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    YOU are Responsible For the AmTrak Train Derailment

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    All these mixed messages. Hmmm, so by not subsidizing our rail industry as much as China, God is mad at me? Can someone please help?

    Last edited by wizardwatson; 05-13-2015 at 11:19 AM.

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    News is saying the rail line (all tracks) will be down for at least a week.

    Anyone think this might create shortages? esp petroleum and LNG but also disrupting coal, food and refined chemicals. Grocery stores only keep a week worth of food and gas stations also are refilled weekly. There are LNG/petroleum pipelines along the east coast. Milk pipelines, not so much.

    Makes you realize how vulnerable this country is. Makes you wonder if this whole WoT is just a bunch of enactment actors and a film crew on the lot behind Area 51...

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    All these mixed messages. Hmmm, so by not subsidizing our rail industry as much as China, God is mad at me? Can someone please help?
    You betcha!

    Just send $49.95 to Uncle Fester's help line.......

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    Well if China is doing it.... must be great!
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    Everything that I'm reading is saying that the engineer entered a curve at 100 mph, twice the speed the curve was rated for.


    Amtrak Crash: Train Appears to Have Been Going Too Fast

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/deadly-t...ess-1431499608

    PHILADELPHIA—An Amtrak train involved in a fatal crash here appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour as it entered a sharp curve where it derailed Tuesday night, killing at least seven people, according to two people with knowledge of the investigation.

    The speed limit in that section of track drops to 50 miles per hour, according to the Federal Railroad Administration.

    Investigators are focusing on the possibility that excessive speed was a factor in the derailment, one of these people said. The locomotive and all seven passenger cars of the train went off the tracks at a tight curve at Frankford Junction, north of Philadelphia city center. Multiple cars overturned, severely injuring some passengers and pinning others. At least seven people were killed, according to the Associated Press, and more than 200 were injured, including eight who were in critical condition.

    Amtrak officials notified some employees on a Wednesday conference call that excessive speed was believed to have contributed to the crash, said one of these people, who was briefed on the contents of the call.

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    To address the MSNBC nonsense in the OP:



    The Northeast Corridor is some of the best maintained track and ROW in the country.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Everything that I'm reading is saying that the engineer entered a curve at 100 mph, twice the speed the curve was rated for.
    Well it if it was driven by a computer instead of a human this could have all been avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Everything that I'm reading is saying that the engineer entered a curve at 100 mph, twice the speed the curve was rated for.


    Amtrak Crash: Train Appears to Have Been Going Too Fast

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/deadly-t...ess-1431499608

    PHILADELPHIA—An Amtrak train involved in a fatal crash here appears to have been traveling at more than 100 miles an hour as it entered a sharp curve where it derailed Tuesday night, killing at least seven people, according to two people with knowledge of the investigation.

    The speed limit in that section of track drops to 50 miles per hour, according to the Federal Railroad Administration.

    Investigators are focusing on the possibility that excessive speed was a factor in the derailment, one of these people said. The locomotive and all seven passenger cars of the train went off the tracks at a tight curve at Frankford Junction, north of Philadelphia city center. Multiple cars overturned, severely injuring some passengers and pinning others. At least seven people were killed, according to the Associated Press, and more than 200 were injured, including eight who were in critical condition.

    Amtrak officials notified some employees on a Wednesday conference call that excessive speed was believed to have contributed to the crash, said one of these people, who was briefed on the contents of the call.
    Please don't inject facts into this thread. This is solely about increasing funding for Amtrak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Not sure, maybe this is seen as a terrorist attack and they need to use the money for more drones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    News is saying the rail line (all tracks) will be down for at least a week.

    Anyone think this might create shortages? esp petroleum and LNG but also disrupting coal, food and refined chemicals. Grocery stores only keep a week worth of food and gas stations also are refilled weekly. There are LNG/petroleum pipelines along the east coast. Milk pipelines, not so much.

    Makes you realize how vulnerable this country is. Makes you wonder if this whole WoT is just a bunch of enactment actors and a film crew on the lot behind Area 51...

    -t
    Don't be ridiculous. The old B & O/Reading route is owned by the CSX, is not government, is safe as houses and runs parallel the whole way. Only passengers are endangered by government-owned rail in the area; freight is un-socialized and rolling right along.
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    Our Commitment to Safety & Security
    http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/Conten...=1246041980529

    Passenger Identification
    http://www.amtrak.com/passenger-identification

    TSA Searching Amtrak Riders at Chicago’s Union Station
    http://therundownlive.com/tsa-search...union-station/

    Rail's handling of TSA should be a model
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/06/opinio...sa-vipr-teams/

    Transportation Security Administration now patrolling Amtrak and public events
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../vipr-a10.html


    Thank GOD the TSA was able to molest all those passengers, why someone might have gotten hurt! - Oh, wait...

    While they have a manifest, they don't know who was on the train. Why? Well Amtrak employees might have been dead heading it and everyone with a ticket might not have gotten on the train... There are apparently missing people as they expanded the search area. Death toll up to 7. Probably one of the 8 in the hospital in critical condition.

    Surely the NSA's cellular geolocation program could have triangulated this train and told them to slow down. Police state is really slipping today. Why even GPS sats can tell the difference between a Cessna and a cruise missile.

    Egg, meet face.

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    Our Commitment to Safety & Security
    http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/Conten...=1246041980529

    Passenger Identification
    http://www.amtrak.com/passenger-identification

    TSA Searching Amtrak Riders at Chicago’s Union Station
    http://therundownlive.com/tsa-search...union-station/

    Rail's handling of TSA should be a model
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/06/opinio...sa-vipr-teams/

    Transportation Security Administration now patrolling Amtrak and public events
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../vipr-a10.html


    Thank GOD the TSA was able to molest all those passengers, why someone might have gotten hurt! - Oh, wait...

