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    Donald Trump has the least interventionist plan

    ISIS revenue is from the oil. Trump wants to bomb and take the oil. No need to go and topple Syria like the interventionists want, no need to arm the Kurds as in Rand Paul's plan.

    Ideally I would want a non-interventionist, but from what we have available we can only choose the least interventionist, and that is Donald Trump. Rand Paul wants to redraw the map to give the Kurds a homeland, involve Turkey and a lot of crap. Given the options, I'd prefer just taking the oil.



    At first I wanted Hillary to win so the whole country would explode in her face and Rand wouldn't be blamed for it. But now I'm a little more hopeful, and of all the foreign policy ideas presented so far, Donald Trump has the least interventionist.



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    Are you impressed with Oprah Winfrey as Donald Trump's running mate as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    Are you impressed with Oprah Winfrey as Donald Trump's running mate as well?
    Sure. If you're not going to have the U.S. getting involved in redrawing the map to give the Kurds a homeland, you can put Mickey Mouse as your vice president and that'll be fine with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    ISIS revenue is from the oil. Trump wants to bomb and take the oil. No need to go and topple Syria like the interventionists want, no need to arm the Kurds as in Rand Paul's plan.
    How can you "take the oil" and keep it secured for more than two seconds, by only dropping bombs?
    They confronted me in the day of my calamity, but the Lord was my support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    Sure. If you're not going to have the U.S. getting involved in redrawing the map to give the Kurds a homeland, you can put Mickey Mouse as your vice president and that'll be fine with me.
    Did you miss the part of the interview with O'Reilly where Trump said that he wanted to end the current negotiations with Iran and double or triple sanctions on them? How exactly is that "less interventionist than Rand?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    Did you miss the part of the interview with O'Reilly where Trump said that he wanted to end the current negotiations with Iran and double or triple sanctions on them? How exactly is that "less interventionist than Rand?"
    Rand already voted for sanctions for Iran, so Trump would just be catching up to Rand there.

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    JJ, you convinced me. Trump/Vermin Supreme 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    Rand already voted for sanctions for Iran, so Trump would just be catching up to Rand there.
    Rand is in favor of the current negotiations and opposes new sanctions during the middle of negotiations. Trump wants to blow up the negotiations and double or triple sanctions on Iran. I think you must just be trolling for fun at this point.



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    He sounds like an idiot, but lowkey, he's right. If we bomb ISIS ans take their oil, that's good for America, and bad for ISIS. It doesn't sound like he will commit ground troups or try to nation-build like Rand. He also won't get involved in Syria.

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    Are some of you basically just one issue voters on foreign policy who don't care about any other issues? I mean, foreign policy issues are important enough to me that I wouldn't vote for one of these extremely hawkish Republican candidates in a general election, but I wouldn't ever vote for someone just because I agreed with their foreign policy if I disagreed with them on everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    Are some of you basically just one issue voters on foreign policy who don't care about any other issues? I mean, foreign policy issues are important enough to me that I wouldn't vote for one of these extremely hawkish Republican candidates in a general election, but I wouldn't ever vote for someone just because I agreed with their foreign policy if I disagreed with them on everything else.
    He's more moderate on social issues than every1 except Paul and maybe Cruz. He also would cut taxes tremendously. He's underrated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    He's more moderate on social issues than every1 except Paul and maybe Cruz. He also would cut taxes tremendously. He's underrated
    Are you serious? What good is cutting taxes when he doesn't want to cut any spending? He's talking about spending more on the military and opposes any cuts at all to entitlements. He also supports gun control as he supports a federal ban on "assault weapons." Is that the "socially moderate" view that Trump has that you were talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    Are you serious? What good is cutting taxes when he doesn't want to cut any spending? He's talking about spending more on the military and opposes any cuts at all to entitlements. He also supports gun control as he supports a federal ban on "assault weapons." Is that the "socially moderate" views that Trump has that you were talking about?
    Because tax cuts put wealth back into the private economy....which will be better than higher taxes when the bubble bursts...

    All Republicans support increases in military spending. Including the Pauls. Entitlements...sure. Gun control....sure. One issue... You are seeming to be the one issue voter you criticized

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    The "non-politician" thing really appeals to me, on a gut basis. But I use my brain too, I know he is bad, and wouldn't vote for him. But if there is anger against politicians, and he could exploit it by presenting himself as the non-politician, maybe he has enormous potential. I want someone to push politicians around overturn their tables.
    Last edited by jj-; 06-16-2015 at 08:16 PM.

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    It's hard to attack Trump because he doesn't really have a political career. I kind of enjoy Trump taking command of the interview, making O'Reilly look like the little weasel he is lol Someone needs to make a meme. When Trump says wait, you wait.
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard101 View Post
    Because tax cuts put wealth back into the private economy....which will be better than higher taxes when the bubble bursts...

