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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    That, and they aren't half as interested in helping you survive as 'helping' you toe their line.

    Which is why they spend so much more time dreaming up ways to make people poorer than ways to make people richer.
    Most of them are just naive if not stupid. IMO. And I know a bunch of them due to my involvement in the literary community.



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  3. #92
    I just want to point out that a good economy is fluid. People who work should move out of poverty. They might not grow to be fabulously wealthy, but there should not be a generational cycle of poverty. Government checks are almost a certain guarantee to generational poverty.
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  4. #93

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnie darko View Post
    A lot of anti-libertarians think that libertarians hate the working poor because they oppose workers' rights and generally lionize business owners and share holders above workers (for example most libertarians are fiercely anti-union, anti-minimum wage and anything remotely "Socialist"), hate people with disabilities because they oppose things like SSI and SSDI, though a small but vocal minority of libertarians do support UBI, and hate the homeless because most libertarians support anti-homeless/anti-panhandling laws, which is kind of ironic to me being they are a "statist" intervention in themselves but most libertarians I've spoken to seem quite anti-homeless and don't seem to have a problem with the police using force against them for disturbing business activity by sleeping on the street, begging etc.

    How would you personally help the poor? Do you expect private charity and family to fill all the gaps, do you support a UBI, or do you think free market economics, even in the age of automation and globalization, can guarantee everyone a good paying job if only they get up off their feet and want it?
    Define what you mean by "poor."
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  5. #94
    I don't you are entirely correct, but I think you are right about some aspects from the Libertarian belief. It is just a harsher freeer view of society without all that state trash ruing everybody's life.

  6. #95
    I don't hate the poor, I'm sure I'm considered poor by a lot of people. We just barely scrape by every month. My husband gets paid pretty good by the hour, but he doesn't work full time. I can't work at my old job anymore because of conditions that cause chronic pain so I have gone back to college.

    I have friends that are very poor and live in low income housing. They have two young children that are a handful to take care of. I frequently take them to the grocery store and sometimes other places. The guy has been doing odd jobs since he lost his last job. He finally got desparate enough to apply for welfare. They sent him to do unpaid work for the check. His work ethic impressed one of the people there so much that they recommended him for another job. I took him to the interview and he got the job. I am probably almost as happy as they are.

  7. #96
    Yes, I hate the poor.

    Got a problem with that, punk?
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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Republicanguy View Post
    I don't you are entirely correct, but I think you are right about some aspects from the Libertarian belief. It is just a harsher freeer view of society without all that state trash ruing everybody's life.
    How is freedom more harsh than having more people in prison than any other "civilized" nation--both by raw numbers and as a percentage of the population? How is freedom more harsh than fiat money that has reduced the savings of our seniors by eighty percent and more, and all for the benefit of the six or seven richest banks on the face of the earth?

    You have a strange notion of the definition of "harsh".
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    I would not be stunned by it. Look at how liberals support women - unless they are right wing, look how they support gays - unless they are right wing, look how they support blacks, hispanics, pick your category unless they are right wing.

    It's all about whatever furthers their own influence. Just look at Hollywood, they make movies about "inner beauty" yet they are all hot, and the men, once their wives hit 40, trade them in for younger wives. They love the poor, the minorities, the illegal aliens, etc, yet they all live in high class lily white gated communities far removed from it all. They love the environment yet fly in planes, and enjoy all the modern technology that fossil fuels provide, they bash the rich yet they themselves are rich, have accountants, are incorporated, and work for Hollywood which is the very model of excess. In short, they are all hypocrites, even the little ones.
    There has to be a clinical name for this condition.

  11. #99
    Why do you hate the poor, donnie darko? Why do you hate the poor so much, you demand a system in which medical costs are driven up so high that people who could afford it before no longer can?

