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    None of the looting or rioting would be happening in Baltimore right now if Cops didn't get to kill people with impunity.



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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    None of the looting or rioting would be happening in Baltimore right now if Cops didn't get to kill people with impunity.
    If the EBT system went down, the same disastrous consequences would occur. The state of mind is poisonous in the inner cities. That is the #1 issue. Everything else is secondary. The police are the symptoms. If there was strong, self-sufficient black community in place, the police would be forced out elsewhere to other areas. The entire police apparatus is dependent on young black teams acting in a Pavlovian manner, so they can justify their lawless behavior and budgets. So they can point and say, "Look at these animals. We need to instill order." If you can remove that impetus, they are powerless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So, how many days of peaceful protests were ignored before someone got violent? Everybody seems to be concentrating on the ill-conceived blowback, rather than the cause.

    I don't agree with violence but when people are continually killed or maimed by the state with no consequences, how long before a community blows up? What does it take for Americans to say "enough!"?

    I don't agree with violence but when people are continually killed or maimed by by a culture with no consequences, how long before a community blows up? What does it take for Americans to say "enough!"?

    Everybody seems to be concentrating on the ill-conceived blowback, rather than the crime statistics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    It's a rebellion against self as well as the authorities. The former is very tragic to witness.
    I haven't watched any videos or anything lately. Only video I've watched in last couple weeks was everest avalanche. Just words and a few pics from all the other news.

    Tragedy is ubiquitous in the world at the moment and honestly I don't have a lot of sympathy for America's relatively mild manic episodes.

    America is also killing others and itself. We are cursed and those in power do nothing but accelerate. These domestic issues are but cracks in the hull.
    When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
    When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6



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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    If the EBT system went down, the same disastrous consequences would occur. The state of mind is poisonous in the inner cities. That is the #1 issue. Everything else is secondary. The police are the symptoms.
    Yeah and if a comet the size of the moon hit the earth, we would all die. If this and if that. Notice the rioting occurs in cities where the police kill someone? Does that not make a connection to you? How about the cops stop abusing and killing people then there would be no riots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    More government involvement is what we need here.
    China needs to get involved. They know how to handle things like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    Yeah and if a comet the size of the moon hit the earth, we would all die. If this and if that. Notice the rioting occurs in cities where the police kill someone? Does that not make a connection to you? How about the cops stop abusing and killing people then there would be no riots?
    I'm stating that the kids aren't alright. The local police could be whisked away to a penal colony on the moon and the same problems would pop up. No one really wants to confront the core issue here. I'm not saying that one should blindly submit to an immoral authority, but this type of ingrained behavior is playing right into their hands. The authorities are counting on certain behavioral characteristics so they can justify their necessity. Stop giving it to them, I say.

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    ....it's people.... eh-hem.... a handful of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post


    ....it's people.... eh-hem.... a handful of people.
    Not bad from Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    None of the looting or rioting would be happening in Baltimore right now if Cops didn't get to kill people with impunity.
    No more complicated than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    I'm stating that the kids aren't alright. The local police could be whisked away to a penal colony on the moon and the same problems would pop up. No one really wants to confront the core issue here. I'm not saying that one should blindly submit to an immoral authority, but this type of ingrained behavior is playing right into their hands. The authorities are counting on certain behavioral characteristics so they can justify their necessity. Stop giving it to them, I say.
    Can you name the last riot or looting incident that occurred when the cause WASN'T police or government over stepping their bounds? These riots are a DIRECT result of government abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    None of the looting or rioting would be happening in Baltimore right now if Cops didn't get to kill people with impunity.
    Yes, that is counter to constitutional intent.

    Civil courts are not providing justice. In fact, a court rule providing a new magistrate and judge when new co-plaintiffs join a civil rights suit that has been dismissed was unlawfully removed in secret by the district circuit courts starting in 2005. That was done to prevent Americans from getting a new magistrate and judge when refiling together. The rule was written in 1885 or so because Black in the south could not get justice, but revised by the supreme court in a separate section maybe in 1990 so it could easily be removed by abrogation of judicial councils.