    All Republicans support increases in military spending. Including the Pauls. Entitlements...sure. Gun control....sure. One issue... You are seeming to be the one issue voter you criticized
    Lol. It seems like some of you just like anti establishment candidates solely because they're anti establishment, even if their political views are diametrically opposed to the principles of liberty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    It's hard to attack Trump because he doesn't really have a political career. I kind of enjoy Trump taking command of the interview, making O'Reilly look like the little weasel he is lol Someone needs to make a meme. When Trump says wait, you wait.
    It's not hard at all to attack him. Any conservative Republican who is considering voting for him won't after the attacks start.

    Clinton, the Democratic front-runner and former New York senator who had some say over policy that could have impacted Trump’s vast business dealings, received donations from both him and son Donald Trump Jr. on separate occasions in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007, according to state and federal disclosure records.
    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...#ixzz3dHQbsbF5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    Lol. It seems like some of you just like anti establishment candidates solely because they're anti establishment, even if their political views are diametrically opposed to the principles of liberty.
    I actually can't think of a candidate in the Republican field father away from Rand's views than Trump. Peter King and Lindsay Graham are objectively more conservative than Trump.

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    One of my favorite parts about a Donald Trump presidency is that he would dismantle the careful work Boehner and McConnell have been doing to pass amnesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    It's not hard at all to attack him. Any conservative Republican who is considering voting for him won't after the attacks start.



    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...#ixzz3dHQbsbF5
    everyone here spouting trump donated to Clinton is like people who wouldn't shut up about Ron Paul's newsletter. With all the dirt on all the other candidates donating to something is on the bottom of the list


    Clinton, the Democratic front-runner and former New York senator who had some say over policy that could have impacted Trump’s vast business dealings, received donations from both him and son Donald Trump Jr. on separate occasions in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007, according to state and federal disclosure records.
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
    - Edward R. Murrow

    ...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.

    How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    everyone here spouting trump donated to Clinton is like people who wouldn't shut up about Ron Paul's newsletter. With all the dirt on all the other candidates donating to something is on the bottom of the list
    I guess if Bernie Sanders had donated money to George W. Bush, that wouldn't be an issue in the Democratic Primary? Get real. Some of you are so anti Rand that you'll support a liberal stooge like Donald Trump just out of spite.

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    ^^ and it's extremely easy to explain the donations, they were bribes so that the government wouldn't go after his companies. If you live in New York, you have to be in good standing with the Democrats who run the place. It's just like paying taxes so that the government doesn't confiscate more of your property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    I guess if Bernie Sanders had donated money to George W. Bush, that wouldn't be an issue in the Democratic Primary? Get real. Some of you are so anti Rand that you'll support a liberal stooge like Donald Trump just out of spite.
    Trump has never held public office. If he liked Hitlery so much he wouldn't be running against her. Unless it's a conspiracy for him to get the nomination and dump the election like Kerry, Cain, and Romney.
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
    - Edward R. Murrow

    ...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.

    How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    ^^ and it's extremely easy to explain the donations, they were bribes so that the government wouldn't go after his companies. If you live in New York, you have to be in good standing with the Democrats who run the place. It's just like paying taxes so that the government doesn't confiscate more of your property.
    Is picking a liberal Democratic Obama supporter as your running mate easy to explain as well?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    everyone here spouting trump donated to Clinton is like people who wouldn't shut up about Ron Paul's newsletter. With all the dirt on all the other candidates donating to something is on the bottom of the list
    How about his donations to Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, Charlie Rangel, Chris Dodd, and John Kerry? He supported Schumer over Al D'Amato and it isn't like D'Amato was a radical right winger. His single biggest donation was 125k to the Democratic Party, besides his donations to the Clinton Foundation. Seems like supporting single payer health care should be a deal killer, no? Support for an assault weapons ban? Supporting a 15% wealth tax for those with net worth's over $10 million? That should be a deal killer, right?
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 06-16-2015 at 08:58 PM.

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    I've not seen the R.O.I. promised from the last war. How can Trump deliver were the last two administrations failed? Democracy isn't cheap. As a major exporter I expect something in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    Is picking a liberal Democratic Obama supporter as your running mate easy to explain as well?
    Picking Oprah is not in the realm of possibility, it was a tease. It might nevertheless help him by persuading Oprah to not go hard attacking him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    How about his donations to Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, Charlie Rangel, Chuck Schumer, and John Kerry? His single biggest donation was 125k to the Democratic Party, besides his donations to the Clinton Foundation. Seems like supporting single payer health care should be a deal killer, no? Support for an assault weapons ban? Supporting a 15% wealth tax for those with net worth's over $10 million? That should be a deal killer, right?
    Nope. The only deal breaker they have is arming the Kurds, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    Is picking a liberal Democratic Obama supporter as your running mate easy to explain as well?
    I thought the whole point of the Ron Paul campaign was to bring the country back to its roots, not be Red vs Blue. This sickens me. And no I'm not voting for Trump, I'm still voting for Rand.
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
    - Edward R. Murrow

    ...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.

    How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    ISIS revenue is from the oil. Trump wants to bomb and take the oil. No need to go and topple Syria like the interventionists want, no need to arm the Kurds as in Rand Paul's plan.
    How is directly bombing and "taking the oil" less interventionist than selling/giving weapons to the Kurds?
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