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    Why men won't marry you

    Why men won't marry you

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/...ntcmp=features

    Where have all the husbands gone?

    That’s a question Peter Lloyd tackles in a series in London’s Daily Mail about Britain’s marriage rate, which is at its lowest level since 1895. “The state of matrimony is not just ailing. It is dying out faster than a mobile phone battery,” Lloyd writes. “For an army of women, Mr. Right is simply not there, no matter how hard they look for him.”

    Things are no better this side of the Atlantic. According to Pew Research Center, the share of American adults who’ve never been married is at an historic high—and men are more likely than women to have never made it down the aisle (23% vs. 17% in 2012).

    There was a time when wives respected their husbands. There was a time when wives took care of their husbands as they expected their husbands to take care of them.
    What gives? Why are men here and abroad avoiding the altar in spades?

    1. Because they can: Men used to marry to have sex and a family. They married for love, too, but they had to marry the girl before taking her to bed, or at least work really, really hard to wear her down. Those days are gone.

    When more women make themselves sexually available, the pool of marriageable men diminishes. “In a world where women do not say no, the man is never forced to settle down and make serious choices,” writes George Gilder, author of "Men and Marriage."

    Scoff if you wish. Call me a fuddy-duddy. But how’s that new plan working out?

    2. Because there’s nothing in it for them: What exactly does marriage offer men today? “Men know there’s a good chance they’ll lose their friends, their respect, their space, their sex life, their money and — if it all goes wrong — their family,” says Helen Smith, Ph.D., author of "Men on Strike." “They don’t want to enter into a legal contract with someone who could effectively take half their savings, pension and property when the honeymoon period is over.Men aren’t wimping out by staying unmarried or being commitment phobes. They’re being smart.”

    Unlike women, men lose all power after they say “I do.” Their masculinity dies, too.

    What’s left of it, that is. In the span of just a few decades, America has demoted men from respected providers and protectors of the family to superfluous buffoons. Today’s sitcoms and commercials routinely paint a portrait of the idiot husband whose wife is smarter and more capable than he.

    There was a time when wives respected their husbands. There was a time when wives took care of their husbands as they expected their husbands to take care of them.

    Or perhaps therein lies the rub. If women no longer expect or even want men to “take care of” them — since women can do everything men can do and better, thank you very much, feminism — perhaps the flipside is the assumption that women don’t need to take care of husbands, either. And if no one’s taking care of anyone, why the hell marry?

    For women, the reason is obvious: kids. Eventually most women decide they want children, no matter how long they put it off to focus on their careers. So they often nab the best guy they can find, usually the one with whom they’re currently sleeping, and convince him to get married.

    If the man refuses, we call him, as Smith notes, a “commitment phobe.” But is that fair? Perhaps these men know all too well that women initiate the vast majority of divorces — anywhere from 65-90 percent, depending on demographics. And when they do, they take the kids with them and hang hubby out to dry with the help of a court system that’s heavily stacked in their favor. In the past, Mom got the kids because she was home with them doing the thankless, unpaid, mountainous work associated with that role. Today, neither parent is home, so there’s no reason the default custodial parent should be Mom.

    So remind me, why would a man marry today?

    No, really. What’s in it for him?



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    Bingo.

    The pill and family court have ruined the institution of stable nuclear families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Why men won't marry you


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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post

    Don't $#@! up!

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    It's because teh gays are destroying marriage. Just ask Rick Santorum.

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    Great post. The studies I have been doing lately point to a growing crisis where there is a shortage of men. there are plenty of males, but there is a real lack of men who are acting as men should.

    Boys are more interested in playing their video games, drinking beer and watching sports, sleeping with whoever opens thier legs. They spend money frivolously and leave their families to bear the brunt of financial irresponsibility.

    Men are focused on engaging a woman to support her to be all she is created to be as a woman. They work hard at work, then work harder at home, knowing that when the work day is over the work is not done. He is focused on engaging his children regularly and meaningfully, showing them how a man should act and treat others, particularly his wife. He is sacrificing everything pleasurable to boys to the gain of lifelong love and strength in his family.

    I am 29 and still growing as a man, but I know that the strides I have made place me in a tier above most other males and people recognize that almost immediately. The changes I have made in my life over the last couple years have enhanced the value that my wife finds in me, and my daughter adores me, and will likely seek the same in a man of her own. She gets attention now and has a ear she can tug on, so she won't be seeking shallow relationships with boys, but will wait until she finds a man of her own.

    Sadly there will be a shortage when its time, bt she will have the best chance possible.

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    I think we went through a phase of Career Stability that has drastically shrunk. Maybe guys are settling for having some fun as a bachelor mostly because it's what they can realistically afford.

    They look at marriage as both a serious commitment and a big risk if things do work out. If they're lucky, they survive the divorce and still have partial custody.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    meh.
    No men want to marry you?

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    Because it is cheaper to rent.
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    As its done for everything, government has destroyed the institution of marriage and the institution of the family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    No men want to marry you?
    Buncha women whining meanwhile I haven't even been on a date in like 12 years. Keep picking $#@!s and then be all surprised that you married an $#@!. Not impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Buncha women whining meanwhile I haven't even been on a date in like 12 years. Keep picking $#@!s and then be all surprised that you married an $#@!. Not impressed.


