not simply go away because you ask or demand that it be so. It is here for you. It is here for your children; your friends; your neighbors. It is here for everyone you love, everyone you dislike, those you may hate, and everyone else for whom you stand indifferent.

Time is here.

Choice is here, and there is no opting out, and no hiding from that which threatens everything you hold dear. Your future shall be one of a form of bland, grey, uniform, gross, and ineffable misery whose name is Perfect Equality. You shall become universally fungible, and thereby truly meaningless and without value as a "technically" living entity. Your existence will mean nothing in the eyes of Naked Power who, for the first time in surviving recorded history now holds in its hands the technological might to put anyone it pleases into any state it pleases, at any time pleases, for any reason it pleases, including no reason beyond the pleasure of its capricious whim.

Your very existence shall hang upon the pleasure of others whose deepest basis of judgment shall never be known to you and is most likely as solidly dependable as warm Jell-O. The one thing of which you can rest certain is that once your choice is made to accept Theire gentle authority, your soul will be lost to the mists of eternity, for you will have walked of your own accord through the gate of hell and never again will you emerge into light. I am very serious about this. Most cannot see what I have seen, whether it be for lack of something essential to the ability, or the simple refusal to open their eye's to such things. It is possible I am gone 'round the bend as the British tend to say. I cannot honestly claim to be quite free of the fear of that possibility, for who in this reality but the insane see such things that nobody else perceives? But if I am sound in my mind, then it is the maw of Hell itself into which I have peered almost daily since I was a teen, and I can tell you that it has not been a happy passage through the years in this regard.

When I speak of Hell and demons, I do not speak of them in the ways most appear to take the concepts in terms of biblical or other religious points of view. I have seen the Devil Himself and he is a man. He is many men. He is Legion. We worry about the Firey Pit, the Stygian Void of eternal damnation read about in various "holy" texts. Well, I am here to tell you that either all those texts are utter baloney or we misinterpret the words therein. I cannot say whether there is a demon called Satan on a throne in some deep recess of who-knows-where. I can, however, tell you that there are devils in most households; devils that smile at you and say "good morning", and "yes please, I would like another cup of coffee", and so on. I am not the only one who has said that evil comes not as a fanged, red-skinned monster, but as one with the countenance of a beloved elder uncle, smiling his kind smile. But where, exactly, are his hands? Where, indeed.

The evils depicted in texts such as those of Revelation are not as people perceive them. When the time comes that the true face of the Devil Himself shall become apparent, nary a one of you shall be prepared for that which you shall see. And yet, you are daily given loud, clarion messages of the Beast's unequivocal intent and this court decision is nothing less than that. It is not subtle, it does not equivocate, and the day is nigh where it shall deliver its messages in a far more direct and efficient manner. When that day arrives, you will have a choice before you: accept or fight. Make no mistake here: "fight" does not mean "vote harder" or "write your Congressman" or "protest in the streets" or "deliver lectures to like-minded people". It will mean nothing less than the nightmare of killing men-become-monsters who would see you destroyed, physically, mentally, spiritually, or some combination of these including all three.

The beast is upon your shoulder, readying itself to bite deeply into your fleshy and vulnerable neck, yet you sit idle in the apparent hope that it will go away if you ignore it, or perhaps that it is not as bad as your Inner Voice tells you. It is not only as bad, it is far and away worse, for once the gloves come off, they shall remain off into the far and distant future and that which you accept for yourself do you damn your great great grandchildren's great great grandchildren, as well as theirs and theirs and so on for an eon to come. So think you carefully on what it is you shall choose when the time comes, for you are not the only one who shall suffer in freakish misery, daily wondering what might the point be in all of this equality.

Perhaps I am indeed over-the-top, crazy. But what if I am not?

If you want better to understand the deeper meaning of devils and demons, look no further than the face of the twentieth century where the likes of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao showed us the Beast to which ancient texts refer in the buck. It is the face of your neighbor. It may even be the face of the man staring back at you in the mirror. It is real, it is here, it is technologically enabled, and it is no longer in the mood to be constrained by "standards of comportment". The true face of the Beast has been rubbed in your faces for an age and still you refuse to see. It is even in film; just watch "Forbidden Planet", and for Christ's sake pay some damned attention to what is shown you there.

The patterns are clear, very ancient, and unmistakable. Ignore them at the world's peril.

[osan]

The real Constitutional issue is Congressional power to enact such a law to begin with.

Oh FOOF... that is not the real issue at all. The Constitution confers no authority, and therefore raises no such issue. This is all about the degree to which men will belly up to the bar of power, and Theye are now bellying for all they are worth while the rest of us stand in slack-jawed, pussified stupefaction with the irritation of girly-men who talk a talk of which they walk not a single step. Hell, they don't even talk the talk anymore for fear that words shall land them in trouble with those who hold no authority beyond that conferred to them by their will to power and accession of the rest to allow it.

Jabber on of "Constitutional issue[s]" all you want. It will make no difference at the end of the day.

What hope is there for the race of men when they refuse for fear to even speak the speak that needs speaking?

That issue was dismissed out of hand.

