Illegal Immigrant Charged With Rape, Sodomy Of 10-Year-Old Alabama Girl

[AuH20]

Note- illegal immigrants are not eligible for Federal benefits like food stamps, Medicare/ Medicaid, Obamacare, Social Security.

Their children are elgible. Secondly, they are eligible for the earned income tax credit. S.S. benefits are coming in 2017.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...efits-in-2017/

Thirdly, they are never turned away from school registration nor EMTALA mandated medical treatment. Some generous benefactors are paying for this.

[Zippyjuan]

https://news.vice.com/article/unauth...er-last-decade

Unauthorized Immigrants Paid $100 Billion Into Social Security Over Last Decade


Stephen Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration (SSA), told VICE News that an estimated 7 million people are currently working in the US illegally. Of those, he estimates that about 3.1 million are using fake or expired social security numbers, yet also paying automatic payroll taxes. Goss believes that these workers pay an annual net contribution of $12 billion to the Social Security Trust Fund.

The SSA estimates that unauthorized workers have paid a whopping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade. Yet as these people are in the US illegally, it is unlikely that they will be able to benefit from their contributions later in life.

They are also paying state income taxes, sales taxes, and property taxes.

http://reason.org/news/show/122411.html

The fact that illegal immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two-thirds of illegal immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes. Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation's hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don't pay for.

In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization. The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education.

What's more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they'll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the "earnings suspense file" — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year.

Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children. The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families � most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume.

Things like schooling or driver's licenses are decided by states.

Illegal immigrants make up 3.5% of the population (down from 4% in 2007) and yet comprise 5.1% of the labor force meaning they are much more likely to have jobs (and be productive) than citizens. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...on-in-the-u-s/

Unauthorized immigrants make up 5.1% of the U.S. labor force. In the U.S. labor force, there were 8.1 million unauthorized immigrants either working or looking for work in 2012. Among the states, Nevada (10%), California (9%), Texas (9%) and New Jersey (8%) had the highest shares of unauthorized immigrants in their labor forces.

8.1 million in the labor force out of 11.2 million or 72% in the labor force. Citizen labor force participation rate is about 63%.

[DFF]

They take a lot more than they give.
Also, most illegal immigrants have low IQ's ranging in the 80's.
They dilute national IQ, and making the nation as a whole far less intelligent.

And for the people who don't think IQ matters, read Richard Lynn's IQ and the wealth of nations.

[Christian Liberty]

Things like schooling or driver's licenses are decided by states.

See, a conservative looks at something like this and says "Oh my goodness, they're giving driver's licenses to illegals! How could they?"

A libertarian looks at this and says "why the heck do we need govt. permission to drive on roads we paid for!

[Zippyjuan]

So what is the goal? Stopping the "flood" of illegal immigrants into the US? That stopped almost eight years ago- net immigration since then has basically been zero (for those from Mexico- a net million have actually gone the other way- most immigrants today both legal and illegal are coming from Asia- a bigger fence with Mexico won't stop them).

Is it to get rid of everybody here? How would you suggest that is done? How do you determine who "belongs" and who does not?

Is there a Free Market Libertarian way to deal with the situation or do we need bigger government to deal with the perceived problem? I am hearing mostly calls for more government intervention.

[DFF]

How do you determine who "belongs" and who does not?

IQ based immigration.
Only those who score 97 or above are allowed in.
Everyone else, that is, all the idiots, can can back to their homeland, which is only a disaster because of their ignorance.

[Zippyjuan]

Can we kick out citizens we consider "not smart enough" too?

Do we administer random IQ tests to everybody to see who is smart enough like we do with sobriety tests? Is that before or after we search everywhere to see if somebody is legal or illegal?

People whose native language is not English will naturally score lower on IQ tests given in English. It does not mean they are not intelligent or have nothing to add to a society.

Your IQ can change over time

A lot of factors can affect your IQ score over time. Poverty. Nutrition. Stress. How familiar you are with standardized tests. Nisbett's research has shown that children from lower socioeconomic levels adopted into a middle-class family often increase their IQ scores by 15 to 20 points.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/19/health/iq-score-meaning/

As a side note, Mongolia is listed as having the fifth highest national IQ average in the world: http://www.photius.com/rankings/nati...try_ranks.html

Mexico IQ's rise the longer they are in the US:

http://www.theamericanconservative.c...n-american-iq/

In my original article, I had pointed out that up to the early 1970s, both Mexicans and Ireland Irish had identically low IQs, and perhaps coincidentally both were impoverished, heavily rural populations. However, in the decades which followed, Ireland had grown more affluent and urbanized, and Irish IQ had rapidly risen, eventually reaching a value almost identical to that of the neighboring British. I then noted the bits of evidence that the IQ of American-born Mexican-Americans had also apparently been rising at a similarly rapid pace, perhaps propelled by similar gains in socio-economic and urbanization factors.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Can we kick out citizens we consider "not smart enough" too?