    If I weren't married, I would go on a date with you but I ain't gonna pick ticks off of ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post


    If I weren't married, I would go on a date with you but I ain't gonna pick ticks off of ya.
    LOL I have yet to meet a married woman who doesn't think I'm awesome, not in the last 20+ years. Story of my life. Single women however, seem to think I've got the plague. It's all, "Men are such $#@!s. Hey look, there's a nice guy, $#@! him, I'm gonna marry this $#@! instead." (marries an $#@!) "Aww, you are such a perfect guy. If I weren't married..."

    That's my life for the last 23 years. I've pretty much given up now. I'm not going to turn into an $#@!. I've been blackballed on account of my foray into politics so I am unlikely to get rich, or even make what I was making before I ran for office, so gold diggers are out too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    LOL I have yet to meet a married woman who doesn't think I'm awesome, not in the last 20+ years. Story of my life. Single women however, seem to think I've got the plague. It's all, "Men are such $#@!s. Hey look, there's a nice guy, $#@! him, I'm gonna marry this $#@! instead." (marries an $#@!) "Aww, you are such a perfect guy. If I weren't married..."

    That's my life for the last 23 years. I've pretty much given up now. I'm not going to turn into an $#@!. I've been blackballed on account of my foray into politics so I am unlikely to get rich, or even make what I was making before I ran for office, so gold diggers are out too.
    HB is single.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    Suzanne Venker, a woman, explaining to men why men won't marry. Gotta shake your head in wonder why any man would listen.

    Suzanne Venker, who is married to a un-divorced man (her reference point?), explaining to men why men won't marry. If you're a man, you really ought to be doing one of those Lewis Black jowl-shaking scenes of incredulous amazement.

    Suzanne Venker looks at the marriages of her parent's and grandparent's generation as though it represents "traditional" marriage and somehow represents the true form and circumstances that allow marriages to succeed.

    From what I can see, though, each succeeding generation has contributed to the decay of “Traditional” marriage. If I'm not mistaken, marriage was initially a contract not between husband and wife, but between the heads of household of two families. If lucky, the potential husband and wife were consulted in the matter. You might well argue that the breakdown of arranged marriages was the straw that broke marriage's back. What kind of legs could marriage stand upon if left to the lusts and emotions of the two individuals who were going to be cohabiting and rearing children? A working marriage requires the husband's and wife's families actively involved in keeping the marriage healthy. A marriage is effectively a business from which both families derive a profit. How often do you find that anymore; especially when thousands, or even merely hundreds, of miles separate the two families involved. By that perspective you can blame marriage demise more on mobility than on feminism.

    There's that cute little tradition, that's merely a formality these days: where a man asks a father for the hand of his daughter in marriage. I'm left wondering at what epoch did men start asking for brides instead of fathers negotiating for husbands for their daughters. That would seem, to me, to be a critical time for the breakdown of traditional marriage. It marks a time when the value of men diminished with respect to women. What caused that transition? Does it mark the start of feminism?

    If you're a bitter, divorced man looking wistfully at traditional marriages of the past - I'd have to ask, "How much of a dowry did your father receive in exchange for his son marrying the bride?" If it was nothing, then your family (and you, by extension only) got the marriage it negotiated for. By traditional measures, your anger and shame should be less with your bride and more with your father for being such a poor negotiator.

    I’ve never been married (over six decades now). I haven’t run into a non-divorced woman since I was in my thirties (so none of my dating partners have any credence when they argue about commitment issues – because they didn’t keep theirs). I just see marriage as completely irrelevant. If a woman’s going to leave me because I won’t marry her, then it’s a good sign that she’s going to leave me anyway – it’s an indication that there’s something more important to her than her relationship with me (i.e.: she’s just not that “in to me”).
    ... and besides, I disagree with that whole traditional concept - I was just never into having my family negotiate a bride for me
    I didn't mean to get all maudlin, but when women say these kinds of things it annoys the hell out of me, because it's simply not true. They are pissed because some billionaire Mr. Universe won't marry them. Cry me a f'n river. There are plenty of us who have wanted to fall in love and get married our entire lives. Piss off Suzanne Venker.

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    I was married once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I was married once.
    You should try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    You should try again.
    Why?
    "The Patriarch"

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    Honestly, I'd be hard pressed to let a girl into my home or be around one, without witnesses.
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    I'm not a youngster anymore so I don't have the insecurity monkey on my back. If I wasn't married already I would be happy being a hermit.

    I also think though that it takes longer for young men to get established financially these days and that could also contribute to not getting married like they used to.

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    I'll bet my being a heterosexual may have a whole lot to do with it. Plus I'm already married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Why?
    'Cause I need a laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    'Cause I need a laugh.
    Sadist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    Suzanne Venker is the niece of Phyllis Schlafley, and is of the same philosophical perspective.


    And when they refer to feminism, they're not referring merely the to the radical gender feminism that's out on the edge ... but any cultural perspective that would deny the husband as ultimate decision maker in marriage.

    Sooooo; basically, women - if you want husbands then you'll have to "submit" to that wifely role, and do what hubby says to.
    I think a successful wife only pretends to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    As its done for everything, government has destroyed the institution of marriage and the institution of the family.
    "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Sola_Fide again."

    All done by design. No strong family units, no strong country.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Sola_Fide again."

    All done by design. No strong family units, no strong country.

    Yes. By design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    All done by design. No strong family units, no strong country.
    The one thing that stands against the State, more than anything in this world, is the patriarchal family.

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