101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible

[Theocrat]

Wow, you seem to have a whole bunch of made up rules.

Did you happen to get any of them from the atheist Greeks?

Is logic logical? What are the axioms?

You have a rule, too, Ronin. Apparently, you think contradictions are bad, which is why you've started a thread on there being 101 "clear contradictions" in the Bible. But, once again, what rule are you using to state that it's wrong for the Bible to (allegedly) contradict itself? Until you account for that rule, then you are just making things up, that is, you're being arbitrary. And if you want to be arbitrary, then I can be equally arbitrary by stating that those "101 clear contradictions" are not contradictions at all, without giving you a Biblical, exegetical case for any of them.

[Jamesiv1]

another painfully boring derailment about LOGIC!!!! blah blah blah.....

"Good heavens, Miss Sakamoto! You're beautiful!!"

[Theocrat]

It seems he's pointing out the fallacy fallacy used in your post about contradictions-though he's going about it in a rather roundabout sort of way.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

No, the problem is Ronin Truth has assumed the very thing that he needs to prove before he engages in "exposing" 101 "clear contradictions" in Scripture. He has taken something for granted, but now he's being called out on it, and he cannot give us a straight answer on where he's coming from. That's the problem right there, philosophically speaking.

[Theocrat]

another painfully boring derailment about LOGIC!!!! blah blah blah.....

"Good heavens, Miss Sakamoto! You're beautiful!!"

A discussion on Logic is no derailment at all. Contradictions assume that there are laws of Logic. All I'm asking Ronin Truth is how does he know that Logic exists, in terms of his own worldview, and how does he account for those laws. I haven't heard his case yet, although he's trying to derail the thread by throwing questions at me which are irrelevant to this thread.

[Ronin Truth]

Ronin, you said that you believe there is logic, which means that you believe in an entity known as Logic. All I'm asking (and Sola, too) is how do you know that it exists because if you cannot account for the existence of Logic, then you have no rational right to start a thread about there being "contradictions in the Bible" because contradictions assumes that there are laws of Logic.

To answer your questions (all of which are irrelevant to this thread, by the way), I'm not a Pharisee, but I do believe that there is cognitive dissonance, which is why I've asked you about Logic.

Belief is not equal to knowledge. Perhaps my belief in logic is just faith based.

[Theocrat]

Belief is not equal to knowledge. Perhaps my belief in logic is just faith based.

So, you have no objective, rational basis for believing that Logic exists, Ronin?

[phill4paul]

another painfully boring derailment about LOGIC!!!! blah blah blah.....

"Good heavens, Miss Sakamoto! You're beautiful!!"

I'd blame the whole thing on not having a good editor. When publishing one would do well to retain one.

[Ronin Truth]

You have a rule, too, Ronin. Apparently, you think contradictions are bad, which is why you've started a thread on there being 101 "clear contradictions" in the Bible. But, once again, what rule are you using to state that it's wrong for the Bible to (allegedly) contradict itself? Until you account for that rule, then you are just making things up, that is, you're being arbitrary. And if you want to be arbitrary, then I can be equally arbitrary by stating that those "101 clear contradictions" are not contradictions at all, without giving you a Biblical, exegetical case for any of them.

Well now you're still just making more things up. Where did I say bad? Where did I say wrong?

You can BELIEVE and SAY whatever you wish. You may even be arbitrary, if you wish.

I doesn't really do anything to explain and account for any multiple different answers to simple Bible reported and stated situations, now does it?

[Theocrat]

Well now you're still just making more things up. Where did I say bad? Where did I say wrong?

You can BELIEVE and SAY whatever you wish. You may even be arbitrary, if you wish.

I doesn't really do anything to explain and account for any multiple different answers to simple Bible reported and stated situations, now does it?

If you don't believe that contradictions are bad, wrong, absurd, etc., then what was your reason for starting a thread on "101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible"?

[Ronin Truth]

Ronin, I don't see anything to indicate TER is a pharisee. You can easily make that case about Sola_Fide and others who take his approach, but TER, not so much. Can you link to a post or 2 that indicates TER is a pharisee?

I didn't know that TER was Theocrat. When did that happen?

He was asking questions, so I was asking questions.

[Ronin Truth]

Pre logic:

One cave man says Og was killed by a bear, another cave man says Og was killed by a tiger.

That's a contradiction. Someone or both is wrong or is lying.

[Ronin Truth]

If you don't believe that contradictions are bad, wrong, absurd, etc., then what was your reason for starting a thread on "101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible"?

Hoped for interesting conversations? (Yeah, that's the ticket.)

So far, I'd hafta say only so-so.

[Theocrat]

I didn't know that TER was Theocrat. When did that happen?

He was asking questions, so I was asking questions.

[Lol] I am not "Today's Epistle Reading" (or "TER"). He's an Eastern Orthodox Christian, while I'm a Presbyterian/Reformed Christian. I think that HB34 just mistook me for him.

[Theocrat]

Hoped for interesting conversations? (Yeah, that's the ticket.)

So far, I'd hafta say only so-so.

Then it's safe to say that you really don't know if those are contradictions in the Bible, do you, Ronin?

[Ronin Truth]

No, the problem is Ronin Truth has assumed the very thing that he needs to prove before he engages in "exposing" 101 "clear contradictions" in Scripture. He has taken something for granted, but now he's being called out on it, and he cannot give us a straight answer on where he's coming from. That's the problem right there, philosophically speaking.

No I don't.

And I'm coming from a planet in Andromeda, if it's all the same to you. (Or even if it's not, OK.)

[phill4paul]

Pre logic:

One cave man says Og was killed by a bear, another cave man says Og was killed by a tiger.

That's a contradiction. Someone or both is wrong or is lying.

If it were a Tigear I could totally understand the contradiction.

[Ronin Truth]

Then it's safe to say that you really don't know if those are contradictions in the Bible, do you, Ronin?

In my experience with you today, nothing yet you have had to say is safe.

Attempting to put false words in my mouth is both reprehensible and intellectually dishonest.

That does tend to also suggest that you are a Paulinist.

[Ronin Truth]

So, you have no objective, rational basis for believing that Logic exists, Ronin?

What part of 'perhaps' is causing you the difficulties?

[Ronin Truth]

[Lol] I am not "Today's Epistle Reading" (or "TER"). He's an Eastern Orthodox Christian, while I'm a Presbyterian/Reformed Christian. I think that HB34 just mistook me for him.

Sometimes he's just a goober, and often way too quick on the trigger.

Thanks for resolving that contradiction. It's a start.

[Natural Citizen]

So, you have no objective, rational basis for believing that Logic exists, Ronin?

Once you guys settle your dispute, I'd like to go back to this, please. Well...I had specifically asked S_F but I think you're following in where he wanted to go with it. I just wantto touch on some things. Predicate logic, Existential quantification and a few other things. Well...for starters. Mind and matter stuff essentially. Thanks.

[Ronin Truth]

If it were a Tigear I could totally understand the contradiction.

Og was nowhere near what is now called Alaska.

[Ronin Truth]

Once you guys settle your dispute, I'd like to go back to this, please. Well...I had specifically asked S_F but I think you're following in where he wanted to go with it. I just wantto touch on some things. Predicate logic, Existential quantification and a few other things. Well...for starters. Mind and matter stuff essentially. Thanks.

Sounds like a much different thread topic to me. I'd say go for it.

[Ronin Truth]

So, you have no objective, rational basis for believing that Logic exists, Ronin?

When did beliefs start requiring any objective rational basis.

Is reason rational?

Are there any subjective basis?

Does any of this have anything at all to do with truth?

[Natural Citizen]

Sounds like a much different thread topic to me. I'd say go for it.

