Results 1 to 9 of 9

Thread: Boaters Accuse Anti-Terrorism Unit Protecting Cruise Ship of Going Too Far

  1. #1

    Boaters Accuse Anti-Terrorism Unit Protecting Cruise Ship of Going Too Far

    http://www.independent.com/news/2015...shes-yachters/

    Coast Guard Clashes with Yachters

    S.B. Boaters Accuse Anti-Terrorism Unit Protecting Cruise Ship of Going Too Far
    Friday, April 17, 2015
    By Tyler Hayden


    Last week, during the Santa Barbara Yacht Club’s Wet Wednesday sailing race, harbor officials began fielding complaints from multiple boaters that Coast Guard crews guarding a nearby cruise ship were aggressively ordering them away from the ship and leveling their rifles and .50 caliber machine guns at race participants. The boaters claimed the Coast Guard were excessively intimidating with their bullhorns and weapons during the confrontations.

    “This was the first time during my 15-year sailing career in Santa Barbara that I’ve seen the Coast Guard with their guns drawn,” said yacht racer Bengt Johansson this Thursday. “Quite intimidating — especially on the same day a guy got shot for a broken tail light.”


    “I saw the Coast Guard inflatables approach some boats at full speed with lights flashing and artillery pointed at them,” said Thomas Tunberg, echoing additional accounts relayed to The Independent.


    The Coast Guard has categorically denied aiming any guns at yachters, but it admitted that the hostilities arose out of a changing of the guard and an unannounced and still vague expansion of the security zone it enforces around cruise ships.

    For last Wednesday’s race, the Coast Guard brought an elite anti-terrorism team up from their Los Angeles-Long Beach base to oversee the safety buffer. In response to heightened concerns over domestic and overseas extremism, the Coast Guard recently ratcheted up its frequency of cruise ship escorts off Southern California.

    But the roving Maritime Safety and Security Teams — of which there are only about a dozen in the country, and who can display a gruffer bedside manner than their more localized counterparts — are also sometimes just used to “fill in the gaps” when a specific jurisdiction’s manpower or equipment is pulled elsewhere, said Coast Guard spokesperson Petty Officer Adam Eggers. It’s unclear exactly why the special ops squad was dispatched last week to South Coast waters, which are normally patrolled by a smaller Coast Guard crew and its cutter Blackfin based in the Santa Barbara Harbor.

    Regardless, the out-of-town contingent enforced a larger security zone than had ever been mandated before, ordering boats to stay 500 yards away from the Princess cruise ship, rather than the customary 100 yards. The 100-yard buffer was created in 2012 specifically for cruise ships parked within three miles of Santa Barbara’s shoreline because they aren’t offered the physical protections of a traditional port. The distance increase caught both yacht racers and city officials by surprise.

    Cruise ships dock half a nautical mile off the coast, typically in the middle of the Wet Wednesday course and between permanently anchored rounding buoys, though distance between the racers and the ships hadn’t been an issue before. There have been eight cruise ship visits to Santa Barbara so far this year, with five more scheduled between now and May 19. The same Maritime Safety and Security Team will offer protection during four of those stops.

    When Santa Barbara harbor officials reached out to Southern California Coast Guard commanders to address Wednesday’s confrontations and ask about the 500-yard buffer, they were told Coast Guard brass had unilaterally made the decision to enact an increase. No reason was given. Harbor officials wondered why that information had not been relayed to them or anyone else in Santa Barbara, and the Coast Guard said it would make attempts to better communicate the order. It declined requests to shrink the security zone back to 100 yards during Wet Wednesday races.

    Coast Guard spokesperson Eggers, however, said that Santa Barbara’s 100-yard rule still stands, and that the anti-terrorism squad was simply enforcing its own 500-yard directive it follows any time it escorts a large ship. “What they should have said, and been much more clear about, is, ‘The law is 100 yards, but we’re requesting you maintain a distance of 500 yards,’” Eggers said, explaining the unit is normally assigned to protect Navy boats that require a wider berth. “We are unbelievably apologetic,” he said.

