Andrew Jackson to be replaced on $20 bill?

[acptulsa]

Or are we referring to the likes of the Comanche who were brutal, sadistic killers?

As if you wouldn't be if overwhelming forces were threatening to take you and your land over for no particular reason. And drive your prime food source nearly to extinction.

[AuH20]

As if you wouldn't be if overwhelming forces were threatening to take you and your land over for no particular reason. And drive your prime food source nearly to extinction.

The baby killing and gang rape could have been shelved. That was just unnecessary.

[AuH20]

FYI. I'm generally sympathetic to the plight of the Native Americans, but this a great account on how 'loco' the Comanche were.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ies-alive.html

But the Comanche tribe’s furious response knew no bounds. When the Texans suggested they swap the Comanche prisoners for their captives, the Indians tortured every one of those captives to death instead.

‘One by one, the children and young women were pegged out naked beside the camp fire,’ according to a contemporary account. ‘They were skinned, sliced, and horribly mutilated, and finally burned alive by vengeful women determined to wring the last shriek and convulsion from their agonised bodies. Matilda Lockhart’s six-year-old sister was among these unfortunates who died screaming under the high plains moon.’

Not only were the Comanche specialists in torture, they were also the most ferocious and successful warriors — indeed, they become known as ‘Lords of the Plains’.
They were as imperialist and genocidal as the white settlers who eventually vanquished them.

The first Indians to take up the horse, they had an aptitude for horsemanship akin to that of Genghis Khan’s Mongols. Combined with their remarkable ferocity, this enabled them to dominate more territory than any other Indian tribe: what the Spanish called Comancheria spread over at least 250,000 miles.

They terrorized Mexico and brought the expansion of Spanish colonization of America to a halt. They stole horses to ride and cattle to sell, often in return for firearms.

Other livestock they slaughtered along with babies and the elderly (older women were usually raped before being killed), leaving what one Mexican called ‘a thousand deserts’. When their warriors were killed they felt honour-bound to exact a revenge that involved torture and death.

Settlers in Texas were utterly terrified of the Comanche, who would travel almost a thousand miles to slaughter a single white family.

So intimidating was Comanche cruelty, almost all raids by Indians were blamed on them. Texans, Mexicans and other Indians living in the region all developed a particular dread of the full moon — still known as a ‘Comanche Moon’ in Texas — because that was when the Comanche came for cattle, horses and captives.

They were infamous for their inventive tortures, and women were usually in charge of the torture process.

The Comanche roasted captive American and Mexican soldiers to death over open fires. Others were castrated and scalped while alive. The most agonising Comanche tortures included burying captives up to the chin and cutting off their eyelids so their eyes were seared by the burning sun before they starved to death.

Contemporary accounts also describe them staking out male captives spread-eagled and naked over a red-ant bed. Sometimes this was done after excising the victim’s private parts, putting them in his mouth and then sewing his lips together.

[acptulsa]

The baby killing and gang rape could have been shelved. That was just unnecessary.

The Quakers and other yankee pilgrims thought so. But the cotton pickin' racists down south weren't any more above teaching the Five Civilized Tribes all about it than they were above doing it to their own property.

The only problem western settlers had was the reputations of southern rednecks got out west ahead of the pioneers, and by then the Comanches and Apaches knew for certain that they had nothing to lose.

FYI. I'm generally sympathetic to the plight of the Native Americans, but this a great account on how 'loco' the Comanche were.

A mighty selective view of history. Do I really need to further hijack this thread with tales of the madcap adventures of the $#@!ing Spanish Inquisition?

Put a sock in this goofy shtuff before you get your foot so deep in your mouth even a surgeon can't extract it.

[AuH20]

The Quakers and other yankee pilgrims thought so. But the cotton pickin' racists down south weren't any more above teaching the Five Civilized Tribes all about it than they were above doing it to their own property.

The only problem western settlers had was the reputations of southern rednecks got out west ahead of the pioneers, and by then the Comanches and Apaches knew for certain that they had nothing to lose.

It's interesting that you bring up the Comanche and Apache, when the Comanche almost successfully exterminated the Apache.

[acptulsa]

It's interesting that you bring up the Comanche and Apache, when the Comanche almost successfully exterminated the Apache.