    Now, if any of the families of people killed by LE file civil cases they are assigned to judges that will not provide justice. If more people are killed by the same LE agency, and new co-plaintiffs join in the suit, they do not get a new magistrate and judge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    I'm stating that the kids aren't alright. The local police could be whisked away to a penal colony on the moon and the same problems would pop up. No one really wants to confront the core issue here. I'm not saying that one should blindly submit to an immoral authority, but this type of ingrained behavior is playing right into their hands. The authorities are counting on certain behavioral characteristics so they can justify their necessity. Stop giving it to them, I say.
    Well, America is pretty much populated with wanton hedonists with inflated egos and a misplaced sense of entitlement. Not exactly a good long term strategy for social cohesion.
    When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
    When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post


    ....it's people.... eh-hem.... a handful of people.
    Myself and my handlers have systematically destroyed the black race over many decades and the white majority is next. Thank you and God Bless America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    Well, America is pretty much populated with wanton hedonists with inflated egos and a misplaced sense of entitlement. Not exactly a good long term strategy for social coherence.
    I would airdrop pamphlets of Fight Club into the inner cities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    Can you name the last riot or looting incident that occurred when that WASN'T the cause of police or government over stepping their bounds? These riots are a DIRECT result of government abuse.
    Yes, the federal government was infiltrated after the civil war (created by the eventual infiltrators to divide and conquer) and is working to dispense with the constitution.
    By failing to support the constitution, Americans become party to the infiltrators efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    I would airdrop pamphlets of Fight Club into the inner cities.
    Well, you would be violating the first rule.
    When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
    When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    Well, you would be violating the first rule.
    What's the worse that could happen? Napalm being slung around the streets of Baltimore? Heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    None of the looting or rioting would be happening in Baltimore right now if Cops didn't get to kill people with impunity.
    So why don't they get back at those with whom they are angry? They should be looting the cops, not the people who sell them stuff.

    Seems there are some who just use this as an opportunity to rob others and not care about much else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    So why don't they get back at those with whom they are angry? They should be looting the cops, not the people who sell them stuff.

    Seems there are some who just use this as an opportunity to rob others and not care about much else.
    There was a concerned minority focused on justice, but that all got washed away when the mob took over.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    So why don't they get back at those with whom they are angry? They should be looting the cops, not the people who sell them stuff.

    Seems there are some who just use this as an opportunity to rob others and not care about much else.
    Why don't the cops get prosecuted for killing people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    None of the looting or rioting would be happening in Baltimore right now if Cops didn't get to kill people with impunity.
    Yes, see my post linked below
    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    Why don't the cops get prosecuted for killing people?
    See this post.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5855729

    Which is why the impunity has existed and is reinforced by unlawful and unrightful judges or officials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    Why don't the cops get prosecuted for killing people?
    Sounds like people need to defend themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    None of the looting or rioting would be happening in Baltimore right now if Cops didn't get to kill people with impunity.
    Family secret: What the left won’t tell you about black crime

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-you-about-bl/

    In the summer of 2013, after neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman, a Hispanic, was acquitted in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, the political left wanted to have a discussion about everything except the black crime rates that lead people to view young black males with suspicion. Presi*dent Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder wanted to talk about gun control. The NAACP wanted to talk about racial profiling. Assorted academics and MSNBC talking heads wanted to discuss poverty, “stand-your-ground” laws, unemployment and the supposedly racist criminal justice system. But any candid debate on race and criminality in the United States must begin with the fact that blacks are responsible for an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes, which has been the case for at least the past half a century.

    Crime began rising precipitously in the 1960s after the Supreme Court, under Chief Justice Earl Warren, started tilting the scales in favor of the criminals. Some 63 percent of respondents to a Gallup poll taken in 1968 judged the Warren Court, in place from 1953 to 1969, too lenient on crime; but Warren’s jurisprudence was sup*ported wholeheartedly by the liberal intellectuals of that era, as well as by politicians who wanted to shift blame for criminal behavior away from the criminals. Popular books of the time, like Karl Menninger’s “The Crime of Punishment,” argued that “law and order” was an “inflammatory” term with racial overtones. “What it really means,” said Menninger, “is that we should all go out and find the n–– and beat them up.”

    The late William Stuntz, a Harvard law professor, addressed this history in his 2011 book, “The Collapse of American Criminal Justice.” “The lenient turn of the mid-twentieth century was, in part, the product of judges, prosecutors and politicians who saw criminal punishment as too harsh a remedy for ghetto violence,” wrote Mr. Stuntz. “The Supreme Court’s expansion of criminal defendants’ legal rights in the 1960s and after flowed from the Justices’ percep*tion that poor and black defendants were being victimized by a system run by white government officials. Even the rise of harsh drug laws was in large measure the product of reformers’ efforts to limit the awful costs illegal drug markets impose on poor city neighborhoods. Each of these changes flowed, in large measure, from the decisions of men who saw themselves as reformers. But their reforms showed an uncanny ability to take bad situations and make them worse.”