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I can't find the Obamacare forum, so perhaps a benevolent mod can graciously move it for me.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/102707721







    Gee, who could have foreseen this? But the liberals don't care. They gots to haz "their" insurance.
    She also said that the massive amount of money that will be spent on administrative overhead in Obamacare hobbles the law's stated goal of providing expanded, affordable coverage to uninsured Americans.

    "You're getting less of it if you're covering 22 percent in overhead," she said.

    If the program had much lower administrative overhead costs, then people insured under the ACA could have lower co-payment and deductibles as part of their insurance, she said.

    Those costs, which a customer must personally pay out of their pocket before their plan covers a medical service, can lead people to avoid seeking health care because of financial concerns, Woolhandler said.
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  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Yes, I hate the poor.

    Got a problem with that, punk?
    I had two poor people for breakfast this morning.

    And before anyone think me gluttonous, keep in mind that generally speaking the poor don't have a lot of meat on them... having been poor, and all.

  13. #101
    I love the poor, and I like to donate my time & money to causes that help them, like for example volunteering for and donating to politicians who support increasing taxes for welfare.
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  14. #102
    Why do you hate the poor, donnie darko? Why do you hate the poor so much you think the SWAT teams who wander around poor neighborhoods breaking into houses that they have no warrant to enter should be followed around by code enforcers who ticket the residents for not fixing the damage the SWAT teams caused--within the hour?

    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I guess you gotta pay for the service you receive from the city.

    http://www.kmov.com/story/29411942/s...ty-of-st-louis

    SWAT team enters wrong home, homeowner sues city of St. Louis
    Posted: Jun 25, 2015 7:04 PM EDT
    Updated: Jun 26, 2015 1:21 AM EDT
    By KMOV.com Staff


    ST. LOUIS, Mo. (KMOV.com) - A homeowner is suing the city of St. Louis after a SWAT team broke down his front door, but they had the wrong house.

    Leon Walker and his family live in the 5600 block of Geraldine, where a SWAT team broke down the door to execute the search warrant, which was for a man who lived two doors down.

    "Once they are at the premises, why didn't Detective Vaughn say, 'wait a minute, I did the surveillance and this is not the right house, everybody stop,'" said Attorney Bevis Schock, who represents the Walker family.

    After finding nothing at the Walker house, a building inspector issued the Walker family a citation.

    "In this case the insult was to have the building inspector cite them for the window that had been broken by the police an hour earlier as part of the entry, and that's outrageous," Schock said.

    The St. Louis Police Department referred News 4 to the City Counselor's Office for comment on the SWAT procedures, but they did not respond.
    They wasted no time.
    Why do you hate the poor so much, donnie darko, that you not only support an onerous pile of regulations that those who can afford lawyers can get away with breaking, but those who can't can't? And why do you support New York City renters being prohibited from doing something while New York City condo owners are not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    New Yorkers may soon be unable to smoke in their own homes, as New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is pressing landlords and developers to prohibit residents from lighting up inside apartments.

    This comes as part of the de Blasio administration’s efforts to reduce smoking citywide. It recently released a “sustainability blueprint” that outlined the initiative, which involves paying four health advocacy groups $9,000 each to get apartment complexes to ban smoking, reported the New York Post.

    City health officials emphasized that the initiative is voluntary, but the same blueprint, titled “One New York: The Plan for a Strong and Just City,” also said that de Blasio is moving towards legislation that would require apartment buildings to create a smoking policy and “disclose it to residents and prospective residents.”

    “Everyone benefits from smoke-free housing. Residents enjoy breathing cleaner, healthier air in their homes ... while owners see reductions in property damage and turnover costs,” a Health Department spokesman said to the Post.

    The Big Apple has already banned smoking in parks and all commercial establishments, a program initiated by former NYC mayor and billionaire Michael Bloomberg. De Blasio seems determined to pick up where his predecessor left off, but regulation concerning smoking in private homes is a new frontier.