    Eggers speculated the team “reacted to their training because they’re not a local, in-the-harbor type of unit.” They typically operate two to four 25-foot boats with four to five crewmembers on each boat, he said. The teams were established in 2002 in direct response to 9/11 and are part of Homeland Security protections of U.S. waterways and seaports.

    Whether the buffer zone has actually and permanently been enlarged remains unknown. Mick Kronman, Santa Barbara’s harbor operations manager, said he’s been in touch with the Coast Guard and is trying to clear the air so smoother sailing prevails. “We’re working to establish a dialogue between the Waterfront Department, the Yacht Club, and cruise ships to discuss this issue and a potential, modest relocation of the cruise ship anchoring point,” he explained. Santa Barbara’s fishermen will likely be a part of that conversation, Kronmen said, to avoid possibly moving the anchor point over hot fishing grounds.
    http://www.independent.com/news/2015...shes-yachters/
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



  2. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  3. #2
    You folks still have any doubt they'll open fire on us when the order is given?

  4. #3
    “This was the first time during my 15-year sailing career in Santa Barbara that I’ve seen the Coast Guard with their guns drawn,” said yacht racer Bengt Johansson this Thursday. “Quite intimidating — especially on the same day a guy got shot for a broken tail light.”

    “I saw the Coast Guard inflatables approach some boats at full speed with lights flashing and artillery pointed at them,” said Thomas Tunberg, echoing additional accounts relayed to The Independent.
    Welcome to the New AmeriKa bub.

  5. #4
    All 22 of the comments at the bottom so far are against the Coast Guard.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  6. #5
    lol speak of the devil......23rd reader comment the resident anti-CT agent/troll/poster Herschel_Greenspan chimed in with a defense of the Coast Guard, claiming they "apologized". Of course, they didn't apologize for what they did, they actually DENIED it...
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  7. #6
    Anyone know what's going on with coastie - haven't seen him around in a while. Last I heard he was having some family issues.

    -t

  8. #7
    What's frustrating though is that half the comments are blaming it on the cruise ship industry and are pushing to ban cruise ships parking off our coast.. I mean, this town thrives off the tourist industry, most tourists have to come in via our congested freeway and take up valuable, limited real estate in their hotel beds at night. These cruise ship folks just come in for a few hours and give us their money, you'd think people would be a bit more gracious...

    But no, according to them the tyranny is not coming from government, but from the cruise ship industry
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You folks still have any doubt they'll open fire on us when the order is given?
    I never, ever had any illusions. Why? Well...

    The kids who are currently in the military today have been brought up in a nation which has been in a self-declared "state of war" for as long as most of them can remember.

    These same kids have been indoctrinated to believe that the country is under constant and immediate threat from nameless, faceless "terrorists."

    These same kids have - for nearly all their lives - have been taught to revere the idea of donning the uniform in order to "take the fight to the enemy!" They have been taught this in school, they have been taught this in church and Sunday school, they have been taught this in film and on TV.

    These kids have been barraged with the fear mongering mantra "If we don't stop them Over There, we'll have to fight them Over Here!"

    And soon these same kids will be told "The terrorists are here! They are NOT your fellow citizens, no matter what you might hear. It's kill or be killed!"


    These kids won't think twice about killing fellow citizens because they have been thoroughly indoctrinated not to view us as their fellow citizens. Through their rifle sights, we will appear as nothing but targets. The enemy.

    Kill.



  10. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  11. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You folks still have any doubt they'll open fire on us when the order is given?
    dead fingers don't work....



Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 25
    Last Post: 10-17-2014, 04:44 PM
  2. Security Guard on Cruise Ship and Billionaire
    By Mobiles in forum Open Discussion
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 09-12-2013, 11:52 PM
  3. What to do if your cruise ship becomes disabled
    By tangent4ronpaul in forum Open Discussion
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 03-15-2013, 10:40 AM
  4. Cruise ship attacked by pirates - funny responses
    By voytechs in forum Open Discussion
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 12-01-2008, 09:24 PM
  5. banner on a cruise ship
    By McDermit in forum Grassroots Central
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 11-01-2007, 06:49 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •