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    Waco Biker Massacre: "All of the dead were shot by cops"

    http://www.agingrebel.com/12873

    The Waco Police Massacre

    May 18, 2015




    A shoving match in a bathroom at a Confederation of Clubs meeting in Waco, Texas exploded into a war yesterday. Nine people were killed, 27 people were injured, 17 were hospitalized, two are listed in critical condition, and 160 men were arrested following a brawl at a chain restaurant in a shopping center on the South Jack Kultgen Espressway.

    The fight resulted from a long simmering dispute between members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club and the Cossacks and the Scimitars Motorcycle Clubs. Curtis Jack Lewis, president of the Abilene chapter of the Bandidos, and Wesley Dale Mason, the chapters’ sergeant at arms, were accused of stabbing two Cossacks outside Logan’s Roadhouse in Abilene in November 2013. The two Bandidos were charged with aggravated assault in March 2014. The Scimitars are in the process of patching over to the Cossacks.

    Other clubs in attendance at the Sunday brunch included the Blackett Arms MC, Gypsy MC, HonorBound Motorcycle Ministry, Renatus MC, Escondidos MC, Sons of the South MC, Los Pirados MC, Leathernecks MC, Vietnam Vets/Legacy Vets MC, In Country MC and the Tornado Motorcycle Club.

    All of the arrestees are being charged under Title 11, Section 71.02, a draconian Texas law titled “Engaging in Organized Criminal Activity.” According to that law, “A person commits an offense if, with the intent to establish, maintain, or participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination or as a member of a criminal street gang, the person commits or conspires to commit one or more of” most of the acts that are illegal in Texas: Including possession of small amounts of marijuana, transporting a firearm, and possession of banned weapons like brass knuckles and butterfly knives. Police seized about a hundred weapons at the crime scene
    Sergeant Patrick Swanton, a spokesman for the Waco Police Department, called the attendees. “A bunch of criminal element biker members that came to Waco and tried to instill violence into our community and unfortunately did just that…. This is not a bunch of doctors and dentists and lawyers riding Harleys. These are criminals on Harley-Davidsons.”

    The Restaurant Did It

    The Texas Region One COC and Independents meeting was scheduled to begin at one p.m. The fight began about 12:15. Local police had urged the restaurant, a Hooters knock-off called Twin Peaks, to refuse service to bikers. Waco police claim the violence could have prevented if Jay Patel, the operating partner at the independently owned Waco franchise, had simply banned the Confederation of Clubs from meeting there. In a statement Sunday, Patel said “our management team had had ongoing and positive communications with the police.”

    Sergeant Swanton said, “What occurred here today is the worst-case scenario when a business owner puts profit over human lives. It’s sad. This could have all been avoided.”

    The restaurant has been sponsoring a bike night on Thursdays. Local police have been trying to convince the management to stop that, too. It is legal in Texas, as it is in most states, to ban the display of motorcycle club patches in public establishments. “They were aware that there were issues here,” Swanton said. “It was local management here. We told them of the issues, we tried to get assistance in reference to dealing with these crowds but they would not cooperate.”

    Today, Front Burner Restaurants, which owns the Twin Peaks chain, announced it was cancelling the Waco restaurant’s franchise agreement.

    “We are in the people business and the safety of the employees and guests in our restaurants is priority one,” the announcement said.

    “Unfortunately the management team of the franchised restaurant in Waco chose to ignore the warnings and advice from both the police and our company, and did not uphold the high security standards we have in place to ensure everyone is safe at our restaurants.

    “We will not tolerate the actions of this relatively new franchisee and are revoking their franchise agreement immediately. Our sympathies continue to be with the families of those who died and are very thankful no employees, guests, police officers or bystanders were hurt or injured.”

    Swanton said, “That’s a good thing for law enforcement here. That is one issue that we don’t have to worry about – people coming in and creating another incident after the tragic incident we had last night.”

    Swat

    When the restaurant refused to ban the Confederation of Clubs, police stationed at least 22 cops including ten Swat officers from the Waco P.D. and the Texas Department of Public Safety in the parking lot outside the restaurant. They did not station either uniformed or plain clothes officers in the restaurant.

    The shove in the bathroom became a scuffle in the restaurant. When about 30 Bandidos, Cossacks, Scimitars and other bikers spilled into the parking between the Twin peaks and the Don Carlos Mexican restaurant next door, the police were waiting for them. The scuffle became a knife fight and several men were stabbed. When one of the combatants produced a gun the Swat team opened fire with automatic weapons.



    Multiple sources have told The Aging Rebel that
    all of the dead were killed by police.

    all of the dead were killed by police.
    all of the dead were killed by police.
    all of the dead were killed by police.
    all of the dead were killed by police.
    all of the dead were killed by police.





    Swanton said the fusillade “saved lives in keeping this from spilling into a very busy Sunday morning. Thank goodness the officers were here and took the action that they needed to take to save numerous lives.”

    The investigation into the massacre is being supervised by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    Since the massacre, police have announced that there is “credible information about threats toward law enforcement.” Waco police issued a bulletin at 10:13 Sunday night that announced: “Our agency has recieved (sic) information that the Cosaks (sic) and Banditos (sic) have issued an order to kill anyone in uniform.”

    h/t Shifference
    Last edited by presence; 05-19-2015 at 11:05 AM.

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    Pretty much what I would guess .

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    Just remember, the bikers got off easy.

    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Cops broke up a gang fight by murdering 9 people? Let me guess who is going to get charged in their deaths... the survivors, right? Because if I pick the exact opposite of what makes sense, that has a pretty darn good correlation with what actually happens.

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    Why does the resuraunt management have endanger their own lives by telling ten biker gangs to $#@! off?

    If the cops(by far the largest gang) wanted to stop the meeting so bad they should have done it on their own.

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    Was Waco Biker Brawl A Police Massacre?

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...lice-massacre/

    “A shoving match in a bathroom at a Confederation of Clubs meeting in Waco, Texas exploded into a war,” agingrebel.com observes. “Nine people were killed, 27 people were injured, 17 were hospitalized, two are listed in critical condition, and 170 men were arrested following a brawl at a chain restaurant in a shopping center on the South Jack Kultgen Espressway.” Those are the facts. As our Quote of the Day pointed out, the anti-gunners were all over this one; claiming that gun control could have prevented the violence. As if. More than that, what did cause the death and destruction? Here’s another interesting set of facts . . .


    When the restaurant refused to ban the Confederation of Clubs, police stationed at least 22 cops including ten Swat officers from the Waco P.D. and the Texas Department of Public Safety in the parking lot outside the restaurant. They did not station either uniformed or plain clothes officers in the restaurant.

    The shove in the bathroom became a scuffle in the restaurant. When about 30 Bandidos, Cossacks, Scimitars and other bikers spilled into the parking between the Twin peaks and the Don Carlos Mexican restaurant next door, the police were waiting for them. The scuffle became a knife fight and several men were stabbed. When one of the combatants produced a gun the Swat team opened fire with automatic weapons. Multiple sources have told The Aging Rebel that all of the dead were killed by police.

    Swanton said the fusillade “saved lives in keeping this from spilling into a very busy Sunday morning. Thank goodness the officers were here and took the action that they needed to take to save numerous lives.”

    Huh. So that explains all that media buzz yesterday about biker gangs coming to Waco to attack cops. And the hundreds of local, state and federal cops swarming the scene and protecting the lock-up. Check this from dallasnews.com:

    Waco police issued a bulletin at 10:13 Sunday night that announced: “Our agency has recieved (sic) information that the Cosaks (sic) and Banditos (sic) have issued an order to kill anyone in uniform.”

    Wait. Another Waco police massacre? What are the odds? Even if true, the public will have less sympathy for the victims than they did for the Branch Davidians. A lot less. [h/t DrVino]

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    So who are the multiple sources? Has anyone corroborated this yet, or are we only relying on the Aging Rebel for this info?
    Who shot whom should be figured out at this point: it's been 2 days. Is anyone interviewing the police on that score, or are we looking at another Waco Whitewash?
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    So who are the multiple sources? Has anyone corroborated this yet, or are we only relying on the Aging Rebel for this info?
    Who shot whom should be figured out at this point: it's been 2 days. Is anyone interviewing the police on that score, or are we looking at another Waco Whitewash?
    At risk of being redundant..

    Asking the police to police the police gets predictable results.


    Maybe in 3-5 years the autopsy findings will come out in federal court but those "findings" will have been found by a person whose check is drawn from the same coffers as the kops....

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    local reporter on Twitter is saying 50% of the autopsy results are in and all so far were shot in the head by cops

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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    So who are the multiple sources? Has anyone corroborated this yet, or are we only relying on the Aging Rebel for this info?
    Who shot whom should be figured out at this point: it's been 2 days. Is anyone interviewing the police on that score, or are we looking at another Waco Whitewash?
    It was my suspicion as well..
    As yet there is no proof of who fired a first shot.. But the police were there and jacked up from the start.

    I can easily see them firing on a fist fight.

    I also suspect that most if not all of the weapons confiscated were legal weapons and the owners CCW permitted.
    Most if not all..

    Just because the media,,the SPLC and the Police declare some Club a criminal gang (because of the activities of a few) does not make all members criminals.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 05-19-2015 at 02:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Asking the police to police the police gets predictable results.
    Indeed, it was predictable that eventually we'd learn that the cops killed all the dead people just as soon as that second day went by with no loud press release saying somebody besides the cops killed someone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Seen on FB:


    . There were 12 undercover agent provocateur already there before hand. The swat team that did the shooting with mp5 submachine guns were already positioned before the publicly posted open meeting was scheduled. The cops killed 9 men when they stepped outside to settle a dispute and that became 9 killed in biker shoot out.
    It was premeditated murder. The psychopathic waco swat team would have killed everyone there given the chance.
    Sgt. Swanton "the Obama administration wants to demilitarize our force and this is a perfect example of why we need military weaponry and equipment"
    On the day obama signed the executive order to stop giving these psychos military equipment. The day before the vote on open carry in texas.

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    At first, I thought maybe it was an undercover sting gone wrong. But I am really skeptical of the idea that police killed that many people while leaving eye witness to survive. First of all, I doubt they are or anyone in fact is that accurate to begin with.

    Gonna wait for more info to come out before believing any outlandish story

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    At first, I thought maybe it was an undercover sting gone wrong. But I am really skeptical of the idea that police killed that many people while leaving eye witness to survive. First of all, I doubt they are or anyone in fact is that accurate to begin with.

    Gonna wait for more info to come out before believing any outlandish story
    12 kops with H&K MP-5's, that's 360 rounds without reloading......


    [edit]

    According to Pete there were 18 kops so that's 540 rounds without reloading....
    Last edited by tod evans; 05-19-2015 at 02:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    Seen on FB:
    The police were there before any bikes arived..
    The Police new about this meeting and attempted to prevent it..
    The Police knew the reason for this meeting was to resolve the conflict between Clubs.. *And wanted to prevent that.

    The police had inside information. The police had informants and/or provocateurs inside those groups.

    That much is known.




    *The police were intent on preventing peace.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post

    Gonna wait for more info to come out before believing any outlandish story
    The police have alread stated/admitted that there was an 18 man SWAT team in place as well as several marked units.. Before the bikes showed up..
    They were intent on preventing any reconciliation between these Clubs.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    12 kops with H&K MP-5's, that's 360 rounds without reloading......
    Now, I think more about it, it is entirely possible especially if it was planned with infiltrators working from the inside. Still I will wait for more info to come out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    The police have alread stated/admitted that there was an 18 man SWAT team in place as well as several marked units.. Before the bikes showed up..
    They were intent on preventing any reconciliation between these Clubs.
    That is still not an admission that they were the shooters. The whole thread is about the police being the gun men in the massacre. Cops are yet to admit that charge

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Now, I think more about it, it is entirely possible especially if it was planned with infiltrators working from the inside. Still I will wait for more info to come out.
    Even the donut munchers can hit 9 out of 360 using machine guns....

    It's a safe bet that there's video/audio out there that the kops don't have access to, in my opinion that would be credible information...

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    That is still not an admission that they were the shooters. The whole thread is about the police being the gun men in the massacre. Cops are yet to admit that charge
    Do you expect them to admit that publicly. seriously?

    No cops were shot,,or shot at. No bystanders were shot.

    A group of Bikers are dead at the hands of the Police. (statement of facts)
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Do you expect them to admit that publicly. seriously?

    No cops were shot,,or shot at. No bystanders were shot.

    A group of Bikers are dead at the hands of the Police. (statement of facts)
    Very true, they wouldn't admit it if they were or were not the gun men, but there are lots of survivors bikers and staff alike who can still talk. I want to hear their side of the story first before believing this new theory.

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    all of the dead were killed by police.
    Just as i suspected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Very true, they wouldn't admit it if they were or were not the gun men, but there are lots of survivors bikers and staff alike who can still talk. I want to hear their side of the story first before believing this new theory.
    I'm looking forward to that too..
    any other view than the Police "Official Story".. which is being widely dispersed by the compliant Media.

    Better yet,,some video from the scene,,from start to end.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom



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    http://kxan.com/2015/05/18/bandidos-...o-kill-police/
    As head of the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents, Graves said the meeting was intended to be a peaceful gathering for bikers to learn about their rights, and said he has no idea yet how the fighting started, or who started it.

    But in his role as a National Officer of the Bandidos, Graves strongly denies claims by police that biker gangs involved have been ordered to “kill anyone in uniform.”
    http://krqe.com/2015/05/19/biker-gan...o-kill-police/


    Police Lie

    as Standard Operating Procedure
    Last edited by pcosmar; 05-19-2015 at 03:05 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    The nine bikers, all of whom were members of either the Bandidos or the Cossacks,


    all died of gunshot wounds.





    Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds of the head and trunk.
    Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, died of gunshot wounds to the neck.
    Richard Vincent Kirshner, Jr., 47, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
    Richard Matthew Jordan, III, 31, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
    Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, died of gunshot wounds to the head and trunk.
    Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
    Matthew Mark Smith, 27, died of gunshot wounds to the trunk
    Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
    And Charles Wayne Russell, 46, died of gunshot wounds to the chest.

    http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/W...304043711.html

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  31. #27
    They are calling all the deaths homicides which means the cops aren't taking the credit.

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/wa...eased/33106314

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    They are calling all the deaths homicides which means the cops aren't taking the credit.

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/wa...eased/33106314
    that's not true; homicide simply means killed by a man; it says nothing about the lawfulness

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  33. #29
    highlighting some inconsistancies.

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...y-same-police/
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  34. #30
    Anyone remember the twin pines scene from back to the future and all those supposed 9/11 references? I saw news coverage on this incident on CNN today and they kept cutting to a shot of a place called Twin Peaks. Is the next 9/11 just around the corner? It was 9 people who were killed, right? And two of the three who escaped turned themselves in. 9+2 = 11! 9/11! Conspiracy!

    And reading this thread that apparently the cops are the actual killers, it really is a conspiracy. Dun dun dun.
    Last edited by Warrior_of_Freedom; 05-19-2015 at 04:49 PM.
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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