People whose native language is not English will naturally score lower on IQ tests given in English. It does not mean they are not intelligent or have nothing to add to a society.

This is false. Asians have a higher average IQ than whites, in Asia and the West.

[HankRicther12]

So what is the goal? Stopping the "flood" of illegal immigrants into the US? That stopped almost eight years ago- net immigration since then has basically been zero (for those from Mexico- a net million have actually gone the other way- most immigrants today both legal and illegal are coming from Asia- a bigger fence with Mexico won't stop them).

Is it to get rid of everybody here? How would you suggest that is done? How do you determine who "belongs" and who does not?

Is there a Free Market Libertarian way to deal with the situation or do we need bigger government to deal with the perceived problem? I am hearing mostly calls for more government intervention.

I already answered all of this, I'd say it's official you are just trolling.

[Zippyjuan]

This is false. Asians have a higher average IQ than whites, in Asia and the West.

Did they take the test in their native language?

And most illegal immigrants coming to the US these days are Asian. I guess that kills the "immigrants are stupid" theory. Those from Mexico have been leaving.

Maybe we should kick out the whites too since their IQ's are lower than Asians.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

And most illegal immigrants coming to the US these days are Asian. I guess that kills the "immigrants are stupid" theory. Those from Mexico have been leaving.

Jump from argument to argument, don't we? The vast majority of the millions of illegal immigrants are mestizos. Maybe in a few decades that won't be the case, but it is now.

[Zippyjuan]

Jump from argument to argument, don't we? The vast majority of the millions of illegal immigrants are mestizos. Maybe in a few decades that won't be the case, but it is now.

There are a lot of topics going in in the thread.

[Zippyjuan]

Anybody have any free market, non-government solutions yet?

[DFF]

High IQ is the literal difference between civilization and living in a mud-hut.
Once national IQ falls beneath 97, that nation turns to $#@!.
This is precisely what's happening to the United States.
My solution would be to repeal the Immigration Act of 1965 and replace it with IQ based immigration.

[AuH20]

IQ based immigration.
Only those who score 97 or above are allowed in.
Everyone else, that is, all the idiots, can can back to their homeland, which is only a disaster because of their ignorance.

That's crazy. There are other attributes beyond IQ that are useful. I know plenty devious sociopaths with high IQs. There should be a strict immigration quota for each nation, which is similar to what we're supposed to have in place. We cannot be swamped by a cultural invasion.

[Zippyjuan]

High IQ is the literal difference between civilization and living in a mud-hut.
Once national IQ falls beneath 97, that nation turns to $#@!.
This is precisely what's happening to the United States.
My solution would be to repeal the Immigration Act of 1965 and replace it with IQ based immigration.

By that standard, over 150 countries in the world must live in mud huts according to this list: http://www.photius.com/rankings/nati...try_ranks.html

I used to know a guy who was later reported had the highest IQ in the world. He freely admitted he didn't consider himself the smartest person in the world- he just spent a ridiculous amount of time studying IQ tests. He graduated from three different high schools (forged transcripts and went to another school to try to get some experience he felt he missed out on at the other schools he went to). He now writes for TV shows.

Doing well or not doing well on a specific test does not say anything about if you will or will not be a good citizen or resident of a country.

[Anti Federalist]

Let's start house to house and business by business raids to round them all up. Might as well set up random traffic stops too to check and make sure everybody has the proper papers. Can't afford to let any slip through the cracks. Gonna need a bigger DHS and police force for the job. Maybe use the NSA to track all communications too so we know where they are hiding.

Well, we've got all that now.

Might as well reap a benefit or two from it.

[tod evans]

Let's start house to house and business by business raids to round them all up. Might as well set up random traffic stops too to check and make sure everybody has the proper papers. Can't afford to let any slip through the cracks. Gonna need a bigger DHS and police force for the job. Maybe use the NSA to track all communications too so we know where they are hiding.

Well, we've got all that now.

Might as well reap a benefit or two from it.

Gotta get the scooter tramps rounded up first, they're "violent criminals".......

[Christian Liberty]

Anybody have any free market, non-government solutions yet?

I do.

#1- Privatize most (ideally all) property.

#2- Abolish welfare, as it is anti-free market.

#3- Open the border

#4- Allow private property owners to hire anyone they want, and to allow or refuse to allow people to cross their property at will.

[Anti Federalist]

Gotta get the scooter tramps rounded up first, they're "violent criminals".......

It seems they are not content to just round up the scooter trash.

They're just lining them up and executing them.

[Pericles]

https://news.vice.com/article/unauth...er-last-decade



They are also paying state income taxes, sales taxes, and property taxes.

http://reason.org/news/show/122411.html





Things like schooling or driver's licenses are decided by states.

