Need meme ...I'm having a discussion about business owners being allowed to refuse service.

[V4Vendetta]

Need meme ...I'm having a discussion about business owners being allowed to refuse service.

In a free society, a business owner should be allowed to refuse to anyone.
That philosophy is libertarian, we can all agree....

But the government, due to the civil rights act, makes it where you can't do that.

Does anyone have some quotes or picture meme's to help illustrate the point?

[V4Vendetta]

A quote of what I'm dealing with:

"You're arguing freedom to discriminate on ones own private property/business, which is currently against the law. What is to prevent someone from breaking other laws on his/her private property? How about consumer protection? You have a private enterprise, so you can cheat customers? What about raping someone on your property. It's your property. So why not break that law, too? Private business owners don't have that right because they decided to serve the public. Want to be racist? Stay on your property. If you bring it into the public, it's considered harassment, discrimination, or hate crimes. As soon as you invite the PUBLIC'S money onto your property, you must abide by society's rules, especially since my PUBLIC tax dollars provide infrastructure to run your business: public roads, telecommunications, USPS, IRS, and ect. Tell me, how would you feel if the same people barring homosexuals were, instead, barring (straight) war veterans?"

[Natural Citizen]

Uhh. I hate memes. They are a main driver toward a devolution of society in the information age in my own personal view. A glorified dumbing down.

Why don't you just debate the feller? Who the heck takes a meme seriously anyway?

[V4Vendetta]

Helps get the point across

[fr33]

This doesn't even sound good but maybe someone can fix it....

An image of klansmen saying they demand JayZ or whoever sign them to their record label.

[Natural Citizen]

Helps get the point across

Yeah, I know. I get that. Heh.

[presence]

http://fff.org/explore-freedom/artic...efuse-service/
http://mises.org/library/freedom-association
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/03/...operty-rights/
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/02/laurence-m-vance/banning-discrimination/



check google:

right to refuse service discrimination

also check google video:

ron paul civil rights act

[V4Vendetta]

Thankyou Presence!

[Sam I am]

A quote of what I'm dealing with:

"You're arguing freedom to discriminate on ones own private property/business, which is currently against the law.... Want to be racist? Stay on your property...."

You need a meme? it seems like you've already got one

[idiom]

This doesn't even sound good but maybe someone can fix it....

An image of klansmen saying they demand JayZ or whoever sign them to their record label.

Closer to clansmen being allowed to attend a Jay Z concert.

Which they are.

[idiom]

Need meme ...I'm having a discussion about business owners being allowed to refuse service.

In a free society, a business owner should be allowed to refuse to anyone.
That philosophy is libertarian, we can all agree....

You missed a doozy of a discussion. Its a fun concept, but the core philosophy that creates the point is far from clear.

The broader problem though is you should be trying to convert people rather than win internet arguments. Even if you win the argument you will put off everyone reading it because you are claiming that what is most important to the future of America is the right to refuses service to someone, not based on their character, their past behaviour, or their attire, but solely on the basis of their skin colour.


You are appealing to their inner racist about why it libertarianism is the right system. How can that possibly seem like a good idea?

[Cleaner44]

I just picture an old black man that has a nice little coffee shop, when in walks the stereotype of a white racist skinhead, maybe with a confederate flag sewn on his sleeveless Levi jacket. When the white guy yells at the coffee shop owner to pour him a cup while using a racial epitaph. Now given that situation, how many good liberals would not stand behind the business owner and his right to refuse service to a hostile racist?

[idiom]

I just picture an old black man that has a nice little coffee shop, when in walks the stereotype of a white racist skinhead, maybe with a confederate flag sewn on his sleeveless Levi jacket. When the white guy yells at the coffee shop owner to pour him a cup while using a racial epitaph. Now given that situation, how many good liberals would not stand behind the business owner and his right to refuse service to a hostile racist?

Its legal to refuse service to belligerent customers.

What he is wanting to change is to make it legal to refuse service to nice, well behaved, polite customers based on skin tone.