No, it isn't. It is directly germane to the question that S_F asked as well as the same question you're answering for Theo.Which, btw, isn't relative to the op either. As well, it is germane to the question that I asked S_F in response to his question. And an answer certainly did not come from S_F, now, did it? And there is a reason that an answer didn't come. Oh, yes, indeedy...

[Ronin Truth]

Here's a few more of whatever they are preferably called. ( Questionable anomalies? )

According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
(a) “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true” (John 5:3 1)
(b) “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)

When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
(a) Yes (Matthew 21:12)
(b) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17).

The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
(a) Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
(b) No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)

Did Judas kiss Jesus?
(a) Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
(b) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)

What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?
(a) “The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times” (John 13:38).
(b) “Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.

Did Jesus bear his own cross?
(a) Yes (John 19:17)
(b) No (Matthew 27:31-32)

Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
(a) Yes(Matthew27:50-5 1;MarklS:37-38)
(b) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)

Did Jesus say anything secretly?
(a) No. “I have said nothing secretly” (John 18:20)
(b) Yes. “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything” (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)

Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
(a) On the cross (Mark 15:23)
(b) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)

The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?
(a) Yes (Mark 15:32)
(b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)

Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
(a) Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)
(b) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father” (John 20:17)

When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?
(a) Yes(Acts9:7)
(b) No(Acts22:9)

When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?
(a) Yes (Acts 26:14)
(b) No (Acts 9:7)

Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s duties were to be?
(a) Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
(b) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)

When the Israelites dwelt in $#@!tin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?
(a) Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)
(b) Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)

How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?
(a) Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)
(b) Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)

What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?
(a) He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
(b) He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)

How did Judas die?
(a) After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
(b) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)

Why is the field called “Field of Blood”?
(a) Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)
(b) Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)

Who is a ransom for whom?
(a) “The Son of Man came…to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all… “(I Timothy 2:5-6)
(b) “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright” (Proverbs 21:18)

Is the law of Moses useful?
(a) Yes. “All scripture is… profitable…” (2 Timothy 3:16)
(b) No. “. . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness… “(Hebrews 7:18)

What was the exact wording on the cross?
(a) “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew 27:37)
(b) “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26)
(c) “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke 23:38)
(d) “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” (John 19:19)

Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?
(a) Yes (Matthew 14:5)
(b) No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)

Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?
(a) Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
(b) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Luke’s gospel (Luke 6:12-16)

Jesus saw a man sit at the tax collector’s office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?
(a) Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
(b) Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)

Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?
(a) After (Mark 14:12-17)
(b) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)

Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
(a) Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
(b) No. (John 12:27)

In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did ‘he move away from his disciples to pray?
(a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
(b) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)

Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?
(a) Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)
(b) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)

What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?
(a) “Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47)
(b) “Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39)

When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? ” in what language did he speak?
(a) Hebrew: the words are “Eloi, Eloi …..“(Matthew 27:46)
(b) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi ….. “(Mark 15:34)

According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
(a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46)
(b) “It is finished” (John 19:30).

When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?
(a) Yes (Matthew 8:5)
(b) No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)

Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
(a) No (John 3:13)
(b) Yes. “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven” (2 Kings 2:11)

Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?
(a) Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
(b) Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)

Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?
(a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
(b) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices “so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus)” (Mark 16: 1)

When did the women buy the spices?
(a) After “the Sabbath was past” (Mark 16:1)
(b) Before the Sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.” Then, “on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment” (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)

At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
(a) “Toward the dawn” (Matthew 28: 1)
(b) “When the sun had risen” (Mark 16:2)

What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?
(a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)
(b) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)
(c) For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)

A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?
(a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back” (Mark 16:4) They found the stone “rolled away from the tomb” (Luke 24:2) They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb” (John 20:1)
(b) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)

Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’ body?
(a) Yes. “A young man in a white robe” (Mark 16:5). “Two men … in dazzling apparel” later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel – the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)
(b) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him” (John 20:2)

