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    Should Women Be Allowed to Rent Their Wombs?

    Should Women Be Allowed to Rent Their Wombs?



    Beth Anderson earns extra income renting out her womb to infertile couples who dream of becoming parents—a mutually beneficial arrangement, as she sees it. "I really, really like being pregnant," she says. "They need help, it's something I want do, and it's a way for me to make a little bit of extra money."

    But these types of arrangements are outlawed in many states. In Oklahoma, for example, surrogacy contracts are considered a form of child trafficking. In Michigan, surrogates face five years in jail and up to $50,000 in fines.

    Gestational surrogacy contracts are also against the law in New York, but State Senator Brad Hoylman (D-27th Senate Dist.) introduced a bill last year that would change that. And he has first hand experience with the issue. Hoylman and his husband had to go to California to find a surrogate to carry their daughter Silvia, who's now four.

    "If the [bill] passes, we'll have surrogates who could actually engage with intended parents and egg donors," says Hoylman.

    "We don't want to turn baby making into a commercial industry," says Jennifer Lahl, president of the Center for Bioethics and Culture, who, among other things, worries that surrogacy contracts don't "anticipate every problem" that could arise between a surrogate and a couple.

    With the legalization of same-sex marriage and ever-improving reproductive technologies, the movement to legalize commercial surrogacy is likely to grow in coming years.
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    Should men be allowed to rent wombs?


    Add this to a list,, of what should or should not be "allowed".
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    Oh, WOMBS, not rooms. Never mind.
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    Should men be allowed to talk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    Should men be allowed to talk?
    only when she takes a breath...

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    They should be able to do whatever they want with their Wombs. Not my Womb, so why do I care what anyone does with their Womb? I don't even have a damn Womb! After some bad relationships I felt as if all I had been doing was renting a womb entry port anyway, so there is that.

    As long as it is not DIRECTLY hurting anyone, then go for it. Don't give me the social costs bull$#@!.

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    And then the government gets involved. And then we have Section 8 wombs.

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    Sure, in the same way selling one's organs should be legal. In a short period of time, it'll probably be possible to sell ​one's womb.
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    Well, considering it's already illegal in almost every state for them to rent their vaginas, I don't see it happening.

    It'll stay legal for them to pay someone to dismember and extract someone in their womb, though.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Moot point mostly.

    In another 30 years or so, new humans will be manufactured in the lab, not born.

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    A lot less disturbing than test tube/"designer" babies. I don't see any problems with this from any perspective.
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    Ah, crap. What happens if some biotech company scribbles up a contract to house some kind of genetic creation (that has a patent) and then the laws get written to conform to the intricates of the model. That'd be a hoot. Next thing you know, a couple of generations later our great grandchildren will be paying royalties to these companies to justify their very existence.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 03-26-2015 at 02:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    A lot less disturbing than test tube babies. I don't see any problems with this from any perspective.
    Yeah, there are a few different perspectives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Yeah, there are a few different perspectives.
    Do you see a problem from any of them that I missed?
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    Oh good grief. They already do rent them..it's called surrogacy....it's been going on for years. They also sell their eggs. That's been going on for years too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    They also sell their eggs. That's been going on for years too.
    Yeah, that's why we call 'em hens. Remember that time you got mad at me for doing that? Heh. Well...not mad...but you know...it would be nice if we'd stop referring to them as poultry. And now here we are.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 03-26-2015 at 02:08 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    Oh good grief. They already do rent them..it's called surrogacy....it's been going on for years. They also sell their eggs. That's been going on for years too.
    From the article Carlybee...

    But these types of arrangements are outlawed in many states. In Oklahoma, for example, surrogacy contracts are considered a form of child trafficking. In Michigan, surrogates face five years in jail and up to $50,000 in fines

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    But these types of arrangements are outlawed in many states. In Oklahoma, for example, surrogacy contracts are considered a form of child trafficking. In Michigan, surrogates face five years in jail and up to $50,000 in fines.

    What the hell? It's more like a daycare service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    From the article Carlybee...

    I understand that but in many states it's not illegal yet people act like this is something new. It's been around for years. People rent their wombs on Craigslist. I could care less one way or the other..however I think it does some good for people who want to have their own bloodlines and can't conceive. On the other hand I can also see where it could be used to have kiddie mills for pedophiles. It's a states issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    I understand that but in many states it's not illegal yet people act like this is something new. It's been around for years. People rent their wombs on Craigslist. I could care less one way or the other..however I think it does some good for people who want to have their own bloodlines and can't conceive. On the other hand I can also see where it could be used to have kiddie mills for pedophiles. It's a states issue.
    Winnar! Next thing ya know, people will be trying to outlaw wet nurses. SMH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    I understand that but in many states it's not illegal yet people act like this is something new. It's been around for years. People rent their wombs on Craigslist. I could care less one way or the other..however I think it does some good for people who want to have their own bloodlines and can't conceive. On the other hand I can also see where it could be used to have kiddie mills for pedophiles. It's a states issue.
    At the same time; if a sperm donor can be put on the hook for child support for 18 years and have the state come after him for money. Then I think these women should face the same consequences if the child they grow in their belly ends up on the taxpayers teat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    At the same time; if a sperm donor can be put on the hook for child support for 18 years and have the state come after him for money. Then I think these women should face the same consequences if the child they grow in their belly ends up on the taxpayers teat.
    That should never be allowed to happen in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlybee View Post
    Should men be allowed to talk?
    There's really no need what with all the talking done for them..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    There's really no need what with all the talking done for them..........
    Yup. Men have to do all the thinkin'. Gabbin' is womenfolk's job.
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    Absolutely they should. Why not?

    As the OP says, it's a mutually beneficial exchange.

    And it accords with libertarian property theory. Her body is her property, so she can dispense with it as she pleases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Absolutely they should. Why not?

    As the OP says, it's a mutually beneficial exchange.

    And it accords with libertarian property theory. Her body is her property, so she can dispense with it as she pleases.
    Libertarian property theory could prove to be a very dangerous thing considering the age in which we live. That may be all well and good before the age of genetic human patents and law but down the road you may well be selling yourself the very rope from which you'll hang. Well...not you, per se. The next couple of generations. Which is why short term visionaries are dangerous. We want to live in the present in a way that is premised upon the past.

    It's a tough one for me because I'm in the middle there. I believe in the fact that we own our bodies. But what happens when we legally don't? If you'd like I can certainly share with you specific instances of a movement for just that very thing.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 03-26-2015 at 05:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Moot point mostly.

    In another 30 years or so, new humans will be manufactured in the lab, not born.
    I highly doubt that. Some people have really unrealistic expectations of science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    Libertarian property theory could prove to be a very dangerous thing considering the age in which we live. That may be all well and good before the age of genetic human patents...
    On my view (and libertarians are split on the question), intellectual property is not legitimate.

    IP has a lot of disturbing implications, including what you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    On my view (and libertarians are split on the question), intellectual property is not legitimate.

    IP has a lot of disturbing implications, including what you're talking about.
    The law says that it is legitimate, though. So, then, unless libertarians change it, it is "legitimate".

    But, yes...as long as we agree on that very real possibility. I'm not trying to refute the notion or debate that man owns himself. I agree that he does. Was just looking down the road is all. Well...the other side of the street as the case may be. We're a bit closer to the possibility than we think.
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