I think substance abuse is a worthy topic that is worthy of a forum.
Why? You looking for tips?Originally Posted by Schifference
flakka bad 4 u mkay?
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
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...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
The problem with a substance abuse subforum is that the title concedes the true nature of the problem.
People seem to think that drugs and alcohol cause addiction, which isn't really true. Drugs and alcohol are just fun things to do and some people get carried away with it. But they can get carried away with anything... it could be something harmless or something dangerous. Ironically, some drugs are largely harmless and some are more dangerous.
People who have problems with addiction have two problems, which may be separate problems or they may be the same thing.. They have an addictive trait, or gene, or some thing or combination of things that causes them to become addicted to certain brain chemical reactions more easily and they have a problem with self control.
Last edited by dannno; 05-01-2015 at 06:09 PM.
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"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Also, to justify a subforum you have to have enough threads and interest to justify it.
Medical cannabis and cannabis related stories should absolutely not be put in a "Substance Abuse" forum, that is ridiculous.
There are only a couple of threads a year on things like bath salts and krokodil where people go crazy on some substance and turn into a zombie or something, and we don't even really know what is going on with those stories.
There is a thread about cannabis propaganda, the way the stories portray it you could put it in there but again I'd be absolutely opposed to most anything related to cannabis going into a substance abuse subforum unless it was directly related to cannabis addiction.
There are threads about vaping occasionally, we have a thread called "Vapers of the Forum Unite!" or something similar which was started by one of the premier activists on the site, you really want to put something like that in a substance abuse subforum?
DUI stories are usually related to taking away people's rights, so arguing the fine points of legalizing or to what extent it should be illegal, but that has more to do with rights than substance abuse. I just don't know that there would be much material for it, and I would think most stories related to drugs or alcohol would go in either Personal Health and Well being, Open Discussion, Hot Topics or Individual Rights Violations, etc..
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Are you thinking that liberty minded people cannot struggle with addiction? Alcohol, food, drugs? We have a religion forum. I think a support system for people struggling with dependency issues would be worthwhile.
What are you saying- think there are a lot of substance abusers on the forum?
I confess--I hoard nail polish. I probably have over 100 bottles. All different colors with sparkles and everything. I even paint the dogs toenails. I need help.
I'm not sure an entire subforum about substance abuse is appropriate.
Couldn't you just start topics related to substance abuse under Personal Health & Well-Being?
Are you referring to drugs and alcohol? How would you define abuse?
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Any form of addiction that afflicts an individual.
I think there are a lot of forums out there specifically intended for that topic. I'm not sure people would feel comfortable discussing it here if they had a problem but I would hope if anyone is feeling desperation they would at least reach out to someone whether here or elsewhere. Just remember there are prying eyes on here.
I think that is a very well thought out proactive response!
What are you addicted to?
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Well some might not, others might trust people here more.
One could certainly create a thread and put it in health and wellbeing or something, I don't think you need the subforum to give permission or encourage people to do it.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
It is obviously a bad idea. This forum breeds insensitive crude responses and I am sure that anyone that would post would only open themselves up to ridicule.
This is a semi-libertarian forum. I can see the "get over it ya $#@!head" responses already.
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There's programs for addiction in every town, in every state. I go to A.A. three times a week.
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Would this be an appropriate place to post when I am abusing substances?
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Is overeating substance abuse?
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My first reaction was in response to the "Substance Abuse" buzz words.
I reject the social engineering aspect that was implied. "Substance Abuse" is vague and overused.
I have used "substances". Occasionally over used some. I have used drugs (including alcohol), but am not addicted to any. Never have been.
I enjoy tobacco. and am annoyed at the social engineers that have denigrated and restricted my enjoyment of it.
I would like to have a habit of smoking pot.. but only smoke a little very occasionally.. I would prefer it as a daily habit..
There are other substances I would like to have access and availability to use as I choose,,but the social engineers have made that difficult.
There is a huge difference between use and abuse.. anything can be abused,, or misused.
Prohibition was a bad idea a century ago.. it still is a very bad idea.
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I'm going to take your advice on that one.
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Would the goal be to offer some support and have people share strategies?
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My name is Suzanimal, I spilled a glass of Franzia once (or twice). Any tips to keep this from happening again?
My name is Suzanimal, I spilled a glass of Franzia once (or twice). Any tips to keep this from happening again?
"I am a bird"
'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to luctor-et-emergo again.
We have a couple of those, why didn't I think of that! This substance abuse thread has helped me out, thanks!
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