New Fox News poll: Rand tied for 4th at 9%

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

ht tp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/24/fox-news-poll-bush-trump-score-post-announcement-bumps/

When this aired just now, Rand's name was actually above Walker's. Walker was in a second column.


Bush - 15%
Trump - 11%
Carson - 10%
Rand - 9%
Walker - 9%
Rubio - 8%
Huckabee - 6%
Cruz - 4%
Fiorina - 3%
Santorum - 3%
Jindal - 2%

[William Tell]

Good, Rand holding steady. Ouch @Ted Cruz, no wonder he abandoned TPA.

[rich34]

Well, at least this is better than their bs poll with 234 or so participants attempting to persuade public opinion that Jeb's ceiling of support is so high, while Rand's ceiling of support is so low. It's all bs and by far the best tool they have for influencing public opinion for their preferred candidates. If anyone has a realistic/logical way on how to combat this I'd love to hear it because Rand could sure use it.

[Kotin]

I have to wonder at the trump "surge" real or not.. he has never been taken seriously as a candidate so why now (assuming he really is gaining support that isnt fleeting or even real)

[jllundqu]

I listen to a lot of talk radio and the low info crowd LOVES Trump... He could do some damage, especially in the debates with his bull-in-china-shop approach...

[Kotin]

I listen to a lot of talk radio and the low info crowd LOVES Trump... He could do some damage, especially in the debates with his bull-in-china-shop approach...

but why now?? this is not the first time he has done this.. he was a laughing stock last time he tried.. I am just interesting in why now?

[rich34]

I have to wonder at the trump "surge" real or not.. he has never been taken seriously as a candidate so why now (assuming he really is gaining support that isnt fleeting or even real)

Well, you know they gotta keep adding the flavor of the month while keep Jeb at the top to give the appearance that these polls are real due to the constant changing of other candidates. They're going to use full court pressure on the public in support of Jebby boy, just like they did Santorum. Except for Bush they're going to push it the whole damn time not just two weeks leading up to the election because he in reality literally needs that much help along with all his money and super pac money to ensure they can award him the nomination. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to also see them push this to a brokered convention if Rand's grassroots support is enough to overcome their manipulation tactics.

[Sola_Fide]

I have to wonder at the trump "surge" real or not.. he has never been taken seriously as a candidate so why now (assuming he really is gaining support that isnt fleeting or even real)

It's not real.

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

I'm just happy to see a hint that Walker and Rubio are fading. I hope future polls confirm it.

[juleswin]

I expect Carson and Trump numbers to get back down to reality once these 2 novices start talking. Trump is still flying high on his announcing bump (as silly as that sounds) and Carson is taking advantage as the surgeon and only minority in the race, also he is a neurosurgeon for god sake. Hopefully the debates this August would be able to separate the wheat from the chaff

[eleganz]

Its no big surprise Trump got a bump, everyone was expecting him to do as he has always done except this time, he did something unpredictable. He has a big mouth and isn't afraid to talk a little crap, people like that, even I like it.

If Trump's numbers continue doing ok, I expect him to dump tons of cash. He is saying a lot of silly things like building a huge southern wall and "make Mexico pay for it" and people fall for crap like that. He is also playing to people's fear of China.

[jj-]

but why now?? this is not the first time he has done this.. he was a laughing stock last time he tried.. I am just interesting in why now?

You're very unperceptive.

Trump has one characteristic that in the minds of a lot of people is enough to make him better than any major contender:

Non-politician.

Moreover, he has name ID. Polls to a large extend reflect name recognition.

With these two things, it doesn't make sense to expect that he'll poll low.

Also, remember that he surged to the top for a while in the last cycle, even without declaring a run.

[juleswin]

You're very unperceptive.

Trump has one characteristic that in the minds of a lot of people is enough to make him better than any major contender:

Non-politician.

Moreover, he has name ID. Polls to a large extend reflect name recognition.

With these two things, it doesn't make sense to expect that he'll poll low.

Also, remember that he surged to the top for a while in the last cycle, even without declaring a run.

One characteristic doesn't give you high poll numbers. I want to say its the announcement bump but how comes Pataki didn't get one? or Jindal or Fiorina? I have come to believe it not the candidate that is the problem but its the deluded people who support the candidate. They world has bruised and battered them to the point that they looking to a mad man for salvation.

I hope they get the wake up they need for another disappointment.

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

One characteristic doesn't give you high poll numbers. I want to say its the announcement bump but how comes Pataki didn't get one? or Jindal or Fiorina? I have come to believe it not the candidate that is the problem but its the deluded people who support the candidate. They world has bruised and battered them to the point that they looking to a mad man for salvation.

I hope they get the wake up they need for another disappointment.

Trump has a reputation to many as a successful business man. That has been a common refrain, that we need a guy who understands business. Trump claims his business experience makes him a good negotiator, good at "making deals". Trump is also sending a message of playing hardball with our adversaries. A common complaint against Obama is that he lays down to everybody: Iran, China, Mexico, ISIS. Trump has promised to take them on.

That said, Trump has a ton of weaknesses, not the least of which is he often makes offensive statements that turn people off. He's also fast and loose with the facts, which his opponents will pounce on and punish him with. He's also seen as one of the 1% (like Romney), a rich elite who doesn't understand everyday Americans, and it's hard to argue that point.

[juleswin]

Trump has a reputation to many as a successful business man. That has been a common refrain, that we need a guy who understands business. Trump claims his business experience makes him a good negotiator, good at "making deals". Trump is also sending a message of playing hardball with our adversaries. A common complaint against Obama is that he lays down to everybody: Iran, China, Mexico, ISIS. Trump has promised to take them on.