That's one tribe's worth of women and children on the Comanche's scorecard, and some odd two dozen on the caucasian scorecard. And you're playing holier-than-whom?!

[AuH20]

A mighty selective view of history. Do I really need to further hijack this thread with tales of the madcap adventures of the $#@!ing Spanish Inquisition?

Put a sock in this goofy shtuff before you get your foot so deep in your mouth even a surgeon can't extract it.

Human beings are generally prone to evil behavior, even select Indian tribes. I think that's the lesson here.

[AuH20]

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[acptulsa]

Human beings are generally prone to evil behavior, even select Indian tribes.

Including evil behavior like singling out a select little group for extra condemnation in order to distract attention from the fact that the worst crimes against humanity in all of history belong squarely on one's own tribal doorstep?

[AuH20]

That's one tribe's worth of women and children on the Comanche's scorecard, and some odd two dozen on the caucasian scorecard. And you're playing holier-than-whom?!

I am not excusing any rapacious and dishonest behavior on the part of the white man. It's well documented and an unwashable stain on the creation of this country. I think we have a bad habit of solely ascribing certain negative characteristics to the White power structure while overlooking the sins of the more extreme tribes of the Native American population. That's all.

[acptulsa]

I am not excusing any rapacious and dishonest behavior on the part of the white man. It's well documented and an unwashable stain on the creation of this country. I think we have a bad habit of just ascribing certain negative characteristics to the White power structure while overlooking the sins of the more extreme tribes of the Native American population. That's all.

Hitler was born within spitting distance of the Caucasus Mountains. And Stalin was born on one of them.

Let he whose ancestors are without sin toss those stones. Or better still, lay off the statist collectivism and let us get back to having an adult conversation about individuals.

And do it quick before you get stupid enough to let someone the same color as you talk you into moving into a FEMA camp for your own good. Because the Comanches are no threat to you. But there are plenty of people just as lily-white as you who are a threat. A major threat.

[AuH20]

Hitler was born within spitting distance of the Caucasus Mountains. And Stalin was born on one of them.

Let he whose ancestors are without sin toss those stones. Or better still, lay off the statist collectivism and let us get back to having an adult conversation about individuals.

No collectivism. Individuals typically form groups and defer to dynamic or more powerful individuals for better or worse. I don't think the Native American population is any different. Take the Aztecs for example that partook in human sacrifice quite frequently. There is that familiar shade of Hitler and Stalin found in Tenochtitlán. Individuals were killed for the 'glory' of the empire.

[acptulsa]

I suppose I should be nice and let you have the last word, since you don't seem capable of ceasing to embarrass yourself unless and until you get it...

[AuH20]

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[AuH20]

I suppose I should be nice and let you have the last word, since you don't seem capable of ceasing to embarrass yourself unless and until you get it...

How did this morph into a battle of you against me? I stated my case. I never defended the heinous crimes of the colonial powers, quite the contrary. But this myth that the white man exclusively brought terror and malice to the New World is largely fable. It always resided here under different incarnations (just not as grand and meticulously organized as what had developed on the European continent). Granted, I would much rather live in the Iroquois Nation of yesteryear as opposed to being a serf to the federal government today. That's a no brainer.

[Suzanimal]

New 10 dollar bill to feature a woman

A woman will replace Alexander Hamilton on the $10 bill — the first woman to be on a American paper currency in more than 100 years, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew announced Thursday.

Lew said he would announce which woman before the end of the year, after the administration seeks national input this summer.

"America’s currency is a way for our nation to make a statement about who we are and what we stand for," Lew said. "Our paper bills — and the images of great American leaders and symbols they depict — have long been a way for us to honor our past and express our values."

Martha Washington and Pocahontas were each featured on paper currency more than 100 years ago, Treasury officials said.

The announcement comes after much speculation in recent weeks that a woman would be on a new paper note.

Lew said Obama administration officials are seeking advice nationwide — including people who "aren't comfortable using a hashtag as well as people who are comfortable using a hashtag."

"We are going to be open to many ideas as we go forward consistent with theme of democracy," Lew said. "Our thinking is to select a woman who has played a major role in our history who represents the theme of democracy."

The bills with Hamilton in it, which were first introduced in 1929, will continue to be used for as long as those bill last, Lew said.

