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  1. #541
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Some footage at these links:

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/05...ge-orig-mg.cnn

    The report had new footage that showed a couple of bikers who had guns, one actively shooting, who were "dropped" in a single shot. One might guess that they were shot by the Police snipers.
    Since the original story has been thoroughly debunked,,

    The question is,, Who was the provocateur? and did they have any connection to Law Enforcement. ( I suspect so)

    A trial may force some light on the subject.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    Bikers Sue Cops for $1 Billion Over ‘Witch Hunt’
    Four men say they were wrongfully arrested when they rode into a deadly firefight between motorcycle gangs in Waco—their attorney says it’s more like Salem, Mass.

    They brought raffle tickets to a gunfight.

    Four members of the Grim Guardians motorcycle club showed up to Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas, on May 17, 2015, for a meeting about state politics, they claim.
    Instead, rival motorcycle gangs opened fire on each other before police moved in.

    They walked into gunfire, and they left in handcuffs.

    When the smoke cleared, nine men were dead, 20 people were injured, and 177 bikers were arrested for engaging in organized criminal activity—including the Grim Guardians.

    Now Jim Albert Harris, Bonar Crump Jr., Drew King, and Juan Carlos Garcia are suing the city, law enforcement, and the restaurant for violating their civil rights, slandering their reputations, and more.

    They’re not the first bikers to sue over the shootout, but they are the first to demand $1 billion and compare the violence to poison gas attacks in Syria.

    It is the “worst police operation initiated by law enforcement in the history of Texas, including the fiasco of the Branch Davidian storming that killed dozens of innocent women and children outside of Waco over 20 years ago (which resulted in far more civilian casualties than the recent gas attacks by Assad of Syria),” said Beaumont attorney Brent Coon, in a press release.

    Eventually, Coon claims, Waco’s handling of the shooting “will be shown to be one of the biggest blunders and cover-ups by any law enforcement agency in the country,” and the city will eventually be proven as “another Salem, Massachusetts in a witch hunt for bikers.”

    When Harris, Crump, King, and Garcia arrived that muggy day, late Sunday morning, the strip mall was quiet except for the roaring of motorcycles approaching the Hooters-like restaurant from the interstate.

    They didn’t know that several Waco law enforcement officials were outside and anticipating violence. Officers established a perimeter around the brawl ahead of time—based on intelligence about the escalating conflict between the Bandidos and Cossacks—and were watching for the fight to break out.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ver-witch-hunt
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

  4. #543
    It is the “worst police operation initiated by law enforcement in the history of Texas, including the fiasco of the Branch Davidian storming that killed dozens of innocent women and children outside of Waco over 20 years ago (which resulted in far more civilian casualties than the recent gas attacks by Assad of Syria),” said Beaumont attorney Brent Coon, in a press release.
    Damn right.

  5. #544

    Waco biker trials...

    Been wondering what ever happened with this. Found a story from November about the first trial of a biker ending in a mistrial. Also some December stories about withheld evidence, and alleged corruption of McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna.

    Mistrial in Waco biker shootout trial leaves 154 suspects in limbo
    Nov. 12, 2017
    John Bacon USA today

    The first trial stemming from a bloody biker gunfight at a Waco restaurant that left nine people dead and 20 wounded has done little to determine the fate of more than 150 people indicted in the complex and controversial Texas case.

    A judge on Friday declared a mistrial in the case of Jake Carrizal, president of the Dallas Bandidos motorcycle club, who could face life in prison if he ultimately is convicted on three counts stemming from the melee on May 17, 2015.

    The jury deliberated for 14 hours before telling Judge Matt Johnson it was hopelessly deadlocked. McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna declined to comment after Johnson declared a mistrial, so it was not clear if Carrizal will be tried again. All the defendants were charged with engaging in a criminal activity leading to the deaths.

    (more) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...mbo/856490001/
    Here's a list of more recent headlines from the Wacotrib - http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/

    Affidavit alleges FBI probe into DA Reyna's activities 'ongoing'
    By TOMMY WITHERSPOON
    Dec 12, 2017

    A federal public corruption investigation of McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna that reportedly involves his dismissing criminal cases for friends and donors remains ongoing, according to a sworn affidavit from a former veteran police detective filed Tuesday in two Twin Peaks shootout cases.

    Retired Waco police Detective Sherry Kingrey said in the sworn statement, dated Dec. 11, that she provided information about Reyna and his “close friends,” who Kingrey said were organizers of an “illegal gambling operation in Waco,” to FBI agent Fred Rhea.

    Rhea, in turn, put Kingrey in touch with FBI agent Dan Brust, Kingrey’s affidavit said.

    FBI spokeswoman Michelle Lee said last week that she could neither confirm nor deny the existence of an investigation of Reyna.

    “Agent Brust informed me that, although he could not share the details with me, he was conducting a public corruption investigation in relation to” Reyna, states the retired detective’s affidavit. “... To my knowledge, this investigation is still ongoing and I am personally aware that federal investigations often take longer to complete than state investigations.”

    Fort Worth attorneys Brian Bouffard, who represents Twin Peaks biker Jorge Daniel Salinas, and Conrad Beyer, who represents biker Billy Jason McRee, attached Kingrey’s sworn statement to motions filed Tuesday seeking to compel Reyna’s office to provide evidence in the Twin Peaks cases and to ask 19th State District Judge Ralph Strother to set a hearing in the matter... (more)

    http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_...e55579012.html
    DPS attorney claims Reyna urged Ranger to withhold evidence in Twin Peaks trial
    By TOMMY WITHERSPOON
    Dec 8, 2017

    A Texas assistant attorney general said in a secretly recorded conversation that McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna urged a Texas Ranger to withhold evidence from Twin Peaks defendant Jacob Carrizal’s trial team and said Reyna is “deluded” and can’t be trusted... (more)

    http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_...4554ef118.html
    Twin Peaks attorneys seek withheld evidence
    By TOMMY WITHERSPOON
    Dec 5, 2017

    Attorneys for three bikers arrested after the Twin Peaks shootout are seeking evidence they claim is being withheld by McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna’s office.

    Attorneys for William Chance Aikin, Jorge Daniel Salinas and Billy Jason McRee all filed motions Tuesday asking judges to order the DA’s office to disclose additional evidence, including evidence previously withheld and not disclosed until the middle of Dallas Bandidos chapter President Jacob Carrizal’s trial, which ended in a mistrial last month.

    Seizing on motions filed by other attorneys, the lawyers allege current and former members of Reyna’s staff have cooperated, and possibly still are cooperating, in a reported federal investigation of Reyna on allegations that he showed favoritism to friends and campaign donors for political gain.

    The motions filed Tuesday allege Reyna’s top assistant, Michael Jarrett, prosecutor Amanda Dillon, and former Reyna staff members Greg Davis and Julissa West have been providing information to an Austin-based FBI agent investigating Reyna and that the staff members are withholding evidence that supports the defense’s claim that Reyna decided to arrest 177 bikers en masse to further his political career.

    The motions allege Jarrett has said he plans to write a book about Twin Peaks and has secretly recorded conversations with Reyna that the attorneys say could be relevant to their defense. The motions seek disclosure of his notes for his reported book and the alleged recordings.

    (more) http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_...190d450d3.html



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  7. #545
    More Charges Dropped in Multi-Year Prosecution of Bikers Indiscriminately Arrested in the Waco Mass Shooting Case

    http://reason.com/blog/2018/02/09/mo...lti-year-prose

    Brian Doherty|Feb. 9, 2018 3:25 pm

    This week, the Waco Tribune reports, charges against 13 of the men were dismissed.

    ABC News has some maddening background on the case:

    Ballistics evidence showed that police bullets struck four bikers, killing at least two of them. The three officers involved in the shooting were no-billed by a grand jury after being cleared by an internal investigation.

    Nearly three years later, only one biker, Dallas locomotive driver and Bandido chapter president Christopher "Jake" Carrizal, has been tried. Carrizal's November trial resulted in a mistrial when jurors were unable to reach a unanimous verdict. The second biker set for trial rejected a plea deal in December.

    "The way people were arrested was fairly indiscriminate—it was predictable that some of these cases would be dropped," said Sandra Guerra Thompson, a University of Houston law professor, adding, "I wouldn't doubt if we see more."...

    More than 100 bikers, including 11 whose cases were dismissed Thursday, have civil suits pending against Reyna's office and the Waco police department claiming that they were wrongfully arrested.

    A federal judge in Austin had stayed the cases pending the outcome of their criminal cases.

    Brian Bouffard, an attorney representing one of the bikers, is convinced that those charges were dropped this week because McLennan County D.A. Abel Reyna wanted to avoid having harmful testimony come to light at a scheduled hearing. Abel's office has been simultaneously recused from two other ongoing biker arrests in the case. And prosecutor Michael Jarrett says eight more pending cases against bikers arrested that day won't be going forward.

    Jorge Salinas, one of the men whose case was dismissed, points out something worth remembering: Even if you aren't eventually convicted, casual arrests followed by insanely long resolutions can have destructive effects on people's jobs, finances, and living situations. Don Tittle, who is representing many arrested bikers engaged in the ongoing federal civil rights lawsuit against local officials, refers rightly to the "never-ending legal limbo in which they have found themselves trapped."

    Bouffard was bold enough in a press conference to refer to D.A. Reyna as the very definition of the "domestic enemy of our Constitution" that his client Salinas, a decorated Marine combat veteran, swore an oath to fight.

    According to the Tribune, Bouffard and other biker attorneys say Reyna only did the case-dropping and recusing "to prevent the adverse testimonies of former and current members of his staff, some of whom have reported alleged abuses of his office to Texas Rangers and the FBI."

    "Abel Reyna arrested, charged, and indicted a very large number of these men for purely political reasons, apparently without any intent to take them to trial," said Bouffard.

    Tittle, the lawyer in the civil rights suit, told the Tribune that "Reyna's lawyers have used the criminal cases as an excuse to prevent us from going forward with the civil cases. Sooner than later, I believe that a day of reckoning is coming for Mr. Reyna and the others that perpetrated this mass injustice."

    Most of the arrested seem by available evidence to be guilty of little other than being in a place where violence broke out (and was then worsened by police behavior). For more, see a plethora of Reason clips on police and prosecutorial misconduct in this incident and its aftermath, including gag orders, insanely high bonds, no concern for the wounded, and unconscionable delays in actual prosecution.

  8. #546
    Waco.

    It haz a history.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  9. #547
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Waco.

    It haz a history.
    Hopefully by the end of this it will have to declare bankruptcy.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

  10. #548
    Bikers Help Primary Opponent Defeat Texas Prosecutor In Waco

    http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/03/07/b...cutor-in-waco/

    March 7, 2018 at 3:19 pm

    WACO (CBSDFW.com/AP) — Voters have routed the Texas prosecutor pursuing charges against more than a hundred bikers in cases stemming from a fatal 2015 shootout involving bikers and police outside a restaurant in Waco.

    Local bikers heartily campaigned for Abel Reyna’s Republican opponent in Tuesday’s primary election. The result means attorney Barry Johnson will run uncontested for McLennan County district attorney in November.

    The shooting left nine bikers dead and 20 injured. Investigators say it was sparked by tensions between the Cossacks and Bandidos motorcycle groups.

    More than 150 bikers were originally indicted, accused of engaging in organized criminal activity. The only case to go to trial so far resulted in a mistrial in November. Reyna recently dismissed 26 other cases.

    Johnson has criticized Reyna’s handling of the cases and pledged to take a fresh look if elected.

  11. #549
    Special prosecutor dismisses Hewitt biker’s Twin Peaks case

    http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Spe...k_KWTX_News_10

    WACO, Texas (KWTX) The Twin Peaks case involving Hewitt resident Matthew Alan Clendennen was dismissed Monday by the special prosecutor who was appointed to try the case after the local district attorney stepped away from it.