That said, Trump has a ton of weaknesses, not the least of which is he often makes offensive statements that turn people off. He's also fast and loose with the facts, which his opponents will pounce on and punish him with. He's also seen as one of the 1% (like Romney), a rich elite who doesn't understand everyday Americans, and it's hard to argue that point.

Yea, this is illustrates the fickleness of the American voter. One cycle they rail against confrontational leader, then they turn around and cry that this one is not confrontational enough. Even though the two are virtually the same just differing in style. When are those same idiots crying for Trump gonna give Obama the credit from confronting Libya or Iran in Syria and Yemen or even confronting the hell out of Russia?

I long for the days when voting was restricted to property owners, its about time these idiots put their money where their mouth is.

[squirl22]

Trump and Carson have no chance; that puts Rand in second place, tied with Walker, who I don't think has a chance either. I see Rubio as Rand's biggest challenge....he will get the Hispanic vote and the neocon vote. The GOP are committing suicide if they go with Bush...Hillary will win. I think it is looking good...even in a Fox poll.

For those wondering if Trump is a serious threat...the answer is NO.

The bad news for Trump is that only 29 percent of GOP primary voters consider him a serious candidate. More than twice that many -- 64 percent -- think he’s a side show. Among all registered voters, nearly 8 in 10 say Trump is a side show (77 percent).

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...ncement-bumps/

[Kotin]

You're very unperceptive.

Trump has one characteristic that in the minds of a lot of people is enough to make him better than any major contender:

Non-politician.

Moreover, he has name ID. Polls to a large extend reflect name recognition.

With these two things, it doesn't make sense to expect that he'll poll low.

Also, remember that he surged to the top for a while in the last cycle, even without declaring a run.

you obviously shouldn't be giving advice about perception lol as this "amazing" insight you have about trump fails to distinguish this run from the last when he was treated as a joke.. he was still not a politician so yeah whatever.. he had name ID back then too. the guy is mostly seen(correctly) as a clown though.. to most people.

so he was flavor of the minute last time too?? well I guess theres my answer for this time lol

he wont be seen as a contender for long. and I dont see him as one currently. have fun with your trump pipe dream

[Brett85]

Good news for once. This is a lot better than previous polls.

[William Tell]

Good news for once. This is a lot better than previous polls.

9% is the same as Rand pulled in the last Fox poll, which is fine.

[Brett85]

9% is the same as Rand pulled in the last Fox poll, which is fine.

I know, but he had been on the decline in other recent polls that had come out. So staying steady in the Fox News poll is actually good news when compared to the recent polls that have come out.

[timosman]

During lunch caught a glimpse of Fox News and it seemed like he was 9th at 4%, not 4th at 9%. His name was not present in the results from NH poll. Top 5 were seen.

[Brett85]

During lunch caught a glimpse of Fox News and it seemed like he was 9th at 4%, not 4th at 9%. His name was not present in the results from NH poll. Top 5 were seen.

That's a different poll. This is a national poll conducted by Fox News. The poll that Fox News reported on that you saw was a poll done by Suffolk University in New Hampshire which had Rand in 9th with 4%. That's why I was saying that this poll is actually good news when compared to previous polls.

[timosman]

That's a different poll. This is a national poll conducted by Fox News. The poll that Fox News reported on that you saw was a poll done by Suffolk University in New Hampshire which had Rand in 9th with 4%. That's why I was saying that this poll is actually good news when compared to previous polls.

So Fox does not report on it's own poll ?

[Brett85]

So Fox does not report on it's own poll ?

It looks like the first post on this thread contains a screen shot of Fox News covering their poll.

[timosman]

It looks like the first post on this thread contains a screen shot of Fox News covering their poll.

Confused with their blog. The point is they keep showing top stats without his name. Why is NH so important at this point ?

[Brett85]

Confused with their blog. The point is they keep showing top stats without his name. Why is NH so important at this point ?

The state polls in Iowa and New Hampshire are actually a lot more important than the national polls. But that New Hampshire poll that showed Rand doing so poorly seems to be an outlier at this point, as no other NH poll has shown him doing that poorly.

[timosman]

The state polls in Iowa and New Hampshire are actually a lot more important than the national polls. But that New Hampshire poll that showed Rand doing so poorly seems to be an outlier at this point, as no other NH poll has shown him doing that poorly.

This makes things even worse. They decided to show an outlier poll to avoid showing Rand's name.

[dannno]

If the last election is any indication, they are giving each candidate their time in the sun to make people feel like the political landscape is changing and things are moving forward. In reality, it is just a circular game of musical chairs.

Don't be surprised if right before the debates some polls mysteriously get released that have poor results for Rand. This is pretty much all scripted.

[freejack]

“Bush, Walker, Rubio, Clinton, they’re all just spokes on a wheel. This one’s on to top, then that one’s on top and on and on it spins, crushing those on the ground. I’m not going to stop the wheel. I’m going to break the wheel.” If Rand says that, he's got a nice sized donation coming to him.

[chronicaust]

If the last election is any indication, they are giving each candidate their time in the sun to make people feel like the political landscape is changing and things are moving forward. In reality, it is just a circular game of musical chairs.

Don't be surprised if right before the debates some polls mysteriously get released that have poor results for Rand. This is pretty much all scripted.

Basically this, and I won't be surprised when it happens. I only pray that Rand has a strategy to win against an enemy that writes the rules themselves as they go.