Lew said that there is "no other bill in development."

House Financial Services Committee chairman Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas) said he welcomed the announcement.

“As chairman of the committee with jurisdiction over the production of our currency, I look forward to hearing more from the Treasury Secretary about this announcement," Hensarling said in a statement.

Hensarling then attacked the administration's spending policies.

"By running up the national debt to more than $18 trillion, the administration’s spending policies put these dollars at risk of being worth less no matter whose face is on them," Hensarling said.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/24...on-the-10-bill

[acptulsa]

What? Instead if ditching the guy who hated central banks, they're going to ditch the guy who loved them?

Weird. Did we do that?

[devil21]

Lemme guess, the new money will not say Federal Reserve Note on it anymore.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

the only one I could honestly think of is Susan B. Anthony. Remember not all people on the currency were presidents. There's Ben!
I really hope there's a legit reason to put some woman's face on the currency other than "lol feminism"

[alucard13mm]

the only one I could honestly think of is Susan B. Anthony. Remember not all people on the currency were presidents. There's Ben!
I really hope there's a legit reason to put some woman's face on the currency other than "lol feminism"

its gonna empower feminazis... like they accomplished something.

[roho76]

I hope it's Margret Sanger. Our currency is a joke so I don't mind. Not sad to see Hamilton go. I'm glad it wasn't Jefferson, Jackson or Franklin.

[Zippyjuan]

the only one I could honestly think of is Susan B. Anthony. Remember not all people on the currency were presidents. There's Ben!
I really hope there's a legit reason to put some woman's face on the currency other than "lol feminism"

She already had her shot at being on money.



Betsy Ross? Dolly Madison? Eleanor Roosevelt? It can't by law be any living person. Newly designed notes due out by 2020.

[Ronin Truth]

WAAAAAY, past time to end that FRN abomination to Old Hickory.

Put Wilson on it.

[r3volution 3.0]

Replace Roosevelt on the dime with Harding.

Replace Hamilton on the $10 with Jefferson.

Replace Lincoln on the penny and the $5 with Robert E. Lee.

O, and Grant on the $50, let's not forget Grant - replace him with a bottle of whiskey.

...alternately, if this is intended as a dishonor, nix Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, and Franklin and substitute Wilson, LBJ, Nixon, and J.P. Morgan.

[Pericles]

New 10 dollar bill to feature a woman


http://thehill.com/policy/finance/24...on-the-10-bill

[Uriel999]

I used to feel that way about Jackson, until I realized the evil nature of debt and international banking, and he is the only president to successfully eliminate both. That alone makes him top five in my book, though he's taken down a peg or two by the Trail of Tears, ignoring the Supreme Court, and his stronghanded tactics against nullification.

But banking is so incredibly, indescribably evil, that he still wins a top five position for his accomplishments there. Jefferson is still no. 1.

Number 1 was clearly William Henry Harrison.

I'm not sure whether to pos or neg rep you....

[Henry Rogue]

Do we really need pictures of our Dear Leaders on bank notes?

I vote for Clowns. Bozo, Clarabell, even Krusty.

[Occam's Banana]

h/t EPJ: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com...n-us-fiat.html

Bernanke on the $10 Bill Controversy
https://mises.org/blog/bernanke-10-bill-controversy
Mark Thornton (22 June 2015)

Ben Bernanke reveals more about his own views when he comments on the $10 bill controversy to replace Alexander Hamilton. Bernanke attacked Secretary Jack Lew's idea to replace Hamilton with a women:

I must admit I was appalled to hear of Treasury Secretary Jack Lew's decision last week to demote Alexander Hamilton from his featured position on the ten dollar bill. Hamilton, the first Secretary of the Treasury, would qualify as among the greatest of our founders for his contributions to achieving American independence and creating the Constitution alone. In addition to those accomplishments, however, Hamilton was without doubt the best and most foresighted economic policymaker in U.S. history.