When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?
(a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)
(b) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him “Teacher.” Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me…” (John 20:11 to 17)

What was Jesus’ instruction for his disciples?
(a) “Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me” (Matthew 2 8: 10)
(b) “Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God” (John 20:17)

When did the disciples return to Galilee?
(a) Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee “some doubted” (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist
(b) After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high” (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them “during forty days” (Acts 1:3), and “charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise … “(Acts 1:4)

To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
(a) “To the Ishmaelites” (Genesis 37:28)
(b) “To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh” (Genesis 37:36)

Who brought Joseph to Egypt?
(a) The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then “took Joseph to Egypt” (Genesis 37:28)
(b) “The Midianites had sold him in Egypt” (Genesis 37:36)
(c) Joseph said to his brothers “I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt” (Genesis 45:4)

Does God change his mind?
(a) Yes. “The word of the Lord came to Samuel: “I repent that I have made Saul King…” (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
(b) No. God “will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent” (I Samuel 15:29)
(c) Yes. “And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel” (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:
i. “The Lord was sorry that he made man” (Genesis 6:6)
“I am sorry that I have made them” (Genesis 6:7)
ii. “And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people” (Exodus 32:14).
iii. (Lots of other such references).

The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:
(a) Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)
(b) The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.

Who killed Goliath?
(a) David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
(b) Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)

Who killed Saul?
(a) “Saul took his own sword and fell upon it…. Thus Saul died… (I Samuel 31:4-6)
(b) An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)

Does every man sin?
(a) Yes. “There is no man who does not sin” (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
(b) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. “Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). “We should be called children of God; and so we are” (I John 3: 1). “He who loves is born of God” (I John 4:7). “No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God” (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! “If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (I John 1:8)

Who will bear whose burden?
(a) “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2)
(b) “Each man will have to bear his own load” (Galatians 6:5)

How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
(a) Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
(b) Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)

Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
(a) After his baptism, “the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days … (Mark 1:12-13)
(b) Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee – two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)

Was baby Jesus’ life threatened in Jerusalem?
(a) Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
(b) No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the
Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)

When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?
(a) They worshipped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God” (Matthew 14:33)
(b) “They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened” (Mark 6:51-52)

[heavenlyboy34]

I didn't know that TER was Theocrat. When did that happen?

He was asking questions, so I was asking questions.

Beg your pardon. I meant to type Theocrat. They're different people entirely.

[heavenlyboy34]

Sometimes he's just a goober, and often way too quick on the trigger.

Everyone on the internets has made similar mistakes at some point or another, brother.

[Natural Citizen]

Meh. Ronin, I think you have to have a grasp on the structure of the Bible itself. The way that it is written. Which, I'll admit, I don't. And, so, yes...we ask people who we assume do. That's how the so called contradictions have to be addressed in a forum setting like this. I don't know. Would be nice if one of our biblical scholars would chime in on that aspect as opposed to what we've seen in response thus far.

[Sonny Tufts]

All I'm asking (and Sola, too) is how do you know that it exists because if you cannot account for the existence of Logic, then you have no rational right to start a thread about there being "contradictions in the Bible" because contradictions assumes that there are laws of Logic.

I call bull$#@!. Since both you and Ronin appear to agree that the laws of logic exist, it's completely irrelevant where they came from. Instead of attempting to explain away the apparent contradictions, you are altering the debate to try to show that the laws must have come from God. But whether they did or not has nothing whatsoever to do with resolving the inconsistencies.

[heavenlyboy34]

I call bull$#@!. Since both you and Ronin appear to agree that the laws of logic exist, it's completely irrelevant where they came from. Instead of attempting to explain away the apparent contradictions, you are altering the debate to try to show that the laws must have come from God. But whether they did or not has nothing whatsoever to do with resolving the inconsistencies.

Not really. If there's no standard of Truth (origin of logic), all our arguments are just opinions, no matter how well constructed.