    De Blasio’s efforts are a part of anti-smoking policies that are gaining ground across the country. California’s Democrat-controlled Senate recently voted to raise the minimum smoking age to 21, and New Orleans passed smoking bans earlier this year that included prohibiting residents from smoking at drive-thrus.

    http://rt.com/usa/270568-blasio-stop-smoking-homes/
    Why do you hat the poor so much that you say nothing while Obama continues the Dubya tradition of ensuring there's little opportunity for advancement in this country except the armed forces? Why do you hate the poor so much that when those soldiers and Marines come home 100% disabled, and the Pentagon is too busy stocking up for the next war to fund the VA, so they has to grow their own homeopathic anti-depressant, you approve of the institution that throws them in prison for life because they aren't supporting Big Pharma?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZakCarter View Post
    What do you think, does this punishment fit the crime?


    “US Marine Corps combat veteran Kristoffer Lewandowski, who served in three tours of duty overseas including tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, reportedly faces up to life in prison for pot charges connected to a June 2014 raid on his Geronimo, OK home that occurred after his wife and neighbors called police to get him help for a post-traumatic stress disorder flare-up. However, rather than providing mental health resources, police responding on the scene searched Lewandowski’s home for contraband and found six marijuana plants, weighing in at less than an ounce of plant matter in total, and charged him with, among other offenses, felony marijuana cultivation, which, under Oklahoma’s unusually-harsh marijuana laws, carries a maximum sentence of life in prison.

    Truth in Media obtained an exclusive interview with Kristoffer Lewandowski’s wife Whitney Lewandowski in an effort to get their family’s story on the record.

    Whitney Lewandowski said that her husband, a loving father to three children who was honorably medically discharged from the Marines and is 100% disabled due to severe post-traumatic stress disorder, was growing the marijuana for personal use, “He was just using it… He couldn’t get any, and, of course, we’re a military family, we’re very poor, we couldn’t afford to buy it anyway. So he was just growing it for himself. He was on his way out of the military and just wanted to see if it would help with [his mental health issues]. He was taking 13 pills a day, and it was just killing his liver. He was having all these issues with his body and he just wanted to try something more natural to just see if he could do without that many pills a day.” She called his medical marijuana treatments “absolutely effective.”

    Read the rest of the story @ http://truthinmedia.com/exclusive-wa...alls-for-help/
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  15. #103
    Why do you hate the poor so much, donnie darko, that you worship the government that, when it cannot steal from them itself, literally enables others to steal from them instead?

    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tax-refu...s-steve-kroft/

    As we first reported in September, this is how it works. Someone steals your identity, files a bogus tax return in your name before you do and collects a refund from the IRS. It's so simple, you would think it would never work, but it does. It's been around since 2008, you'd think the IRS would have come up with a way to stop it, it hasn't. Instead the scam's gone viral, tripling in the last three years.
    "It's a tsunami of fraud that we have been encountering. The vast number of fraudulent tax returns was something that I don't think the IRS ever really was ready for."
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  16. #104
    You know why you and your ilk are so obsessed with playing Santa Claus, donnie darko? It isn't because you seriously think the poor won't get helped without you taking charge and bossing people around. Oh, no.

    You and your ilk are so obsessed with playing Santa Claus because the first thing Santa Claus does is make his list, and check it twice, and judge who has been naughty and who has been nice. And that's the part that appeals to you and your ilk, donnie darko.

    Just make sure they don't burn the lump of coal you give them. Or better still, make sure they do--then strip them of all they own in the name of carbon taxes.
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  18. #105
    I hate poverty, but that isn't the same thing.

  19. #106
    Why do you hate the poor, Donnie Darko?


    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    http://www.strike-the-root.com/how-s...vate-charities



    Charities on the Dole
    Dependence on government funding destroyed FEGS and threatens other once-great philanthropic organizations.
    http://www.city-journal.org/2015/25_...charities.html





    http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/17/if...-were-charitie
    Much, much more in the excellent original post! Follow the link at the top of this balloon!
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  20. #107
    The govt is not capable of helping those in need efficiently.Only private charity can .The poor will always be with us.

