Pro-Paul group unleashes fiery attack ad

[devil21]

Did anybody really expect better from Benton??? A big part of his "job" is to take down Rand (and the Pauls as a presidential political force) from the inside. If people haven't figured that out yet then they haven't been paying enough attention to the details.

[garyallen59]

This is what low budget, trying to look amateur, hilarious, looks like when made by professionals.

By the way folks watch this it's great.

[Brian4Liberty]

Probably not the best idea to be "negative" about Cruz directly, even though he has thrown a few barbs at Rand in the past. He is often on the same side. It might be more helpful just to point out positions that Cruz has been taking that are not popular with most of his supporters, such as supporting TPA/TPP, and supporting increased immigration. That is news to a lot of his supporters, except the ones in the media, who do their best to cover up when Cruz takes a position they know will be unpopular.

[Crashland]

[Rudeman]

The correct course of action is just to send money and to STFU? Been there. Done that. No thanks. Clear reasoned thinking requires critique.

cri·tique
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noun
1.
a detailed analysis and assessment of something, especially a literary, philosophical, or political theory.

Nope, but I can't even tell you how many times people have declared that Rand's presidential chances are over or something similar to that. There's rational/reasoned criticism and then there's overreaction/irrational criticism.

[afwjam]

I'm no Benton fan, but I think it's alright as a viral web video.

[eleganz]

So I have a friend who refuses to register as a Republican sharing this video and saying its funny.

[TaftFan]

Dammit
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...dian-ted-cruz/

[Matt Collins]

For all those who think this ad is somehow "harmful" ... I would like to see your polling data on how the average voter reacts to the ad... tell us please how many people you polled to know that the ad was a disaster....


Oh, and nevermind the fact that almost no voters will actually ever see it

[Crashland]

Dammit
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...dian-ted-cruz/

From the article:

Technically, the ad is not endorsed by Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY)’s campaign, but the Super PAC is endorsed by Paul and led by former campaign strategist Jesse Benton, who married into the Paul family and worked for not only Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY)s Senate campaign but also Ron Paul’s 2008 presidential campaign.

How can the Super PAC be endorsed by Paul?

[Danke]

Oh, and nevermind the fact that almost no voters will actually ever see it

Then why your thumbs up? I thought you were the expert in campaigning techniques.

[Matt Collins]

People, this is supposed to be a cheesy ad that people talk about how cheesy it is so even more people watching and tell other people how cheesy it is. The point is to get you to remember that something is going to happen Sunday.

You're all here crying about how much it sucked but it worked on you, didn't it?

The same Jesse Benton and John Tate that were senior officials in Ron Paul's official campaign that made the big dog ad are the same senior officials that made this ad. You think they can't replicate the quality and messaging of the big dog ad if they wanted to?

This is supposed to be an internet campaign, how is this so much different than the other ridiculous internet memes and videos that have been talked about so much.

Is RPF so blinded with hatred for Benton that you guys can't see the blatantly obvious? :roll eyes:

Exactly. Nail on the head.

[Matt Collins]

Teh Collinz will call grassroots efforts infantile and destructive to the official campaign.

Only the ones that are

[staerker]

Ah. The 2016 season has officially begun.

[kahless]

Probably not the best idea to be "negative" about Cruz directly, even though he has thrown a few barbs at Rand in the past. He is often on the same side. It might be more helpful just to point out positions that Cruz has been taking that are not popular with most of his supporters, such as supporting TPA/TPP, and supporting increased immigration. That is news to a lot of his supporters, except the ones in the media, who do their best to cover up when Cruz takes a position they know will be unpopular.

I agree but wish Cruz would just go back to playing Reverend Newlin in True Blood.

[Matt Collins]

Then why your thumbs up? I thought you were the expert in campaigning techniques.

Because the ad has a very specific purpose, and winning over voters is probably not one of them. There are other reasons to run ads besides just winning votes (such as drawing attention to something the opposition doesn't want, or trying to get the opposition to respond and get them off message, or branding, etc).

[Matt Collins]

Could this ad be Rand Paul's "Howard Dean" moment?

This actually makes me ashamed to be a supporter. I feel embarassed watching it.

Jesse Benton does not have the experience, the demeanor, or even the maturity one would expect from the leader of a large organization. It's like sticking a little league pitcher in a big league game. He's just out of place, an obstuction in the organization. All workflow is intentionally diverted around him to avoid his clumsy touch. Like a boulder sitting in the middle of a stream.

The first rule of business, is you never hire your family. The chances that the best possible person for the job just happens to also be your family member is about 1000 to 1. Keep in mind, Benton didn't get to his position because of his qualifications, he got there out of nepotism. And the movement has had a heck of a time trying to get rid of him. He's digging in his fingernails, clinging to us like a tick on a wolfs back. We need to shake him off.

Keeping Benton away from the campaign was a great move by Rand. Political campaigns are more than just a test of political persuasion, it's also a test to see which candidate has the chops to successfully lead an organization and hire the right people for the job. This is where Ron failed, and Rand is succeeding. But letting Benton head the SuperPac? Foolish. Like when I was a kid, my mom would tell me to pick up my clothes, so I just shoved them all under the bed. I didn't solve the problem, I just tried to conceal it.

Sometimes you have to be the bad guy. If someone is overpromoted, you need to cut them down to size. If someone is repeatedly screwing up, you need to let him go. Because in the end, it's not about him, it's about the final product you are presenting to the consumer. It's about the jobs of everyone else in the company that are at risk because of the bumbling manager.

You don't have any clue what you're talking about...

[Natural Citizen]

Whoah. It worked? Heh...

http://rt.com/usa/263381-super-pac-casts-rand-wwe/

You know we get billions of views at RT on these articles and op-eds. Youtube alone has already surpassed 3 billion views which leads any news network on youtube. Scwewy stuff. Seems like the silly stuff wins out in society these days.

Comments are now open. Who wants to comment first?

[Danke]

Because the ad has a very specific purpose, and winning over voters is probably not one of them. There are other reasons to run ads besides just winning votes (such as drawing attention to something the opposition doesn't want, or trying to get the opposition to respond and get them off message, or branding, etc).

Well then, it is brilliant! Who needs voters when you are trying to win an election.

[cajuncocoa]

LOL
http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/29/86...triot-act-vote

[Crashland]

Think it will make Drudge?

[Brian4Liberty]

Dammit
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...dian-ted-cruz/

And not even a passing mention of the fact that Rand and Cruz were on opposite sides of the TPA/TPP votes. Imagine that. An article about their differences ignores the other big vote where they disagreed.

[timosman]

You don't have any clue what you're talking about...

Care to elaborate ?

[Brett85]

That was an absolutely awful ad. One of the worst I've ever seen.

[GunnyFreedom]

The comments on the Breitbart article clearly demonstrate why attacking Cruz at this point in time was a really stupid idea.

ETA -- Breitbart, which has been overwhelmingly favorable to Paul so far, has just united in hatred of Paul and support of Cruz.

Great job dimwits.

[TaftFan]

Care to elaborate ?

Don't ask.

[Brett85]

Kind of reminds me of this ad. Except that Herman Cain's ad was at least humorous and epic because of its oddness.

[Brian4Liberty]

Dammit
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...dian-ted-cruz/

My response:

[Matt Collins]

The comments on the Breitbart article clearly demonstrate why attacking Cruz at this point in time was a really stupid idea.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter

[adelina]

The comments on the Breitbart article clearly demonstrate why attacking Cruz at this point in time was a really stupid idea.

ETA -- Breitbart, which has been overwhelmingly favorable to Paul so far, has just united in hatred of Paul and support of Cruz.

Great job dimwits.

No. Matthew Boyle has been favorable to Paul. Breitbart is a Cruz support site and has been so for at least half a year. There are plenty of Cruz and Walker shills there.