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    Candidate Obama: "NAFTA was A Mistake", President Obama: TPP is a "High Priority"



    Is there anything this man has not lied about? What a disgusting disgrace he is.

    TPP: NAFTA on Steroids

    The Trans-Pacific Partnership, which would grant enormous new powers to corporations, is a massive assault on democracy.

    While the Occupy movement has forced a public discussion of extreme corporate influence on every aspect of our lives, behind closed doors corporate America is implementing a stealth strategy to formalize its rule in a truly horrifying manner. The mechanism is the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Negotiations have been conducted in extreme secrecy, so you are in good company if you have never heard of it. But the thirteenth round of negotiations between the United States and eight Pacific Rim nations will be held in San Diego in early July.

    The TPP has been cleverly misbranded as a trade agreement (yawn) by its corporate boosters. As a result, since George W. Bush initiated negotiations in 2008, it has cruised along under the radar. The Obama administration initially paused the talks, ostensibly to develop a new approach compatible with candidate Obama’s pledges to replace the old NAFTA-based trade model. But by late 2009, talks restarted just where Bush had left off.

    Since then, US negotiators have proposed new rights for Big Pharma and pushed into the text aspects of the Stop Online Piracy Act, which would limit Internet freedom, despite the derailing of SOPA in Congress earlier this year thanks to public activism. In June a text of the TPP investment chapter was leaked, revealing that US negotiators are even pushing to expand NAFTA’s notorious corporate tribunals, which have been used to attack domestic public interest laws.

    Think of the TPP as a stealthy delivery mechanism for policies that could not survive public scrutiny. Indeed, only two of the twenty-six chapters of this corporate Trojan horse cover traditional trade matters. The rest embody the most florid dreams of the 1 percent—grandiose new rights and privileges for corporations and permanent constraints on government regulation. They include new investor safeguards to ease job offshoring and assert control over natural resources, and severely limit the regulation of financial services, land use, food safety, natural resources, energy, tobacco, healthcare and more...snipped read more:
    http://www.thenation.com/article/168627/nafta-steroids
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    Is there anything this man has not lied about?
    The Austro-Hungarian Empire.

    I feel safe in saying that because I'm 99% sure he has never publicly mentioned the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and 63% sure he has never heard of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Lol, wow, Anthony Weiner, too?

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    That link doesn't work. Here is one that does. http://www.thenation.com/article/168627/nafta-steroids

    That article is from 2012. I don't want to start a contentious debate. There is so much fail in this article. This is just anti-capitalist propaganda, regardless of what something thinks about free trade agreements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    That link doesn't work. Here is one that does. http://www.thenation.com/article/168627/nafta-steroids
    Fixed, thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    That article is from 2012. I don't want to start a contentious debate. There is so much fail in this article. This is just anti-capitalist propaganda, regardless of what something thinks about free trade agreements.
    "anti-capitalist propaganda" huh? Here's some "anti-capitalist" propaganda- you might recognize the man in the first 2 videos, the 3rd is from the Tea Party News Network







    Maybe Ron thinks getting his kid in the White House is more important than telling the truth about the TPP- there doesn't seem to be anything recent (since Rand is all for this boondoggle). Are we all supposed to sell out our beliefs to get Rand elected? I won't be joining in, thanks. Seems like for a lot of people it's more about Rand these days than policy. Have fun with that.

    Although it is called a "free trade" agreement, the TPP is not mainly about trade. Of TPP's 29 draft chapters, only five deal with traditional trade issues. One chapter would provide incentives to offshore jobs to low-wage countries. Many would impose limits on government policies that we rely on in our daily lives for safe food, a clean environment, and more. Our domestic federal, state and local policies would be required to comply with TPP rules..http://www.citizen.org/TPP

    You will probably get your TPP, since both parties want it and it was in both party platforms in 2012. It would be a shame if it cost you your job and your children their sovereignty. A real shame.

    Leak of Secret Trade Doc Reveals Sovereignty-destroying Courts

    Why has the Obama administration kept the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement text secret from Congress and the American people? A newly leaked TPP chapter reveals at least one huge reason: The TPP text proposes creating tribunals (courts) that could overrule the decisions of our state and federal courts, as well as our local, state and federal laws and our state and national constitutions..
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...troying-courts
    Rand lied about Crimea and Iran
    " US Must Take Strong Action Against Putin's Aggression" -Rand
    的知 not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot, I知 not a libertarian. I知 a libertarian Republican. I知 a constitutional conservative-Rand Paul
    WARNING: mods/admins are editing sigs without notice

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    Illegal immigration, nafta and tpp.... north american union here we come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    Fixed, thanks

    "anti-capitalist propaganda" huh? Here's some "anti-capitalist" propaganda- you might recognize the man in the first 2 videos, the 3rd is from the Tea Party News Network
    I know some people will take Ron Paul's side on these agreements. That's why phrased it like I did and didn't offer an opinion on FTAs, yet you still thought I did. That article defended capital controls. Ron Paul would not support capital controls and demonize speculators. You should be free take your money out a country any time you wish. If you are an American, would you want your money trapped in country when their economy melting down? And NAFTA has not cost the US 5 million jobs. That is a complete misunderstanding of the way trade works. And prioritizing manufacturing jobs is silly. Not to mention, the US manufactures more "stuff" now than at any point in history.



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