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    Judge Napolitano flat-out lies about Ted Cruz on Fox News

    I am so disappointed in Judge Napolitano. Beyond words.

    From Fox News: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/2...ments-ted-cruz

    "Napolitano also said his "heart sank" when he heard Cruz talk about a "federal right to education"

    Naturally, I had to find out the truth. I watched the speech. Here is what Ted Cruz said in his speech, word for word:

    "Instead of a federal government which seeks to dictate curriculum through Common Core. Imagine repealing every word of Common Core. Imagine embracing school choice as the civil rights issue of the next generation. That every single child, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity, regardless of wealth or zip code, every child in America has a right to a quality education."



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    Quote Originally Posted by TaftFan View Post
    I am so disappointed in Judge Napolitano. Beyond words.

    From Fox News: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/2...ments-ted-cruz

    "Napolitano also said his "heart sank" when he heard Cruz talk about a "federal right to education"

    Naturally, I had to find out the truth. I watched the speech. Here is what Ted Cruz said in his speech, word for word:

    "Instead of a federal government which seeks to dictate curriculum through Common Core. Imagine repealing every word of Common Core. Imagine embracing school choice as the civil rights issue of the next generation. That every single child, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity, regardless of wealth or zip code, every child in America has a right to a quality education."
    Someone has to pay for it. Is Cruz for getting rid of the D.O.E.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Someone has to pay for it. Is Cruz for getting rid of the D.O.E.?
    His point is that poor kids should not be trapped in public schools. Put the money with the child, not the school. Allow competition in education.
    Yes, he is for eliminating the Doe.
    Last edited by TaftFan; 03-23-2015 at 02:49 PM.

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    The idea that "every child has a right to a quality education" and viewing education as a right instead of a good is a very proggy idea.
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    Is the sticking point the word "federal"? What if he meant individual state right to education, assuming k-12? How is any of this any different than what we have now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    The idea that "every child has a right to a quality education" and viewing education as a right instead of a good is a very proggy idea.
    When people say a kid has a right to an education, they aren't being philosophical. In the context of this, the point is that they are being deprived from it thanks to the federal and state governments.

    We are getting away from the topic of the thread, which is that Napolitano claimed Cruz supported a "federal right to education" which is obviously a falsehood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    The idea that "every child has a right to a quality education" and viewing education as a right instead of a good is a very proggy idea.
    Yeah, that's probably the rub with Napolitano. Defining goods or services that must be provided by others as "rights" sometimes leads to problems.

    The statement by Cruz was fairly vague, but certainly leads to questions about how this new "right" to "quality education" would be implemented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orenbus View Post
    Is the sticking point the word "federal"? What if he meant individual state right to education, assuming k-12? How is any of this any different than what we have now?
    I believe Napolitano put the word "federal" in Cruz's mouth because he wanted to show Cruz as not being as constitutionally-strict as Rand Paul.

    And as I mention below, this wasn't a philosophical discussion on rights. Cruz's point is that government is making it hard for children to get a quality education. That is wrong. A quality education is something we should all want for children.



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    Does school choice mean voucher? Vouchers for public schools may not have much of an affect on prices, but vouchers for private schools could have a devastating affect on the market clearing price. Subsidies distort markets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaftFan View Post
    His point is that poor kids should not be trapped in public schools. Put the money with the child, not the school. Allow competition in education.
    Yes, he is for eliminating the DoD.
    The DOD? Now that would be news.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaftFan View Post
    I am so disappointed in Judge Napolitano. Beyond words.

    From Fox News: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/2...ments-ted-cruz

    "Napolitano also said his "heart sank" when he heard Cruz talk about a "federal right to education"

    Naturally, I had to find out the truth. I watched the speech. Here is what Ted Cruz said in his speech, word for word:

    "Instead of a federal government which seeks to dictate curriculum through Common Core. Imagine repealing every word of Common Core. Imagine embracing school choice as the civil rights issue of the next generation. That every single child, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity, regardless of wealth or zip code, every child in America has a right to a quality education."

    What? There is a RIGHT to education? That is completely tyrannical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Rogue View Post
    Does school choice mean voucher? Vouchers for public schools may not have much of an affect on prices, but vouchers for private schools could have a devastating affect on the market clearing price. Subsidies distort markets.
    The distortion is that private schools would be more competitive with public schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Someone has to pay for it. Is Cruz for getting rid of the D.O.E.?
    The Department of Energy?

    They ran out of alphabet, so the Department of Education is officially the E.D.

    Quote Originally Posted by TaftFan View Post
    His point is that poor kids should not be trapped in public schools. Put the money with the child, not the school. Allow competition in education.
    Yes, he is for eliminating the DoD.
    The Department of Defense will be eliminated over Cruz' gory bones.

    As for Judge Nap, I think he assumed facts not in evidence. But considering the context of that speech at that moment, I can certainly see how it happened...

    Instead of a federal government that wages an assault on our religious liberty. That goes after hobby lobby, that goes after the little sisters of the poor, that goes after Liberty University. Imagine a federal government that stands for the first amendment rights of every American.

    Instead of a federal government that works to undermine our values, imagine a federal government that works to defend the sanctity of human life. And to uphold the sacrament of marriage.

    Instead of a government that works to undermine our second amendment rights, that seeks to ban our ammunition. Imagine a federal government that protects the right to keep and bear arms of all law abiding Americans.