  21. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnie darko View Post
    So you think the rich and middle class would be better off if there was a large, indigent and angry class of people who had almost nothing and they were forced to live in gated communities? There is a country already like that, it's called South Africa. Taxation is not theft or rape of the middle/upper class, it's something the majority of the population consents to as the price of having civilization. I do think there are ways other than taxation to run a society, but to sell everything to corporations and private individuals like Paul fans advocate is not one of those ways.
    I bolded all your errors. Feel free to learn about them in your own time on your own dime.

  22. #109
    Oh, this is easy. I absolutely hate most poor people. 10% of the poor or thereabouts, are just there temporarily, or were royally screwed by fate and I have sympathy for them. I'd give to charity if the government stopped taxing me. I'd gladly and readily freely commit 10% of my income for life to helping the screwed over if .gov stopped stealing from me.

  23. #110
    ok...donny darko..its been decided you hate the poor. Why?...

  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulIsGreat View Post
    Oh, this is easy. I absolutely hate most poor people. 10% of the poor or thereabouts, are just there temporarily, or were royally screwed by fate and I have sympathy for them. I'd give to charity if the government stopped taxing me. I'd gladly and readily freely commit 10% of my income for life to helping the screwed over if .gov stopped stealing from me.
    I go ahead and give what I can to private charity and steal back all I can that the govt steals from me by using the tax code they write .

  25. #112
    I don't hate the poor. My heart bleeds for them. I was President of the Humane Society in the 1980's, and did everything I could to save every abused and starving animal... but you can't get to them all. Gave me severe PTSD trying, but there is only so much one human can do.

    This life is cruel and harsh. I can't explain it, but I will never hate the poor or suffering.



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  27. #113
    Some of the most humble and genuinely good people with whom I've crossed paths in life have been very poor. Of course, they did/do for themselves but they are/were very poor. But I have more respect for them than most others that I meet who are well to do in a strictly monetary way. I don' care for people who act with their pocketbook. I do repect those who do from their hearts as best that they can and as a matter of choice. In fact, I prefer to be in their compnay. I grew up the oldest of 9 children down south and we didn't have a whole lot but we got by. Looking back, I'm glad to say that we didn't have a heck of a lot. I mean, we had land and food that we grew. Fished and hunted and whatnot. Class warfare is historically destructive to a culture or society. This is a product of animosity among the have and have nots that is driven by jingle and bling. Worthless junk, really.

  28. #114
    Why do you hate the poor, donnie darko, so much you want to help make self-sufficiency illegal? Is this just to spite Jesus for saying the law was made to serve man, man was not made to serve the law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Someone remind me - why do we need cops again ... ?

    Police ticket man for broken windshield, in front of shop where he was having it repaired
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...ng-it-repaired
    Jen Hayden (08 September 2015)

    Nick Berlin discovered a vandal had smashed part of his windshield and promptly made a call to get it repaired. When he drove to the repair shop for his appointment the very next day, he got a rude surprise, courtesy of an Adams County Sheriff's Deputy:

    Just as he was about to pull into the auto glass shop, an Adams County Sheriff's Deputy pulled Berlin over and issued him a ticket for an "unsafe vehicle."

    The auto glass shop owner and workers could not believe it, they saw the whole thing happen:

    "We were just standing here in our door and were ready for his appointment and all of the sudden we see a cop out there writing the guy a ticket," shop owner David Sprague said. "We were pretty astounded to think that was what happened."

    Images provided by Absolute Auto Glass show damages to the passenger side of the windshield. "He had plenty of visibility on the driver side," Sprague said.

    Nevertheless, Officer "I'm Having a Bad Day and Now You are Too" didn't care and continued on with the $46 ticket. David Sprague said if police don't drop the ticket, he'll pick up the cost for his customer. Police are standing by their man ... for now.

