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For comparison, here's the vote on Rubio's S.Amdt.423 (which failed).
3/26/15
Mike Lee, Ernst, and other conservatives (real or fake) voted no on Rubio's plan. I am actually in shock that Cruz voted for this horrible spending increase. I am not a cruz fan, but I was genuinely surprised that he would go on record for this. This has to be used in debates. Having Cruz on record for this would have to resonate with those who are concerned about the debt that are taking a look at him. Cruz was the only one on the stage that could try to take the anti-debt stance with Paul and he lost that. Does anyone have an idea of why he wouldn't have voted yes for Paul's plan too due to it being the same with other cuts included? This is crazy that Paul got Cruz to reveal himself this early and so soon after he announced.
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I don't give Ron a pass for his errors, and instead of using them as an excuse for Rand to take greater liberties with... well, liberty, Ron's errors should be learned from and eliminated. Not expanded upon and used for an excuse for every deviance from the liberty position.
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What major spending did Ron sign off on?
Well, he loaded must pass bills up with pork for his district. He was one of the worst (if not the worst) abusers when he was Congress.
It isn't that Ron Paul was a bad person. He was a POLITICIAN. And that isn't the only issue where he was a politician. I'm not gong to continue bashing Ron Paul. I'm pointing out how illogical it is for so many people to criticize Rand Paul for this kind of minor stuff (which I consider a positive) and at the same time accept Ron Paul's explanation for a tangible, major abuse of principle that actually impacted the budget.
Earmarks didn't impact the budget. It's just directing spending that was already appropriated and would otherwise be directed by the executive.
Pretty stunning that you're repeating such an obvious lie and smear about Congressman Paul after all these years. This is generally a forum for Ron Paul supporters, not Ron Paul smearers.
Ron was trying to reappropriate spending back to the district that he was voted in to represent. Since he believed he was responsible to reparate them for taxes the federal government took from them. That's sound reasoning.
I know he is just trying to get elected and all...but sorry, Rand. You're hitting new lows. Shifting power and money from one element of government to another with no overall net change is just reshuffling the deck. Taking from domestic programs and giving to military programs is George Bush level Neocon shenanigans. If this is all we can expect from a Rand presidency then I see no point.
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If you don't think that things like this ARE due to learning from what they did to marginalize his dad, then you aren't paying attention.
It's sad how those who have a confirmation bias against Rand will just create their own narrative and play gotcha, and flat out ignore what his campaign aid said, that this is to show republicans that if they want increases, they have to pay for them, exposing those who think its okay to just keep borrowing. You have to start somewhere to create a paradigm shift and expose the big government republicans.
He told you this, yet some of you are worse than the media about creating false narratives about this brilliant move to expose their hypocrisy. If you think that makes you a friend of liberty to just knee jerk and make false assumptions about those friendly to us, it doesnt.
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The kids they dance and shake their bones,
While the politicians are throwing stones,
And it's all too clear we're on our own,
Singing ashes, ashes, all fall down...
Ron calculated what his district lost in taxes to the federal government and sought to recoup the money.
He already went over this in 2008.
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RPF lately seems like it has a major problem. There are those who will accept nothing less than pure libertarianism, and those who seek to divide at any possible opportunity.
The last 30% of us who support Rand Paul and see his brilliance and understand the strategy he has adopted to reach the nations highest office, are left spending all our time defending him from the first 2 groups. RPF will never get anything accomplished until this problem is eliminated.
I'm not talking about those who want to have a legitimate debate, but there are people who are not here to debate, they are here to divide. As election season heats up, unless RPF wants to be a laughingstock irrelevant home of trolls and internet puritans, it will be necessary to weed out those who do not support the mission of getting Rand Paul elected.
Name me the strategy ever employed against an entrenched evil anywhere in the world in any century since recorded history began that was easy and went as smoothly as silk.
Seems to me entrenched evils use any evil, dishonest method they can dream up at every opportunity. Maybe I missed one...
I just think if Ron were still young and he was going about this term for his 3rd run at the nomination in a row, he'd be doing quite well with the old strategy of mass quantities of truth and honesty. That's the strategy Rand could have adopted. I think it would have worked this time.
That sounds like you are wanting to Rand to get 4% of the republican primary vote rather than Ron's 10%. I mean, if that's what you want, fine. I'm just pointing out what's what here. There are plenty of "paulbots" here that aren't even thinking it through as well as you are. They didn't think it through when Ron was running. They just went on auto-defend for Ron on these things but will throw his son under the bus every chance they get.
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