    While they have a manifest, they don't know who was on the train. Why? Well Amtrak employees might have been dead heading it and everyone with a ticket might not have gotten on the train... There are apparently missing people as they expanded the search area. Death toll up to 7. Probably one of the 8 in the hospital in critical condition.

    Surely the NSA's cellular geolocation program could have triangulated this train and told them to slow down. Police state is really slipping today. Why even GPS sats can tell the difference between a Cessna and a cruise missile.

    Egg, meet face.

    -t
    That would be a blatant violation of that corporate person's right to privacy. What are you a commie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Don't be ridiculous. The old B & O/Reading route is owned by the CSX, is not government, is safe as houses and runs parallel the whole way. Only passengers are endangered by government-owned rail in the area; freight is un-socialized and rolling right along.
    Eh? - should have gotten my rail atlas instead of relying on vague Internet maps. However, while Amtrak owns that rail, they said they shared it with NJ rail and one other, so there should be freight on that line.

    +rep

    -t



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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    Eh? - should have gotten my rail atlas instead of relying on vague Internet maps. However, while Amtrak owns that rail, they said they shared it with NJ rail and one other, so there should be freight on that line.

    +rep

    -t
    NJ Transit is a state commuter service, not a railroad. They don't even have anything to ship freight on. When it doesn't operate on Amtrak rail, it forces a freight carrier to interrupt their shipments so they can run their commuter trains.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Everything that I'm reading is saying that the engineer entered a curve at 100 mph, twice the speed the curve was rated for.
    Will passenger rail now have police speed enforcement?

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    Will the employee who pushed the train far above the recommendable traveling speed be subject to termination or will his job be protected by the CBA? Usually, if you kill multiple persons, you're going to lose your job.

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    Wow. It's taking off like wildfire. MORE INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING as opposed to focusing on human error (stupidity).

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...on_amtrak.html

    That the nation’s transportation system is underfunded is no secret: The rail system earned a C-plus on the American Society of Civil Engineers’ most recent infrastructure report card, which pegged the funding needs for the Northeast Corridor—for both Amtrak and the eight commuter railroads that use the passage—at about $10 billion over the next 15 or so years to achieve a state of good repair and boost capacity by 40 percent. According to officials who operate the Northeast Corridor, meanwhile, the route faces a $1 billion annual shortfall in capital needs—and has a “state-of-good-repair backlog” of 11,100 major projects and 4,800 basic infrastructure ones on its main Amtrak line. Implementing Positive Train Control and other safety measures up and down the corridor is near the top of the corridor’s to-do list.

    Congress, however, has shown little interest in funneling more federal cash to the nation’s passenger rail system, either in the Northeast Corridor or elsewhere. The federal government provides Amtrak with about $1.4 billion a year—but conservatives have long hoped to trim that number significantly. On Wednesday a House committee began marking up a GOP spending bill that would cut Amtrak funding to $1.1 billion a year. Longer-term transportation planning, meanwhile, remains stuck in Washington’s current gridlock.

    One major reason that the status quo is so harmful to the Northeast Corridor is because Congress demands Amtrak operate like a profit-seeking business, while at the same time requiring the agency to continue running little-used and money-losing lines, something no business would do. Every penny Amtrak spends servicing a line like the California Zephyr that spans the 2,400-odd miles from Chicago to California—which carried 376,459 people in 2012 at a whopping cost of $112.5 million—is a penny it can’t spend on making improvements along the Northeast Corridor, which transports more than 11 million people a year. There’s certainly a case to be made that as long as taxpayers are chipping in, Amtrak needs to service the entire country. But if lawmakers believe that, it’s about time they acknowledge an accompanying reality: Someone needs to pay for it.
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    No. I don't support going twice the speed limit. I also don't support massive welfare to the biggest companies in the nation!
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    boy, good thing it wasn't carrying any police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Will the employee who pushed the train far above the recommendable traveling speed be subject to termination or will his job be protected by the CBA? Usually, if you kill multiple persons, you're going to lose your job.
    The engineer probably got terminated by the crash, but he will probably be buried at company expense.

    One major reason that the status quo is so harmful to the Northeast Corridor is because Congress demands Amtrak operate like a profit-seeking business, while at the same time requiring the agency to continue running little-used and money-losing lines, something no business would do.
    I was looking at ticket pricing earlier today - none are available, for obvious reasons, but they ran $89-120 for BWI2philly. It's a 2 hour drive. You can get a commuter flight from BWI2NYC for $100. (3 hour drive) From what I hear, these rail cars are largely empty. I wonder why?

    The best thing Congress could do is let them go 100% private so they stopped loosing money.

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    boy, good thing it wasn't carrying any police.
    They might have been. Is there a rail marshal program like the air marshal one?

    -t



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    Maybe Elijah Price did it ...
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    People want low fares ( at the expense of others).

    The Middle East airlines get their governments to vastly subsidize their expansion. Nobody complains. American jobs suffer.
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    This goes here.



    and this,,

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    The Satanic Illuminati Pedophiles are too busy killing people creating that very desirable Loosh energy to invest in infrastructure...

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    Little more info coming out. that section of track has an automated warning system that alerts the engineer if he's going to fast. The train was going 106mph when the engineer slammed on the brakes. 4 seconds later, at a speed of 102mph 200 tons of choochoo plus 7 carriages decided to try flying. Those things don't stop on a dime, ya know! I imagine the wheels not turning any more had a lot to do with it. The sparks must have been spectacular!

    Gomez Adams must be jealous.

    -t
    Last edited by tangent4ronpaul; 05-13-2015 at 04:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Please don't inject facts into this thread. This is solely about increasing funding for Amtrak.
    LOL, do those goofballs realize that the track is not owned by Anthrax.

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