    A spokesperson said a commander within the department didn't want to do the interview and that no comment would be provided for this report. The spokesperson would only say the ticking officer has his own "discretion."

    A news crew from 9News.com got a tip on the story and thought there had to be more too it—was Berlin belligerent? They set out to interview him and Nick Berlin comes off as the definition of chill. See the interview here.
    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    well, the guy could have had a tow truck take it to the shop for a few hundred bucks....now he has a 40 dollar ticket instead....savings=approx. 150 bucks...he should thank the cop with some donuts.
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  29. #115
    Hey, Donnie Darko! How does it help the poor to be protected from going broke on medical care they might need someday, by being forced to go broke buying the insurance that is supposed to protect them? Can you explain that to me?


    Quote Originally Posted by Lucille View Post
    Because Barry's Big Fascist Medical System was a medical insurance industry bailout. That's what gives. And the criminally stupid progs still defend it, and still don't realize they're fascists.



    Work-Based Health Premiums For Families Up $4,865 Since 2008
    Obama had promised cuts of up to $2,500. What gives? Your wallet, mostly.
    https://reason.com/blog/2015/09/24/w...s-for-families
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-24-2015 at 10:17 AM.
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  30. #116
    I only hate violation of individual rights, and ideologies supporting this.
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  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by donnie darko View Post
    A lot of anti-libertarians think that libertarians hate the working poor because they oppose workers' rights and generally lionize business owners and share holders above workers (for example most libertarians are fiercely anti-union, anti-minimum wage and anything remotely "Socialist"), hate people with disabilities because they oppose things like SSI and SSDI, though a small but vocal minority of libertarians do support UBI, and hate the homeless because most libertarians support anti-homeless/anti-panhandling laws, which is kind of ironic to me being they are a "statist" intervention in themselves but most libertarians I've spoken to seem quite anti-homeless and don't seem to have a problem with the police using force against them for disturbing business activity by sleeping on the street, begging etc.

    How would you personally help the poor? Do you expect private charity and family to fill all the gaps, do you support a UBI, or do you think free market economics, even in the age of automation and globalization, can guarantee everyone a good paying job if only they get up off their feet and want it?
    You ask some good, interesting questions.

    It's my view that it is not the responsibility of either the private or the public sector to guarantee that no one will ever be poor and/or unemployed.

    In short: Given all the nuances and conflicts that exist within US society, I believe that the most FAIR method of aiding the poor is for private charities and families to do so.

    Also, I do not believe that charities should have their tax burdens subsidized by the rest of society solely because they are charities.

    Hope this helps.

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by donnie darko View Post
    What about people who aren't capable of being self-reliant? For example, many autistic people are incapable of working because the sensory stimulus of working in a retail or kitchen environment is pure torture to somebody with autism. And not all of them can thrive in the IT field either. There are lots of people, including many who have high IQs and are relatively "able-bodied" who simply cannot compete in today's market. Do libertarians suggest that they either remain burdens on their family, or perish?

    As for hate vs indifference, I think indifference is hate. Someone who robs or kills you might not "actively" hate you, but they have a pathological indifference to your suffering and well being which to me is almost the same thing.
    That's what private charities are for. And there are businesses out there who will, more so out of a desire to be kind, offer positions to those with disabilities in areas that they are capable of adding value. Autistic people can do some things. Some businesses will find a place for them if they can. That's a form of working charity which is more than just a handout. On a less than altruistic level, it also is in a community's best interest sometimes to give to the less fortunate. Otherwise the homeless create a burden in the streets which can be unsightly and bring down property values.