Hamilton should get some credit for the Constitution and for being a policy maker. But the Constitution was an inferior form of government compared to the Articles of Confederation and his economic policy making was all geared toward bigger government and monetary nationalism, the two problems that are arguably the greatest threats to the American people, their prosperity, and their liberty. Bernanke then goes on to present a convoluted history of National Banks and bank panics during the 19th century. However, he does provide a suggestion for resolving the $10 bill controversy. Leave good old Hamilton on the $10 and take President Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill and replace him with a women. He notes:

Replace Andrew Jackson, a man of many unattractive qualities and a poor president, on the twenty dollar bill. Given his views on central banking, Jackson would probably be fine with having his image dropped from a Federal Reserve note.

This is probably the only idea of Ben Bernanke (removing the anti-central banking Jackson from the $20 bill) that I can agree with. And while you are at it take the image of Thomas Jefferson off the $2 bill and replace him with Paul Krugman or Ben Bernanke.

[Suzanimal]

$10 bill change rankles descendant of Alexander Hamilton

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Doug Hamilton is just fine with plans to put a woman's portrait on U.S. paper money, but he'd prefer that the Treasury Department leave the $10 bill alone — particularly the prominent visage of his great-great-great-great-great-grandfather, Alexander Hamilton.

The 10-spot is a source of family pride in Hamilton's house in suburban Columbus, a dignified symbol of the historical importance of his ancestor, whose picture has been on it since 1929. So naturally, Hamilton started making some noise when he heard about the proposal that has Alexander Hamilton sharing the note with a deserving woman yet to be chosen.

The 64-year-old salesman for IBM has joined a growing backlash against what he calls the "diminishing" of Hamilton, who as the country's first treasury secretary created the modern U.S. financial system, with a national debt, bank and mint, and with the dollar as currency.

"He's the father of paper money," says Doug Hamilton, who has a son and grandson carrying the name of their famous ancestor. (His daughter, Elizabeth, was named for Alexander Hamilton's wife.)

He's urging people to sign a petition on the White House "We The People" website, and this weekend he'll be preaching the Hamiltonian gospel at a series of annual events in New York and New Jersey planned around the anniversary of Alexander Hamilton's death on July 12, 1804, a day after his duel with Aaron Burr.

The trip also will include a preview of the hip-hop musical "Hamilton," based on Ron Chernow's biography of Alexander Hamilton, opening on Broadway.

Outcry over Hamilton's possible demotion has been somewhat lost in the wave of excitement over the inclusion of a woman's portrait on paper currency. The Treasury Department says the $10 bill was chosen because it's up next for a redesign to improve anti-counterfeiting features. The new bill would go into circulation in 2020.

Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew said this week that he's sticking with the plan, despite critics arguing that a woman should be featured on the $20 bill in place of Andrew Jackson, whom many historians view less favorably because of his treatment of Native Americans and his ownership of slaves.

"Right now is the time to call that out," says Barbara Howard, founder of the group Women on 20s, which advocates replacing Jackson with a deserving woman from history. Doug Hamilton has joined forces with Howard's group and others trying to change Lew's mind.

Meanwhile, former Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke wrote in a blog that he was "appalled" at the idea of adding a woman to the $10 bill at Hamilton's expense. The New York Times wrote in a Fourth of July editorial that it's a much better idea to bump Jackson, an undistinguished president who, ironically, hated the idea of paper currency.

"The announcement has really befuddled people," says Rand Scholet, president of a group called The Alexander Hamilton Awareness Society, which planned some of the events this weekend expected to draw hundreds.

According to the Treasury Department, putting Hamilton's portrait on the $10 bill was included in the changes made by the government "to restore faith in economic power of the United States and currency" after the economic crash of 1929 and into the Great Depression.

Hamilton, a penniless orphan from the Caribbean, rose through the ranks in the Revolutionary War to become George Washington's right-hand man. He was an early and tireless advocate for a federal system that bound the struggling young nation together. As one author of the Federalist Papers, he composed some of the most famous and influential essays in American history, arguing for a U.S. Constitution.

Doug Hamilton has known since he was a kid that he was related to the founding father. His grandmother first told him, and he confirmed it later through genealogical studies. But all that aside, he says his ancestor's towering achievements have earned him a permanent place on the bill, and the picture should remain untouched.

"We think," Doug Hamilton says, "he is somebody the younger generation should look up to."

http://news.yahoo.com/alexander-hami...--finance.html

[Zippyjuan]

The $10 bill may have been selected since it is the least used one (after the $2 bill).