Dan coats is gonna stand up all night and make sure big government is not listening to your calls.
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Coats and McCain are "filibustering" Rand.
WOOT
I think Rand can get his debate and votes on his amendments without NOT letting the Patriot Act provisions expire.Originally Posted by JJ2
Read this :
h ttp://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/mitch-mcconnell-nsa-patriot-act-surveillance-118453.html?hp=t3_rMitch McConnell expected to swallow USA Freedom Act
The clock ticks to midnight on expiring PATRIOT Act surveillance authority.
By MANU RAJU and SEUNG MIN KIM 5/31/15 8:17 AM EDT Updated 5/31/15 3:42 PM EDT
The Senate is expected to advance the USA Freedom Act as soon as Sunday, despite the opposition from GOP leaders to the House-passed surveillance plan, according to several Republicans.
The ultimate question will be whether detractors like Rand Paul delay final passage of the bipartisan measure past midnight, when three key surveillance authorities expire. Few expect the presidential hopeful, who has called for a repeal of the PATRIOT Act, to relent.
In a rare Sunday session, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is expected to bring the House’s USA Freedom Act back up for another vote, despite his own opposition to the plan. The measure fell three votes short of breaking a filibuster recently, but Senate Republicans are expected this time to let the bill come to the floor for debate. Republicans hope they will be able to amend the plan and send it back to the House, but support for major changes at this late juncture would be an uphill climb.
The GOP Conference is expected to hash out this strategy in a closed-door meeting Sunday afternoon.
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid told POLITICO Sunday he had not spoken to McConnell over the recess but spoke with Paul a “few times” Saturday.
Reid said Democrats “would agree to take” the amendments Paul demanded before the Memorial Day recess, assuming they are “limited to two.” He said the two did not discuss Paul’s demands that they be adopted on a 51-vote threshold, rather than 60.
Asked if he wanted to weigh in on Sunday’s events, McConnell said “not yet” and declined further comment.
Behind the scenes, McConnell and Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) have been working to flesh out an agreement with detractors of the bill for a series of amendments in order to move the final bill toward passage.
Paul announced Saturday that he would not consent to any effort to speed up debate on the House-passed surveillance reform bill – which has wide support on Capitol Hill and is backed by President Barack Obama – nor any extensions of the current law. That would effectively force the controversial national security law, enacted in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, to expire at least temporarily.
“I am ready and willing to start the debate on how we fight terrorism without giving up our liberty,” the Kentucky senator and 2016 hopeful said in a statement on Saturday announcing his plans to block any movement on surveillance legislation. “Sometimes when the problem is big enough, you just have to start over.”
Paul’s aggressive approach is sure to frustrate fellow senators who are pushing for an overhaul of the controversial National Security Agency programs and believe that passage of an alternate NSA reform bill is inevitable.
“Sen. Paul and I share similar concerns about the collection of bulk metadata,” Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union.” But “we do differ [on strategy] … I don’t agree with his approach and I’ve taken a different approach here.”
The Obama administration has warned repeatedly of serious national security risks if the PATRIOT Act provisions — the most controversial of which is the bulk phone records program first revealed by Edward Snowden — are allowed to expire.
“I don’t want us to be in a situation in which, for a certain period of time, those authorities go away, and suddenly we’re dark, and heaven forbid we’ve got a problem where we could’ve prevented a terrorist attack or could’ve apprehended someone who was engaged in dangerous activity but we didn’t do so simply because of inaction of the Senate,” Obama said Friday. “So I have indicated to Leader McConnell and other senators I expect them to take action and take action swiftly.”
Kentucky Republican gubernatorial candidate Matt Bevin addresses the media following the results of the recanvas of the state primary, Friday May 29, 2015, in Frankfort, Ky. A review of the primary election certified that Bevin defeated second place finisher James Comer by 83 votes. (AP Photo/Timothy D. Easley)
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McConnell, who has been staunchly opposed to the PATRIOT Act revisions passed by the House, is still hoping for an 11-hour deal that gives the Senate time to iron out what many Republicans see as flaws with the popular House bill. The majority leader appeared likely to move the House bill despite his own opposition, according to sources, because of the broad support for the USA Freedom Act in Congress.
Senate Republicans will meet privately at 5 p.m. at the Capitol to strategize on the issue.
“The leader has called the Senate back prior to the expiration of the expiring provisions to make every effort to provide the intelligence community with the tools it needs to combat terror,” McConnell spokesman Don Stewart said Saturday in response to Paul’s threat.
Paul’s procedural war against the controversial Bush-era national security law was not a surprise, considering he’s seized on privacy issues as his defining platform as he runs for the White House.