    However, it is also not inconceivable that you could (in a libertarian society) have a city government which imposed a welfare tax scheme. To me, libertarianism is all about voluntary association, not about whether its good to give to charity. That means that property owners might have to agree to some concessions to have the privilege of living in certain cities. Consider this scenario. I buy 10,000 acres out in the midwest. I sublease 9,999 plots of 1 acre each to 9,999 people. The contract stipulates deed restrictions. One restriction states that they must pay 10% of their income for a program for the poor in the territory. I have just created a city with a completely voluntary government with a welfare program that doesnt violate libertarianism.

  33. #119
    Why do you hate the poor, donnie darko? Why do you want poor, ethnic people driven out of business because they can't afford twelve grand to pay a big corporation to teach them how to do something that their customers don't want done, when what their customers do want done no corporation teaches? Is that the way to enable small, ethnically-owned businesses to keep their overhead costs down so their customers can afford their break-even prices?

    What possible public health risk could a hair braider possibly pose, donnie darko?


    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    From Drudge;

    It Takes 300 Hours to Become a Shampooer in Tennessee

    http://dailysignal.com/2016/05/02/it...r-in-tennessee

    Tammy Nutall-Pritchard had been braiding hair with her older sister, Debra Nutall, since she was 18 years old.

    Nutall taught Nutall-Pritchard the craft when she was 15, and the sisters would stand side-by-side behind the chairs of scores of clients at Nutall’s Memphis, Tenn., salon who came in to get their hair braided while chatting and gossiping with customers.

    Nutall-Pritchard did well—she charged around $300 per head and sometimes made more than $1,000 each week.

    “It gave me joy,” Nutall-Pritchard, 47, told The Daily Signal of working with her sister. “She told me, ‘You learn a skill, it will bring an income for you if you do it the right way.’ She taught me to be the woman I am today, and she taught me that you can be your own boss.”

    But Tennessee’s onerous licensing laws governing natural hair stylists like Nutall and Nutall-Pritchard eventually drove Nutall out of the state she and her family have called home their whole lives.

    As a result, Nutall-Pritchard, who worked at the shop for more than six years, was out of a job.

    Now, the 47-year-old works as a school resource officer to support her three sons.

    In the meantime, Nutall-Pritchard wants to continue working in friends’ salons, shampooing hair and socializing, while making some extra money on the side.

    But in Tennessee, Nutall-Pritchard needs a license to do that, too.

    “Something so simple, they make it so hard,” she said of the state. “Something as simple as shampooing, they make it so hard for a woman like me to make money for a better life.”

    So Nutall-Pritchard, with help from Nutall and Leanna Malone, Nutall’s granddaughter, teamed up with the Beacon Center of Tennessee, a free-market think tank, to challenge the state’s shampooing licensing laws and is arguing those regulations violate her economic liberty.

    “For a common, everyday job like shampooing, we’re not talking an engineer or a doctor or something like that,” Braden Boucek, the Beacon Center’s director of litigation, told The Daily Signal. “For a common, everyday calling like shampooing, you have a fundamental right, and the state can’t just arbitrarily burden it.”

    “To earn a living is a right,” he continued. “Everybody deserves a good job, and that’s something we should all be able to agree on.”

    An Ongoing Licensing War

    Nutall-Pritchard and Nutall have a long history of fighting licensing laws in Tennessee, but for them, the enduring battle scars come from regulations tied to natural hair styling.

    Tammy Pritchard (Photo: Beacon Center of Tennessee)
    Tammy Pritchard (Photo: Beacon Center of Tennessee)
    Nutall learned braiding when she was a child and views it as an art form. At the time, there were no hair braiding salons and, as far as she knew, no easy way of opening one. So instead, Nutall decided to braid hair in between her 3 p.m. to 11 p.m. shift as a nurse’s assistant.

    Nutall’s braiding was unique, and Memphis women began recognizing her styles in the supermarket or at the gas station. Nutall’s client base grew.

    Nutall decided to purchase a space in an old bank building on Lamar Avenue in Memphis to compensate for her growing business. There, in 1995, she opened Dee-Nu-Tall Braid Academy.