    Crime rates rose by 139 percent during the 1960s, and the murder rate doubled. Cities couldn’t hire cops fast enough. “The number of police per 1,000 people was up twice the rate of the population growth, and yet clearance rates for crimes dropped 31 percent and conviction rates were down 6 percent,” wrote Lucas A. Powe Jr. in “The Warren Court and American Politics,” his history of the Warren Court. “During the last weeks of his [1968] presidential campaign, Nixon had a favorite line in his standard speech. ‘In the past 45 minutes this is what happened in America. There has been one murder, two rapes, forty-five major crimes of violence, countless robberies and auto thefts.’”

    As remains the case today, blacks in the past were overrepre*sented among those arrested and imprisoned. In urban areas in 1967, blacks were 17 times more likely than whites to be arrested for robbery. In 1980 blacks comprised about one-eighth of the population but were half of all those arrested for murder, rape and robbery, according to FBI data. And they were between one-fourth and one-third of all those arrested for crimes such as burglary, auto theft and aggravated assault.

    Today blacks are about 13 percent of the population and continue to be responsible for an inordinate amount of crime. Between 1976 and 2005 blacks com*mitted more than half of all murders in the United States. The black arrest rate for most offenses — including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes — is still typically two to three times their representation in the population. Blacks as a group are also overrepresented among persons arrested for so-called white-collar crimes such as counterfeiting, fraud and embezzlement. And blaming this decades-long, well-documented trend on racist cops, prosecutors, judges, sentencing guidelines and drug laws doesn’t cut it as a plausible explanation.

    “Even allowing for the existence of discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher rates of crime among black Americans cannot be denied,” wrote James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein in their classic 1985 study, “Crime and Human Nature.” “Every study of crime using official data shows blacks to be overrepresented among persons arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for street crimes.” This was true decades before the authors put it to paper, and it remains the case decades later.

    “The overrepresentation of blacks among arrested persons persists throughout the criminal justice system,” wrote Wilson and Herrnstein. “Though prosecutors and judges may well make discriminatory judgments, such decisions do not account for more than a small fraction of the overrepresentation of blacks in prison.” Yet liberal policy makers and their allies in the press and the academy consistently downplay the empirical data on black crime rates, when they bother to discuss them at all. Stories about the racial makeup of prisons are commonplace; stories about the excessive amount of black criminality are much harder to come by.

    “High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination,” wrote Mr. Stuntz. “The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segrega*tion but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans — and of African American control of city governments.” The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and “the system,” but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and ’80s in cities such as Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Washington under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the United States today are run by blacks.

    Black people are not shooting each other at these alarming rates in Chicago and other urban areas because of our gun laws or our drug laws or a criminal justice system that has it in for them. The problem is primarily cultural — self-destructive behaviors and attitudes all too common among the black underclass. The problem is black criminal behavior, which is one manifestation of a black pathology that ultimately stems from the breakdown of the black family. Liberals want to talk about what others should do for blacks instead of what blacks should do for themselves. But if we don’t acknowledge the cultural barriers to black progress, how can we address them? How can you even begin to fix something that almost no one wants to talk about honestly?
    FJB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Sounds like people need to defend themselves.
    If a city in the United States allows its officers to kill citizens with impunity. If people like you turn your head the other way when these incidents occur and brush it off, you and people like you should not be surprised when you turn your head back and see the city burning.

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    This guy is my brother from another mother. Maybe the best thing to come out of this.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywo...altimore-riot/

    The youtube comment is on point.

    He's the hero this city deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
    Last edited by AuH20; 04-28-2015 at 11:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Family secret: What the left won’t tell you about black crime

    But if we don’t acknowledge the cultural barriers to black progress, how can we address them? How can you even begin to fix something that almost no one wants to talk about honestly?
    What racist ignorant crap.

    It all about psychologies inability or refusal or being blocked from understanding the human unconscious mind. That's where ANGER comes from as well as the capacity for violence.

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    That moonwalk vicious...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher A. Brown View Post
    What racist ignorant crap.

    It all about psychologies inability or refusal or being blocked from understanding the human unconscious mind. That's where ANGER comes from as well as the capacity for violence.
    If you are cut off from your lineage and stuck in a lifeless, concrete box that characterizes our urban environments, chances are that you're going to be angry. That is the wellspring that they are drawing from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    If a city in the United States allows its officers to kill citizens with impunity. If people like you turn your head the other way when these incidents occur and brush it off, you and people like you should not be surprised when you turn your head back and see the city burning.
    I don't live in a city. I'll defend myself as I see necessary.

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