A better argument would be that you can't fix racism through legislation - that it hides it and makes it worse, or that we need to repeal drug laws because they are racist.

But no, what we need is to keep blacks out of our stores.

[Suzanimal]

Probably not exactly what your looking for but it popped up on my FB.

[jmdrake]

Need meme ...I'm having a discussion about business owners being allowed to refuse service.

In a free society, a business owner should be allowed to refuse to anyone.
That philosophy is libertarian, we can all agree....

But the government, due to the civil rights act, makes it where you can't do that.

Does anyone have some quotes or picture meme's to help illustrate the point?

Or you could argue the facts of the law rather than trying to make some overgeneralized point.

Fact 1: The Nashville lunch counters were desegregated before the CRA passed simply from public protests and pressure.

Fact 2: Any restaurant that wants to can discriminate as long as they are 10 miles away from an interstate and buy only local food.

So the CRA is neither necessary to stop discrimination nor sufficient to stop it. That said, I don't believe that those who offer essential services like hospitals should be allowed to discriminate. Call me anti libertarian all you want to. I don't really care.

[jmdrake]

This doesn't even sound good but maybe someone can fix it....

An image of klansmen saying they demand JayZ or whoever sign them to their record label.

Klansman aren't covered by the CRA because they do not represent a protected class. To be a protected class you have to have a characteristic that is an "accident of birth" and unchangeable. You wonder why so may people argue that sexual orientation is strictly biological despite no scientific evidence of that? This is way. It's an attempt to move sexual orientation into being a protected class.

[jmdrake]

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[jmdrake]

You missed a doozy of a discussion. Its a fun concept, but the core philosophy that creates the point is far from clear.

The broader problem though is you should be trying to convert people rather than win internet arguments. Even if you win the argument you will put off everyone reading it because you are claiming that what is most important to the future of America is the right to refuses service to someone, not based on their character, their past behaviour, or their attire, but solely on the basis of their skin colour.


You are appealing to their inner racist about why it libertarianism is the right system. How can that possibly seem like a good idea?

+rep! Really, find something to argue about that decent people might actually want to do. How about child labor laws? It can't be a good thing that children today are wasting time that they could be spending learning a useful trade playing video games. And now the federal government is trying to even stop kids on family farms from doing chores.

[jmdrake]

I just picture an old black man that has a nice little coffee shop, when in walks the stereotype of a white racist skinhead, maybe with a confederate flag sewn on his sleeveless Levi jacket. When the white guy yells at the coffee shop owner to pour him a cup while using a racial epitaph. Now given that situation, how many good liberals would not stand behind the business owner and his right to refuse service to a hostile racist?

Most blacks simply wouldn't care.

[PRB]

let me dig up my pictures of rich black and gay business owners, hold up.

[presence]

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[phill4paul]

Create your own.

Example: Split image. On one side of the picture a white business owner smiling accepting money from a black couple. On the other side a check written out to stormfront. Tag line: Why would you want to force them to do business with you?

This could probably be applied across the board. Cake baker and gay couple. Etc.

[jmdrake]

Create your own.

Example: Split image. On one side of the picture a white business owner smiling accepting money from a black couple. On the other side a check written out to stormfront. Tag line: Why would you want to force them to do business with you?

This could probably be applied across the board. Cake baker and gay couple. Etc.

Now that's the best argument yet! The "OMG! Klansmen get to eat at a black restaurant" argument put forward by John Stossel and others is just stupid. Membership in an organization does not make you part of a protected class and never will. A restaurant that served blacks but refused to service the NAACP could never be sued under the civil rights act. And during the era where the klan was actually strong there was no way for a black business to have white customers in some parts of the country and avoid klansmen. But yes, why would you want to force someone who hated you to take your money? The only exception to that is essential services like hospitals.

[The Free Hornet]

Does the bill restore/protect freedom for everyone or only those who wrap their crazy beliefs in mysticism?

[presence]