He staged a marathon talk-a-thon earlier this month and thwarted McConnell’s attempts to keep the government surveillance programs alive for even a day. He has roused supporters on Twitter with claims of an upcoming “spy state showdown,” and insisted in an interview last week that he was being reasonable with his demands for amendment votes aimed at unraveling the PATRIOT Act.
Without consent from Paul or other like-minded lawmakers, the Senate could still go through the procedural hoops to advance and ultimately approve surveillance legislation. It just would take considerably longer and would certainly blow through the PATRIOT Act’s expiration date, unless Congress quickly moves to briefly extend those provisions – which Paul has also threatened to block.
Even if the Senate were to somehow get Paul to go along, the House would present another challenge.
If the Senate passes anything other than the USA Freedom Act, the House will have to greenlight it as well. House lawmakers won’t be able to vote on anything until they return to Washington on Monday evening — hours after the PATRIOT Act provisions would’ve expired.
Democrats have aligned almost unanimously behind the USA Freedom Act, which cleared the House with 338 votes and earned the endorsement of the Obama administration. Senate Democrats and key GOP backers of the bill have pressured McConnell for a vote on the House measure, arguing that it would easily pass the chamber once the majority leader stops whipping his members against it.
“Because opponents of reform have run out the clock and jam the Senate, we are not left with much time,” Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, the chief Senate Democratic sponsor of the USA Freedom Act, plans to say when the Senate returns Sunday. “But the Senate could consider a limited number of amendments now. We can get this done today. If we pass the USA FREEDOM Act, the President can sign it tonight.”
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pretty hectic here. rand showing his skills w/ roberts rules
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
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...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
damn, WTF is going on???
McCain seemed so obviously petty.
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All of his "friends" in the Senate and he can't even get it seconded?
John McCain and Dan Coats are making my blood boil
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I suggest McCain learn basic math and how to count time.
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It's hard for me to imagine Mitch wasn't in on any of this, because if that's the case it would give Mitch an easy excuse to not back Rand's campaign.
quorum call A procedure used in both houses of Congress to bring to the floor the number of Members of the House or Senate who must be present for it to conduct its business. In the Senate, a Senator who has the floor can force a quorum call at almost any time by suggesting the absence of quorum. The presiding officer usually cannot count to determine whether or not a quorum is present. So when a Senator “suggests the absence of a quorum,” the presiding officer directs the Clerk to call the roll of Senators aloud by name. If a majority of Senators respond, a quorum is present and the Senate can return to its business. However, a quorum call in the Senate usually has a different purpose: most often it is a strategic move that is used to delay proceedings for a variety of reasons — for example, to conduct informal negotiations on or off the Senate floor, or to await a Senator who is expected to make a speech or propose an amendment. If the purpose of a quorum call actually is to bring a majority of Senators to the floor, it is known as a “live” quorum call. A quorum call in the House seeks to bring a majority of Members to the floor to record their presence after the absence of a quorum has been established. In the House, a Member makes a point of order that a quorum is not present, usually only when a vote is taking place. The Speaker (or the Chairman of the Committee of the Whole) then counts to determine if a quorum is present. If a majority of Members fail to respond to a quorum call, the House must adjourn or take steps to secure the attendance of enough Members to constitute a quorum.
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
It's hard for me to imagine Mitch wasn't in on any of this, because if that's the case it would give Mitch an easy excuse to not back Rand's campaign.
Coats and McCain making my blood boil.
Get 'em Rand!
Will you kindly add my Live Blog to the links? http://iroots.org/2015/05/31/live-bl...d-patriot-act/
My blood is boiling with what they are just now trying to pull on us and Rand!
Rand making me proud right now--speaking in ringing tones
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H. L. Mencken said it best:
“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
Ohhh Rand sounds super pissed
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McCain is a fool.
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Will someone kindly add my Live Blog link? Here: http://iroots.org/2015/05/31/live-bl...d-patriot-act/
'I'm not going to take it any more!"
Brawndo's got what plants crave. Its got electrolytes.
H. L. Mencken said it best:
“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
GO RAND! I hope he actually has more than five minutes to speak.
Get it Rand.
They confronted me in the day of my calamity, but the Lord was my support.
Yup, the media is going to eat this all up. Rand's team played this all very well. There will be donations coming in once the media starts playing his epic speech over and over.
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Yup, the media is going to eat this all up. Rand's team played this all very well. There will be donations coming in once the media starts playing his epic speech over and over.
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Alright Rand, love the passion, its real.
Why would cspan cut him off?
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Ironic that Rand's speech to a completely EMPTY Senate chamber will be the most heard speech by the American people.
Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law. -Douglas Hofstadter
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That was great, Rand was genuinely pissed off
That will be a good five-minute youtube of Rand that Rand got in before they recess.
McCain is gonna be fodder for jokes . . . Rand was a little too fast and quick-witted fer' ya' McCain ?
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