The ‘Southern Avenger’ Repents: I Was Wrong About the Confederate Flag

[NewRightLibertarian]

They are coming over the ramparts and people are doing nothing. That's all I see.

Time to take measures into our hands. There is no other possible way for keeping our freedom.

[AuH20]

Time to take measures into our hands. There is no other possible way for keeping our freedom.

The people who think that they can just keep their head down and get along are deeply mistaken. The goalposts are continually being shifted, until one day you'll be living in a 6x6 box.

[Acala]

They are coming over the ramparts and people are doing nothing. That's all I see.

The government of South Carolina taking down a flag is equivalent to an enemy "coming over the ramparts"? I'm not seeing it.

[nobody's_hero]

The government of South Carolina taking down a flag is equivalent to an enemy "coming over the ramparts"? I'm not seeing it.

It's more like they're crawling slowly over the ramparts.

Political correctness has replaced common sense slowly, imperceptibly to the point that even the proverbial frog in boiling water is looking at us saying "WTF is wrong with you people?"

I say that the overwhelming purge going on now (not just flags at state capitol buildings, but museums, toys, church windows, and grave sites, etc) may cause at least a few frogs to jump out. The rest are just gonna stick around in the pot waiting for some moment to 'pick the right battles'.

I've been waiting 28 years so far. We keep waiting and they'll be looking for a place to move our graves.

[phill4paul]

The government of South Carolina taking down a flag is equivalent to an enemy "coming over the ramparts"? I'm not seeing it.

What about disinterring graves in Memphis. It won't stop at flags unless it is stopped at flags.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...edford-Forrest

[Aratus]

"Anti Federalist" in a very recent posting brought up the old story about
KING CANUTE and the sea rising by degrees... its either a metaphor
http://allpoetry.com/King-Canute or more than just an allegory.

King Canute --------- by William Makepeace Thackeray


KING CANUTE was weary hearted; he had reigned for years a score,
Battling, struggling, pushing, fighting, killing much and robbing more;
And he thought upon his actions, walking by the wild sea-shore.

'Twixt the Chancellor and Bishop walked the King with steps sedate,
Chamberlains and grooms came after, silversticks and goldsticks great,
Chaplains, aides-de-camp, and pages,—all the officers of state.

Sliding after like his shadow, pausing when he chose to pause,
If a frown his face contracted, straight the courtiers dropped their jaws;
If to laugh the king was minded, out they burst in loud hee-haws.

But that day a something vexed him, that was clear to old and young:
Thrice his Grace had yawned at table, when his favorite gleemen sung,
Once the Queen would have consoled him, but he bade her hold her tongue.

"Something ails my gracious master," cried the Keeper of the Seal.
"Sure, my lord, it is the lampreys served to dinner, or the veal?"
"Psha!" exclaimed the angry monarch, "Keeper, 'tis not that I feel.

"'Tis the HEART, and not the dinner, fool, that doth my rest impair:
Can a king be great as I am, prithee, and yet know no care?
Oh, I'm sick, and tired, and weary."—Some one cried, "The King's arm-chair!"

Then towards the lackeys turning, quick my Lord the Keeper nodded,
Straight the King's great chair was brought him, by two footmen able-bodied;
Languidly he sank into it: it was comfortably wadded.

"Leading on my fierce companions," cried he, "over storm and brine,
I have fought and I have conquered! Where was glory like to mine?"
Loudly all the courtiers echoed: "Where is glory like to thine?"

"What avail me all my kingdoms? Weary am I now and old;
Those fair sons I have begotten, long to see me dead and cold;
Would I were, and quiet buried, underneath the silent mould!

"Oh, remorse, the writhing serpent! at my bosom tears and bites;
Horrid, horrid things I look on, though I put out all the lights;
Ghosts of ghastly recollections troop about my bed at nights.

"Cities burning, convents blazing, red with sacrilegious fires;
Mothers weeping, virgins screaming vainly for their slaughtered sires.—"
Such a tender conscience," cries the Bishop, "every one admires.

