Wants to run a pipeline for water from Washington State to California....
The problem is that the Seattle region is facing drought as well.
http://www.king5.com/story/tech/scie...line/26080985/
At least he is asking for crowd funding- not taxes.
Me too.
Thought this would be a Starbucks Pipeline.
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Feasibility aside, I wonder if it would really cost that much.
I mean, I know it would if the FedGov was building it, but if it were privately contracted with incentives to finish "on time/early" and "at cost/under cost" I bet the price would be considerably lower.
A few years back with an interstate bridge collapsed in Oklahoma the contractor was offered incentives to finish on time (subject to safety verifications) and the project actually finished a couple of weeks early.
I've often wondered about the feasibility of running water pipelines along existing interstate routes. States and/or municipalities with an excess of water (and it seems like someone's always got a "too much rain!" problem going on somewhere) could put water up for sale to the highest bidder in an open market system. Costs of installation could be covered by selling stocks or shares (or even crowdfunding per Shatner's idea) and pumping costs could be covered by a percentage of the profits from the water sales.
I am just guessing here as far as the price but couldn't they build a bunch of coastal nuclear power plants for that amount and incorporate salt water distillation into the cooling process killing two birds with one stone?
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Short answer - yes, most certainly. California only has itself to blame for its water and energy woes.
Instead, CA is shutting down power plants and probably refuses build de-salination plants. Environmental lobby, ya know.
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Jesus Christ...JK/SEA...two words:The drought and water shortages in much of the Southwest are not predicted to abate anytime soon. And a December op-ed in the Los Angeles Times suggested that the issue of water may drive the next great migration straight into the Pacific Northwest.
Run Away!
Ain't that scary? California tells Washington, 'Send us your water or we'll send you our excess yuppies!'
LMAO!!! If that doesn't work, Washingtonians could also threaten to send California way a bunch of grunge rock/hippie musicians from the Seattle hipster scene.
Nah. They'd actually like that.
Besides, California exports its excess yuppies in every direction. Arizona, New Mexico, Texas--a few even make it this far.
I'm no yuppie.
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Are those designer shades in your avatar?Ever been to a fern bar?Had a pair of jeans that cost over $35.00?I'm no yuppie.
Sorry,us people in flyover country can't be too careful,we've been burned before.
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I've never spent over 10.00 for a pair of sunglasses, and I wear Levis. Always have, always will. Don't know what a fern bar is. What is it?Are those designer shades in your avatar?Ever been to a fern bar?Had a pair of jeans that cost over $35.00?
Sorry,us people in flyover country can't be too careful,we've been burned before.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fern_barFern bar was an American slang term for an upscale or preppy (or yuppie) bar or tavern catering to singles usually decorated with ferns or other greenery, as well as such decor as fake Tiffany lamps. The phrase came into common use in the late 1970s or early 1980s.
I've never been in one myself but I have heard the horror stories from California.
They are crawling with yuppies.
Well,you would fit right in,but you can see why we have to be careful.I've never spent over 10.00 for a pair of sunglasses, and I wear Levis. Always have, always will. Don't know what a fern bar is. What is it?
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Desalination plant in Carlsbad expected to go online this fall and produce enough water for 70,000 homes at the cost of $1 billion- enough for about ten percent of San Diego County. http://abc7.com/science/carlsbad-des...emands/369579/ But yeah- it takes a lot of fighting to get one built. (laugh at CA but other state also have NIMBY problems). It will be the largest one in the US.
We are still dry this year. Not only that but the last eighteen straight months have seen above average temperatures (March was a record).
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Yeah, I'm well aware of how hated California transplants are. A friend of ours who now lives in Montana has regaled us with his horror stories.
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well, you will need to get used to how people drive around here. nobody is really in a hurry or anything.Yeah, I'm well aware of how hated California transplants are. A friend of ours who now lives in Montana has regaled us with his horror stories.
they will even stop and hold up traffic to let you make a left turn or merge.
we also pull over and stop for funerals.
in time, you will stop cussing at us and all will be normal..
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funny you should mention. Told the wife we better build that pipe, or millions of people are coming to our backyard....
flip side is, my 400k house could be worth over a million soon...
Hmmm... $1 Billion. For 70,000 homes. My math puts that at over $14K per home. 10 to 15 years before they start making a profit? Not including operation and maintenance costs? Which we all know will be high because operating a plant like this requires a lot of juice. I didn't click the link, but this has to be a government-sponsored project, right?