    Nutall continued to see success. After living on welfare and in public housing, the mother left the welfare rolls and bought a new house. The year she opened her salon, Nutall purchased her first brand new car: a 1995 Toyota Camry.

    Debra Nutall (Photo: Beacon Center of Tennessee)
    Debra Nutall (Photo: Beacon Center of Tennessee)
    “I had to do something to come out of public housing, and it was honest and fair,” Nutall said of her business. “It bought me a new home and a new car and got me off of welfare and out of public housing, and therefore my children had an opportunity to see life in a different way.”

    In 1996, the Tennessee General Assembly passed a law requiring natural hair stylists to attain a cosmetologist’s license through the state’s Board of Cosmetology and Barber Examiners.

    Natural hair braiders like Nutall had excelled in their craft for years, learning braiding from their mothers and grandmothers. But now, the state was telling them they had to log more than 1,500 hours of education through an eight-week course with costs topping $12,000, Nutall recalled, and all for a skill she pioneered in Tennessee.

    The business owner lobbied state and federal lawmakers in both Nashville and Washington, D.C., urging them to roll back the regulation. Nutall tried to explain that a cosmetology license, which covers perming, relaxing, and dying, was unnecessary for natural hair stylists, particularly because their craft dissuades the use of chemicals used by cosmetologists.

    “I wanted us to stand as a separate entity from cosmetology because we didn’t do anything with chemicals,” Nutall said. “We can twist hair with our hands or braid with our hands. You don’t even need combs necessarily.”

    The state board didn’t budge, and Nutall ended up closing her salon in 2010 because of the expensive licensing requirements.

    Instead, Nutall moved 13 miles south of Memphis, across the state line, and into Southaven, Miss. In the Magnolia State, another braider, Melony Armstrong, had successfully challenged the state’s licensing regulations for natural hair stylists, just as Nutall had attempted to do in Tennessee.

    Because of Armstrong’s efforts, hair braiders in Mississippi pay $25 to register with the state and no longer have to log 1,500 hours of education and experience to earn a cosmetology license.

    “When I had my own business, being restricted like that, it really takes away from your business,” Nutall said of Tennessee’s licensing laws. “It can cause you to fail as a business owner because you need to have as much activity of work going as possibly when you own a tight business. You don’t want to be the only one in there. You also want to make revenue and an avenue for other people to earn an income.”

    ‘The Door Is Barred’

    In Tennessee, not only do natural hair braiders need to attain a license, but those shampooing hair in their shops—known officially as shampoo technicians—do, too.

    The Tennessee Board of Cosmetology and Barber Examiners defines a shampoo technician as a “person who brushes, combs, shampoos, rinses and conditions upon the hair and scalp,” and the state began requiring shampoo technicians to attain a license in 1996.

    To get a license, aspiring technicians must pay a $140 fee to the state, complete at least 300 hours of education in a course on the “practice and theory” of shampooing, and must be at least 16 years old.

    A 2015 catalog of coursework from the Franklin Academy lists tuition for the shampoo tech program at $2,700, which doesn’t include the $400 required book and kit, or the $100 in application and registration fees. The Franklin Academy is a nonprofit institution based in Cleveland, Tenn., that trains those seeking licenses in cosmetology.

    “The curriculum is burdensome, expensive, and totally irrelevant to what they want to do,” Boucek said. “The fact they’ll specify what kit you must buy and that you have to go to school shows they’re concerned about making the individuals spend money that benefits the schools and limits competition, which is what you would expect from a statutory regime that is designed to benefit existing market participants.”


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    ...do you support a UBI [universal basic income]

    If everyone gets a universal basic income, then you're just passing money around until you're back to square one. No gain or loss for anyone, so that would not make sense.

    If everyone doesn't get a universal basic income, then you can't describe it as universal. You're describing a system where you take money from some and give it to others. Basically, transfer payments. Some gain, but others lose. We already have that. Sounds like you're just advocating more of it.
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