"But for such unpleasant bygones, cease, my gracious lord, to search,
They're forgotten and forgiven by our Holy Mother Church;
Never, never does she leave her benefactors in the lurch.

"Look! the land is crowned with minsters, which your Grace's bounty raised;
Abbeys filled with holy men, where you and Heaven are daily praised:
YOU, my lord, to think of dying? on my conscience I'm amazed!"

"Nay, I feel," replied King Canute, "that my end is drawing near."
"Don't say so," exclaimed the courtiers (striving each to squeeze a tear).
"Sure your Grace is strong and lusty, and may live this fifty year."

"Live these fifty years!" the Bishop roared, with actions made to suit.
"Are you mad, my good Lord Keeper, thus to speak of King Canute!
Men have lived a thousand years, and sure his Majesty will do't.

"Adam, Enoch, Lamech, Cainan, Mahaleel, Methusela,
Lived nine hundred years apiece, and mayn't the King as well as they?"
"Fervently," exclaimed the Keeper, "fervently I trust he may."

"HE to die?" resumed the Bishop. He a mortal like to US?
Death was not for him intended, though communis omnibus:
Keeper, you are irreligious, for to talk and cavil thus.

"With his wondrous skill in healing ne'er a doctor can compete,
Loathsome lepers, if he touch them, start up clean upon their feet;
Surely he could raise the dead up, did his Highness think it meet.

"Did not once the Jewish captain stay the sun upon the hill,
And, the while he slew the foemen, bid the silver moon stand still?
So, no doubt, could gracious Canute, if it were his sacred will."

"Might I stay the sun above us, good sir Bishop?" Canute cried;
"Could I bid the silver moon to pause upon her heavenly ride?
If the moon obeys my orders, sure I can command the tide.

"Will the advancing waves obey me, Bishop, if I make the sign?"
Said the Bishop, bowing lowly, "Land and sea, my lord, are thine."
Canute turned towards the ocean—"Back!" he said, "thou foaming brine.

"From the sacred shore I stand on, I command thee to retreat;
Venture not, thou stormy rebel, to approach thy master's seat:
Ocean, be thou still! I bid thee come not nearer to my feet!"

But the sullen ocean answered with a louder, deeper roar,
And the rapid waves drew nearer, falling sounding on the shore;
Back the Keeper and the Bishop, back the king and courtiers bore.

And he sternly bade them never more to kneel to human clay,
But alone to praise and worship That which earth and seas obey:
And his golden crown of empire never wore he from that day.
King Canute is dead and gone: Parasites exist alway.


© by owner. Added by volunteers for educational purposes and provided at no charge. Dmca
Here (William Makepeace) Thackeray is retelling the legend of Canute, an early King of Britain.
Canute after a long and hectic reign was bemoaning his weakness and age whilst walking on the
sea-shore one day. His courtiers in an effort to curry favour praised him as an omnipotent personage
with God-like powers.
(The Jewish captain is a reference to the Old Testament warrior Joshua - see Joshua chapter 10, verses 12-13.).
The king shows them they are wrong by telling the tide to turn back which, of course, it does not do.
The final line says that the king is dead and gone but idiotic sycophantic courtiers still remain.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

They can take away the confederate flag after they stop buying products made with slave labor from China and other countries. 99% of those idiots are probably fingering their iPhones as we speak. Btw I don't personally know anyone who actually gives 1/10th of a $#@! about this "issue" so I can only assume it's being manufactured by the news.

[LibertyEagle]

Jack just lost any respect I had for him.

[LibForestPaul]

It's more like they're crawling slowly over the ramparts.

Political correctness has replaced common sense slowly, imperceptibly to the point that even the proverbial frog in boiling water is looking at us saying "WTF is wrong with you people?"