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A slower pace would suit me fine.well, you will need to get used to how people drive around here. nobody is really in a hurry or anything.
they will even stop and hold up traffic to let you make a left turn or merge.
we also pull over and stop for funerals.
in time, you will stop cussing at us and all will be normal..
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Desalination is costly- which is why it hasn't been done more. http://www.mercurynews.com/science/c...t-goes-up-near
HIGH COST
Almost every discussion about desalination begins and ends with cost.
Desalinated water typically costs about $2,000 an acre foot -- roughly the amount of water a family of five uses in a year. The cost is about double that of water obtained from building a new reservoir or recycling wastewater, according to a 2013 study from the state Department of Water Resources.
And its price tag is at least four times the cost of obtaining "new water" from conservation methods -- such as paying farmers to install drip irrigation, or providing rebates for homeowners to rip out lawns or buy water-efficient toilets.
"We look out and see a vast ocean. It seems obvious," said Heather Cooley, water director for the Pacific Institute, a nonprofit research organization in Oakland. "But it's cost prohibitive for most places in California."
In Carlsbad, two gallons of seawater will be needed to produce each gallon of drinking water. And to remove the salt, the plant will use an enormous amount of energy -- about 38 megawatts, enough to power 28,500 homes -- to force 100 million gallons of seawater a day through a series of filters. The process, known as reverse osmosis, removes salt and other impurities by blasting the water at six times the pressure of a fire hose through membranes with microscopic holes.Sometimes the high costs can turn off the spigot.
After enduring severe water shortages during a drought in the late 1980s, Santa Barbara voters agreed to spend $34 million to build a desalination plant. It opened in 1991 and provided water for four months. When the drought ended, the city shut it down. Water from reservoirs and other sources was significantly cheaper.
Similarly, Australia spent more than $10 billion building six huge seawater desalination plants during a severe drought from 1997 to 2009. Today, Cooley noted, four are shut down because when rains finally came, the cost of the water became noncompetitive.
"We run the risk of building facilities that we don't use," Cooley said. "And that's a waste of money."
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After enduring severe water shortages during a drought in the late 1980s, Santa Barbara voters agreed to spend $34 million to build a desalination plant. It opened in 1991 and provided water for four months. When the drought ended, the city shut it down. Water from reservoirs and other sources was significantly cheaper.
Similarly, Australia spent more than $10 billion building six huge seawater desalination plants during a severe drought from 1997 to 2009. Today, Cooley noted, four are shut down because when rains finally came, the cost of the water became noncompetitive.
"We run the risk of building facilities that we don't use," Cooley said. "And that's a waste of money."
So it sounds like the only thing preventing more of these from being built is the fear of not being able to recoup the investment costs. Hmm.
I wonder if there is any way to build one of these in modular form. That way, when a drought in any given area ends, the desal plant can simply be packed up and shipped off to the current high bidder who is suffering from drought. That way if some billionaire wants to invest in a few dozen of these, he's free to offer them on a rental/lease basis for varying terms. One year, two, three, five year leases could all be available. When the lease ends, the owner of the plant is free to lease it to the next drought-stricken area.
Free market at work.
run a pipe from lake Michigan......
So... Basically, you just confirmed my post? Like I said, $1 Billion just builds it. They still have to operate it.
Pretty sure this is the definition of a boondoggle. Has nothing to do with NIMBY.
California would better off paying hundreds of rain dancers.
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I'd have to disagree. Carriers, battleships, subs and the like have them, and if they can maintain them, coastal cities can too. The public needs to apply pressure and the private industry needs to step up. Otherwise, the gubers will use every excuse in the book to take more money and get more control over the population using the water shortage as an excuse. They're already talking about putting meters on private wells. We are on a private well. And I will be standing in front of it with a weapon if they try to charge me for my water. Guaranteed.
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Yeah, I don't want to use one bad policy as a justification for another bad policy. Did you see above where it's going to cost $14K per household it is designed to provide water for? And that's just to build it! It costs an incredible amount to actually run it. Yeah, they can blow money on government ships, but we shouldn't encourage them to blow more just because they do it somewhere else! You know someone's getting rich off this boondoggle, right?
Hell, maybe Shatner can just beam water from his planet.
Seriously, though. The answer is to allow the market to work. Let water prices rise to meet demand. Then innovative people will find a way to bring water to California. Hell, desalination might even be a part of it if the cost gets high enough.
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Too many people living in an area that historically has not been able to support them. There is no fix really but to reduce the population of the area.
Afraid that ship's done sailed.
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