Illegal immigrants make up 3.5% of the population (down from 4% in 2007) and yet comprise 5.1% of the labor force meaning they are much more likely to have jobs (and be productive) than citizens. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...on-in-the-u-s/



8.1 million in the labor force out of 11.2 million or 72% in the labor force. Citizen labor force participation rate is about 63%.

So 5.1% of the labor force pays in maybe $11 billion a year into Social Security out of $855 billion in SS taxes collected last year. That would seem to not be paying their fair share.

[Zippyjuan]

Considering they can't collect on any of it, I would say they are.

[PRB]

What's a little child rape when it comes to having diversity?

he only raped the child because of the state, in a free market world where there are no borders and immigration laws, none of this would happen, or if it happened, there would be better and juster ways to punish him.

[PRB]

And most illegal immigrants coming to the US these days are Asian.

Got a source?

[Christian Liberty]

he only raped the child because of the state, in a free market world where there are no borders and immigration laws, none of this would happen, or if it happened, there would be better and juster ways to punish him.

I'm not an anarcho-capitalist, but I'm pretty sure even anarcho-capitalists don't have THAT much faith in the free market. Crime will still happen.

The question, though, is this. Is this crime this particular immigrant's fault, or is it the fault of "immigrants" as a category?

I hold to the former.

[HankRicther12]

I do.

#1- Privatize most (ideally all) property.

#2- Abolish welfare, as it is anti-free market.

#3- Open the border

#4- Allow private property owners to hire anyone they want, and to allow or refuse to allow people to cross their property at will.

OOOh, sorry, can't agree with you. As I posted earlier here is the best way to deal with it:

First, get rid of the entitlements (we agree on this), next, each city/town knows full well who is hiring/housing illegals, so, the police send them a letter saying something along the lines of "You are suspected of hiring illegal aliens, let us remind you of our laws, we are giving you one week and if reports continue we will open an investigation".

I can promise you, 99.999999% of the business will have those illegals out the door the next day, no raid, no huge intrusion, no new big govt dept, no billions of dollars, simply a few letters and stamps, but even there, once it happens in one town others see it, get the message, clean up their act. As for the illegals, what is now their incentive to stay? No job, no welfare, only prospect is jail, they will leave.

Allow travel, trade (tho not how it's structured now), tourism, but for now we do not need any new immigrants unless they are some genius who knows how to build a pollution free car or cure some disease, and if they do, have them go through the process, otherwise, the border is closed, end our foreign adventurism, use a portion of those resources to patrol our borders and coastlines, and send the savings back to the working class in the form of reduced taxes.

[Zippyjuan]

Got a source?

Sure. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/asianamericans-graphics/

Asian Americans are the highest-income, best-educated and fastest-growing racial group in the U.S, with Asians now making up the largest share of recent immigrants. A Pew Research survey finds Asian Americans are more satisfied than the general public with their lives, finances and the direction of the country, and they place a greater value on marriage, parenthood, hard work and career success.

[Zippyjuan]

I'm not an anarcho-capitalist, but I'm pretty sure even anarcho-capitalists don't have THAT much faith in the free market. Crime will still happen.

The question, though, is this. Is this crime this particular immigrant's fault, or is it the fault of "immigrants" as a category?

I hold to the former.

Immigrants are actually less likely than citizens to commit crimes. http://www.msnbc.com/the-cycle/study...n-lowers-crime

Study: Immigration lowers crime

As the immigration bill makes progress in the Senate, it faces claims that more immigrants means more crime. Some conservatives reacted to the Boston Marathon bombing by calling for a delay in immigration reform, for example, and a group of House Republicans have been pushing a report about undocumented workers facing arrests for criminal charges.

In a study published in the Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, researchers Garth Davies and Jeffrey Fagan studied the link between immigration and crime in New York City. After controlling for factors like poverty and educational achievement, they found that immigration did not increase crime rates.

According to geographic data, actually, it appears that in New York, immigration may have even reduced crime, or at least correlated with lower crime rates. As explained by Chrissie Long, a graduate student at the Harvard Kennedy School, the study found that “immigration actually appears to have a protective effect on crime,” as the presence of immigrants in New York neighborhoods “often means decreased crime rates.”

As for specifically Latino immigration, a major factor in the national immigration debate and for Southern border states, Long notes that it had almost no “net effect” on total crime, and “Latino immigration is correlated with slightly less violence.” That finding matches other national surveys. A study of several American cities from 1990 to 2000 found the places with largest spike in immigration also had the “largest decreases in homicide and robbery during the same time period.”

There are many theories as to why immigrants, both documented and undocumented, may be less prone to crime and violent acts than the general population. (They are, by definition, a subset of the general population; they may be more motivated to pursue economic advancement; they may have more family ties and obligations that correlate with non-violent and law-abiding practices; they may perceive or experience higher disincentives for law-breaking, including the fear of deportation; or, as is always possible in social science, none of the above.)

More at link.