    Brian M. Roberts, the attorney who was appointed to prosecute the Clendennen case, signed the dismissal form which states: “After reviewing all the facts, circumstances and evidence, it is the state’s position that no probable cause exists to believe the defendant committed the offense.”

    Roberts said the case was dismissed “with prejudice”, which means it cannot be re-called or re-filed and henceforth is moot.

    Clendennen and his attorney, F Clinton Broden, of Dallas, have led the charge among Twin Peaks defendants who have been trying to change the perception of the Twin Peaks prosecutions.

    “Now, almost three years later, after the filing of numerous speedy trial demands and countless motions in the trial court, the recusal of the trial judge, the recusal of the district attorney, and three trips to the Court of Appeals, the saga is over for Matt Clendennen,” Broden said in a news release issued Monday.

    The Clendennen case, among several that were assigned to prosecutors outside District Attorney Abel Reyna’s office after Reyna recused himself, is the first of those that was independently reviewed outside of Reyna’s office.

    “The special prosecutors make clear in their motion that the case against Mr. Clendennen is being dismissed based upon the lack of probable cause and with prejudice,” Broden’s release said.

    “After being arrested with a ‘fill-in-the-name’ arrest warrant, being held in jail for three weeks on a $1,000,000 bond and being held hostage for three years despite making several demands for a speedy trial, I am hopeful the civil courts will ultimately provide justice for Matt,” Broden said.

    “We also must never forget that nine people died at Twin Peaks. Nevertheless, because of the reckless actions on the part of the District Attorney in advocating for wholesale arrests rather than the particularized arrests of the individual suspects, those nine families may be denied justice,” Broden said.

  12. #550
    They never had a Case..

    This was a Political attack,,instigated by police..

    Not one case will ever see a trial.. that would require evidence.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  13. #551
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Special prosecutor dismisses Hewitt biker’s Twin Peaks case

    http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Spe...k_KWTX_News_10

    WACO, Texas (KWTX) The Twin Peaks case involving Hewitt resident Matthew Alan Clendennen was dismissed Monday by the special prosecutor who was appointed to try the case after the local district attorney stepped away from it.

    Brian M. Roberts, the attorney who was appointed to prosecute the Clendennen case, signed the dismissal form which states: “After reviewing all the facts, circumstances and evidence, it is the state’s position that no probable cause exists to believe the defendant committed the offense.”

    Roberts said the case was dismissed “with prejudice”, which means it cannot be re-called or re-filed and henceforth is moot.

    Clendennen and his attorney, F Clinton Broden, of Dallas, have led the charge among Twin Peaks defendants who have been trying to change the perception of the Twin Peaks prosecutions.

    “Now, almost three years later, after the filing of numerous speedy trial demands and countless motions in the trial court, the recusal of the trial judge, the recusal of the district attorney, and three trips to the Court of Appeals, the saga is over for Matt Clendennen,” Broden said in a news release issued Monday.

    The Clendennen case, among several that were assigned to prosecutors outside District Attorney Abel Reyna’s office after Reyna recused himself, is the first of those that was independently reviewed outside of Reyna’s office.

    “The special prosecutors make clear in their motion that the case against Mr. Clendennen is being dismissed based upon the lack of probable cause and with prejudice,” Broden’s release said.

    “After being arrested with a ‘fill-in-the-name’ arrest warrant, being held in jail for three weeks on a $1,000,000 bond and being held hostage for three years despite making several demands for a speedy trial, I am hopeful the civil courts will ultimately provide justice for Matt,” Broden said.

    “We also must never forget that nine people died at Twin Peaks. Nevertheless, because of the reckless actions on the part of the District Attorney in advocating for wholesale arrests rather than the particularized arrests of the individual suspects, those nine families may be denied justice,” Broden said.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tod evans again.

    Someone help a brother out? Thanks for the update. I think Pete's right. The tax payers in Waco have no idea how much their property tax is getting ready to go up.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

  14. #552
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tod evans again.

    Someone help a brother out? Thanks for the update. I think Pete's right. The tax payers in Waco have no idea how much their property tax is getting ready to go up.
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