And rightly so. Theye who are in power should respect you because.... why, exactly? I see no reason whatsoever that Theye should show us the least consideration when we show ourselves equally. Theye despise us and we merit the disdain because we sit like imbeciles, drooling on ourselves while Theye rob, rape, and plunder us with no show of resistance beyond words. What would YOU do were you sitting in one of Theire seats and you for a lifetime observes the eunuch jellies over which you were lord? Would you love them for their soft innocence and acceptance of all your fiats imposed upon them, no matter how outrageous to basic human dignity? Should the Germans have loved and coddled the Jews who meekly shuffled into the cattle cars? Again, I bit you look at it from THEIRE point of view, and be honest at least with yourself, if not us. Strip away all the politically correct bull$#@! and the morally normative "values" with which you would publicly respond. Do as Jesus bid and lock yourself away in your closet, only not to pray in the common sense of the word, but to answer my question with PERFECT HONESTY, free of all external sticks and carrots that ordinarily impel you to say 'A' when in truth you would otherwise reply with 'Z'.

Do we, as compliant sissies, willing to bend over for it any time the Master demands, merit anything better than his scorn and disdain?

If you are unwilling to act beyond the narrowly built mental corrals and chutes defined for you by men long dead and whose qualifications to dictate to the future are so obviously in doubt, much less their authority to do so, what leads you to believe that you or anyone like you merits any respect whatsoever? And for the record, I am like you when it comes to brass tacks, so neither do I escape the withering light of truth, in case you thought I exempted myself.

Until we begin to utter the words that so few show the sense or the guts to say, the only thing we deserve is the shellacking we are getting.

[otherone]

Why do SC judges only move leftward and never to the right? Like throughout modern history? I sense a conspiracy of some type.

If you keep going west you end up in the Far East...

[Ronin Truth]

The 10th amendment is still honored via marriage laws. Once they cross that line with gay marriage ruling then we can officially say the Constitution is meaningless.

Like I said, America is certainly a brain dead vegetable. And I know many people support gay marriage. But whether you support or don't you have to admit even in the secular libertarian sense that it's most certainly a state's rights issue as the institution itself cannot be discriminatory since everyone is allowed to marry within it's parameters because everyone is either a man or a woman biologically. It's the state's perogative to change that definition, most certainly not the federal government by any legal stretch of the imagination. So I'm curious to see what that stretch is going to entail. (And they might uphold the bans, who knows)

But when SCOTUS crosses that line into local civil law then vegetable America has officially flatlined. Then any sense in which someone could say we are a nation of laws or of God is one empty big fat lie.

Thomas Jefferson described the Tenth Amendment as “the foundation of the Constitution” and added, “to take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn … is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition.”

Wasn't that single step beyond, exceeded in the early 1800's?

[LibForestPaul]

Scalia. Alito. Thomas. Dissent.

Yeah, yeah, because they attend different cocktail parties. Nice theater, same bull$#@!.

[rpfocus]

Somebody should give Dylan Roof a 1 day reprieve...

Someone should put Dylan Roof in General Population so he can get some sweet sweet lovin'.

[Pauls' Revere]

With CSA flag going down, TPP going through, Patriot Act II going through, Obamacare being upheld, gay marriage being upheld, all in the same month... it feels like the game Mortal Kombat when your character is wobbling and the screen says "FINISH HIM!"

How fitting Obama is attending a funeral tomorrow. More than just people died this month.

LOL! Yeah the final scene where the player rips the spine out of the dying player and dangles it as blood drips. Someone ought to do a video of that with Lady Liberty getting her spine ripped out and dying...

[RJB]

Of course a court that ruled that corporations are people will agree that we should be forced to buy insurance from the corporations who pull their strings.

[osan]

Not surprised at all by this decision. Roberts is in their Theire pockets.

Acme Sentence Repair Inc. at your service.

[osan]

Yeah, yeah, because they attend different cocktail parties. Nice theater, same bull$#@!.

Strongly agree.

Take Scalia, for instance, in Heller. Out of one side of his mouth he blurts that the 2A speaks to an individual right. In practically the same sentence, from the other side of his yapper, he says that that doesn't mean we cannot limit it. Attention Justice Pinhead: YES IT DOES. How can anyone of presumably nominal intelligence contradict himself with such flaring violence and not want to hang himself from his neck until he shuffles off? The answer: corruption. In the end, it is nothing fancier or more profound than that. He is just another low-rent political hack, walking around with a mattress and cash register strapped to his back.

[osan]

Why do SC judges only move leftward and never to the right? Like throughout modern history? I sense a conspiracy of some type.

Perhaps they have all had Progressive strokes wherein they can now only lean to the left.

[PaleoPaul]

Dang, Scalia was PISSED.

[Pauls' Revere]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ve-no-meaning/

Justice Scalia:

Instead, Scalia noted, the Court had adopted a particular political bent.

He concluded:

We should start calling this law SCOTUScare.

Perhaps the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will attain the enduring status of the Social Security Act or the Taft-Hartley Act; perhaps not. But this Court’s two decisions on the Act will surely be remembered through the years….And the cases will publish forever the discouraging truth that the Supreme Court of the United States favors some laws over others, and is prepared to do whatever it takes to uphold and assist its favorites.

[AuH20]

Since when is it the judicial's responsibility to correct mistakes of the legislative and executive branches?

Roberts argued in his decision that eliminating subsidies would have pulled state healthcare markets into a death spiral. That chain of effects, he added, was not consistent with ObamaCare’s intent.

This is like Bush's nonsensical response about TARP when he stated that he needed to violate free market principles in order to save the free market.