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Thread: *LIVE STREAM* Rand Paul to end Patriot Act - Sunday 4pm EST

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    If the Senate passes anything other than the USA Freedom Act, the House will have to greenlight it as well. House lawmakers return to Washington on Monday evening and will have to decide if any changes made by McConnell are acceptable.
    This is good. The fight is just beginning. The House will basically start over now, since the Patriot Act is now out of the way. Many of the concessions made in the House on the Freedom Act were because it was "better than" the Patriot Act.

    So begins round 2, the fight over the Amendments....
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  3. #332
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    This is good. The fight is just beginning. The House will basically start over now, since the Patriot Act is now out of the way. Many of the concessions made in the House on the Freedom Act were because it was "better than" the Patriot Act.

    So begins round 2, the fight over the Amendments....
    I don't think that the House is going to just roll over and play dead with whatever amended version the Senate sends back to them. This could be the beginning of a protracted back-and-forth. And, the longer we go without a replacement for the expired provisions of the so-called Patriot Act, without the world coming to an end, the more likely it becomes that those provisions are replaced by...nothing.
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  4. #333
    Quote Originally Posted by francisco View Post
    I don't think that the House is going to just roll over and play dead with whatever amended version the Senate sends back to them. This could be the beginning of a protracted back-and-forth. And, the longer we go without a replacement for the expired provisions of the so-called Patriot Act, without the world coming to an end, the more likely it becomes that those provisions are replaced by...nothing.
    I'm definitely missing something here...didn't Mitch just totally screw himself by amending the bill instead of passing it? Now he may get nothing. No? Why does he think that the House will rubber stamp his amendment?

    Also: Can we have a news interview with Mitch and ask him which lobbyists wrote his amendment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by francisco View Post
    I don't think that the House is going to just roll over and play dead with whatever amended version the Senate sends back to them. This could be the beginning of a protracted back-and-forth. And, the longer we go without a replacement for the expired provisions of the so-called Patriot Act, without the world coming to an end, the more likely it becomes that those provisions are replaced by...nothing.
    Bingo

    Right about now, McCain and Graham in the their underwater volcano lair must be all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    I'm definitely missing something here...didn't Mitch just totally screw himself by amending the bill instead of passing it? Now he may get nothing. No? Why does he think that the House will rubber stamp his amendment?

    Also: Can we have a news interview with Mitch and ask him which lobbyists wrote his amendment?
    Yeah, amending it does come with some risk of further delay, but maybe since it's already delayed past the deadline he sees an opportunity. It did overwhelmingly pass the House so it has a good chance of passing again with some tweaks. Although, if it is McConnell's amendments and not Rand's amendments, I think they may be taking the bill in the wrong direction.
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  7. #336
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Bingo

    Right about now, McCain and Graham in the their underwater volcano lair must be all...
    At first I read this as "McCain and Graham in their underwear.." Not sure how my mind went there..



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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    At first I read this as "McCain and Graham in their underwear.." Not sure how my mind went there..
    Mindbleach needed now
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    H. L. Mencken said it best:


    “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”


    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

  10. #338
    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    I'm definitely missing something here...didn't Mitch just totally screw himself by amending the bill instead of passing it? Now he may get nothing. No? Why does he think that the House will rubber stamp his amendment?
    McConnell didn't amend the bill. He filled the amendment tree. It's a procedural tactic to block other Senators from offering amendments and only his amendments can be voted on. His amendments probably won't pass and the Senate will likely pass the bill unamended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsai3904 View Post
    McConnell didn't amend the bill. He filled the amendment tree. It's a procedural tactic to block other Senators from offering amendments and only his amendments can be voted on. His amendments probably won't pass and the Senate will likely pass the bill unamended.
    Ah! Interesting. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    At first I read this as "McCain and Graham in their underwear.." Not sure how my mind went there..


    Quote Originally Posted by francisco View Post
    Mindbleach needed now
    And now you're gonna need some eyebleach, too ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post




    And now you're gonna need some eyebleach, too ...
    I looked for that lemon party gif but came up empty.
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    This has been an emotional day for us supporters of Paul and the rule of law! Just want to raise a glass to my brothers (includes sisters) in arms for the cause of Freedom!

    I've learned over the years here to not be so invested in politics (following Jesus is way more scary/interesting), but tonight isn't for big debates--it's a tiny victory for justice against the oppressors of the oppressed. Hazzah!!

  15. #343
    Quote Originally Posted by tsai3904 View Post
    McConnell didn't amend the bill. He filled the amendment tree. It's a procedural tactic to block other Senators from offering amendments and only his amendments can be voted on. His amendments probably won't pass and the Senate will likely pass the bill unamended.
    He brought up stuff about the military budget, a beer week observance and an appointments bill. It wasn't all about NSA.

    It looked shady but maybe it's standard procedure. Dunno. Though the President acknowledged "seconds" that didn't exist and counted McConnell's silent and sole "aye" votes as passing whatever he was offering up.
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  16. #344
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    These Senators are retarded, they want to yap yap yap about doing the right thing and getting the proper legislation passed at the right time and they use this time to bull$#@! about how sorry they are for Joe Biden. There is a time for legislation and there is a time for mourning outside of the session.
    C'mon, Joe is important.



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  18. #345
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post




    And now you're gonna need some eyebleach, too ...



  19. #346
    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    Since the vote next week will essentially be to reinstate the Patriot Act, does that mean that the house will have to vote on the USA Freedom Act again as well?
    If the Senate Amends it, the House will have to vote on concurrence.

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    And Rand Paul did it.

    So what's about to expire now? The "FREEDOM" Act?
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