I say that the overwhelming purge going on now (not just flags at state capitol buildings, but museums, toys, church windows, and grave sites, etc) may cause at least a few frogs to jump out. The rest are just gonna stick around in the pot waiting for some moment to 'pick the right battles'.

I've been waiting 28 years so far. We keep waiting and they'll be looking for a place to move our graves.

I do not care about this country or its people to pick any battles. Maybe when I am 70 and have nothing to lose.
Right, now, just looking for a nice slave plantation to work on.
How to be a house slave:101.

[nobody's_hero]

I do not care about this country or its people to pick any battles. Maybe when I am 70 and have nothing to lose.
Right, now, just looking for a nice slave plantation to work on.
How to be a house slave:101.

Haha, I'm waiting for this 'collapse' that Ron Paul promised me. I've already got my survival camp planned out and I'm reading everyone else's posts trying to decide which among you I think worthy to share my food. The rest can eat each other.

(I'm joking)




(sort of)

[Ronin Truth]

WANTED!

"NEW" SOUTHERN AVENGER

BALLS ARE REQUIRED!

[Origanalist]

How do you go from Southern Avenger to this in a very short time? I smell a rat.

I thought he neutered himself quite some time ago.

[William Tell]

I thought he neutered himself quite some time ago.

It has become more apparent.

[UWDude]

Detractors like to point out that negro slavery was explicitly protected in the Confederate constitution. However the wording of article 4 section 3, taken as a whole, is clearly nothing more than a reiteration of the Dred Scott decision, enshrined in their constitution.
But the telling thing is that the Article V convention of the CSA constitution calls for a convention to convene at the request of three states.
Not two-thirds of anything - three states. That's it.
All it would have taken to change that part of their constitution is rabblerousing from three states.

No, it would taken a lot more than that, it would have taken those three states convincing the rest. Good luck with that.

Confederate slavery might have lasted into the 1890s if they were left alone. Maybe it would have lasted into the 20th century. But life would have improved for negro slaves throughout that time as industrialization took the south. One has to consider that they weren't just slaves, they were assets, and their owners would have treated them as assets.

They treated them like assets the whole time. Before the importation of slaves was banned, you should read about how these "assets" were treated on slave ships. The inhumanity of it is truly sickening.

So we have to ask hard and honest questions as to whether or not earlier freedom and continually crappy living conditions for the next century was a good tradeoff for the alternate scenario, which would have had another 50 years potentially of people who are technically slaves but who would have to have been educated to keep up with industry, who would eventually would have been freed without so much ill will toward them lingering on to this very day.

You got to be kidding me to say that 50 more years of slavery would have been better. It would have just put black people behind 50 more years. I am sure they still would have had to go through jim crow. It would not have gone over easily, and the elite would not just give up their "assets" or the sake of a better CSA. Yeah, life for black people was bad after the civil war too. It's not the Civil War's fault that most white people hated or looked down on black people, nor is it the civil war's fault now that some white people still hate black people.

That's the part I'm surprised nobody ever mentions about the war between the states. Was it begun over slavery? Everyone believes that regardless of its falsehood. But select few seem to recognize the historical fact that the war left a scar on the United States which, given the fact that we're even talking about this, has not healed.

It was about slavery, when you get right down to it. Yes, the civil war was about slavery.

And to black people, damn straight it was about slavery. There was certainly no doubt about it back then. Confederate army in town? You are a slave. Union army comes to town? You are free.

And the confederate flag? Means slavery to them.

You really wonder what the country would look like without Reconstruction.

For black people, reconstruction was one of the better times of their history. All that was reversed in 50 years, to where the 1920's and 1930's were the worst, post-slavery.

Freedom in Texas against the Mexican government, meant freedom to own slaves, because Mexico had outlawed it long before the US.
Freedom in the CSA meant the freedom to own slaves too.



And seriously, I knew a couple of kids who liked the confederate flag in high school.

They were racists. Not a coincidence.

[Southron]

Part 1 of his 4 part anti-Southern video series.
http://rare.us/story/why-the-confede...odays-america/