    Instead of a government that seizes your emails and your cell phones, imagine a federal government that protected the privacy rights of every American. Instead of a federal government that seeks to dictate school curriculum through common core imagine repealing every word of common core.

    Imagine embracing school choices the civil rights issue of the next generation. But every single child, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity, regardless of wealth or zip code, every child in America has a right to a quality education.
    If he changed the subject, he certainly did an abrupt job of it.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-23-2015 at 02:59 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    What? There is a RIGHT to education? That is completely tyrannical.
    I think if you pinned him down on it, he would not say that.

    He was just using general language to emphasize that the government is messing up education and that the less involvement, the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaftFan View Post
    The distortion is that private schools would be more competitive with public schools.
    The distortion is that prices will increase, making it more expensive for people who previously didn’t need vouchers to send their kids to private schools. It's the exact opposite of competition. Competition pushes prices lower.
    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    Do you think it's a coincidence that the most cherished standard of the Ron Paul campaign was a sign highlighting the word "love" inside the word "revolution"? A revolution not based on love is a revolution doomed to failure. So, at the risk of sounding corny, I just wanted to let you know that, wherever you stand on any of these hot-button issues, and even if we might have exchanged bitter words or harsh sentiments in the past, I love each and every one of you - no exceptions!

    "When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will." Frederic Bastiat

    Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaftFan View Post
    I think if you pinned him down on it, he would not say that.

    He was just using general language to emphasize that the government is messing up education and that the less involvement, the better.
    I disagree. Cruz is a Roman Catholic and as a matter of theology he believes that he must fight for "the common good" and that some property is common. Read my thread called "The Roman Catholic Socialist Agenda" to find out more.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Rogue View Post
    The distortion is that prices will increase, making it more expensive for people who previously didn’t need vouchers to send their kids to private schools. It's the exact opposite of competition. Competition pushes prices lower.
    Speaking of health care, and a thousand other examples...
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The Department of Energy?

    They ran out of alphabet, so the Department of Education is officially the E.D.
    Thanks for the correction. Can't hit you for a rep presently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Speaking of health care, and a thousand other examples...
    Exactly.
    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyRey View Post
    Do you think it's a coincidence that the most cherished standard of the Ron Paul campaign was a sign highlighting the word "love" inside the word "revolution"? A revolution not based on love is a revolution doomed to failure. So, at the risk of sounding corny, I just wanted to let you know that, wherever you stand on any of these hot-button issues, and even if we might have exchanged bitter words or harsh sentiments in the past, I love each and every one of you - no exceptions!

    "When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will." Frederic Bastiat

    Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Thanks for the correction. Can't hit you for a rep presently.
    Of course, there are other reasons for things like that. I don't suppose I need to explain why the USDA is not fond of the acronym DOA...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    I disagree. Cruz is a Roman Catholic and as a matter of theology he believes that he must fight for "the common good" and that some property is common. Read my thread called "The Roman Catholic Socialist Agenda" to find out more.
    Judge Napolitano is ALSO a Roman Catholic. That has nothing to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    I disagree. Cruz is a Roman Catholic and as a matter of theology he believes that he must fight for "the common good" and that some property is common. Read my thread called "The Roman Catholic Socialist Agenda" to find out more.
    Catholicism does have a socialist tradition, but there are very right wing and libertarian Catholics out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaftFan View Post
    I think if you pinned him down on it, he would not say that.

    He was just using general language to emphasize that the government is messing up education and that the less involvement, the better.
    Perhaps, but then he should choose his language more carefully... and his background.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaftFan View Post
    I think if you pinned him down on it, he would not say that.

    He was just using general language to emphasize that the government is messing up education and that the less involvement, the better.
    The statement in isolation was vague, so it was open to interpretation. The term "right" sets off alarm bells for some though.

    So it starts a conversation where more questions and details are warranted, especially at the Federal level, as Cruz is a US Senator seeking to be POTUS. Cruz said he want to "repeal every word of Common Core". That's a start. Does he want to repeal every word of no child left behind? Does he want to completely eliminate the Federal Department of Education? Does he want to eliminate all regulations, requirements, benefits and subsidies related to education from Federal Code?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    I disagree. Cruz is a Roman Catholic and as a matter of theology he believes that he must fight for "the common good" and that some property is common. Read my thread called "The Roman Catholic Socialist Agenda" to find out more.
    No, Ted Cruz is a Southern Baptist. Judge Nap is a Catholic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaftFan View Post
    Judge Napolitano is ALSO a Roman Catholic. That has nothing to do with it.
    Yeah, he disagrees with his church.

    The Catholic Catechism calls for a state that promotes the common good, and a one world government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    What? There is a RIGHT to education? That is completely tyrannical.
    How is a right to an education any different than a right to bear arms or right to freedom of speech or any other right? Saying one has a right doesn't mean others are required to provide it to you.

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    God Bless Judge Napolitano for speaking the truth!
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    No, Ted Cruz is a Southern Baptist. Judge Nap is a Catholic.
    Try again.

    But I'm pretty sure it will go in one ear and out the other no matter how often you say it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The statement in isolation was vague, so it was open to interpretation. The term "right" sets off alarm bells for some though.

    So it starts a conversation where more questions and details are warranted, especially at the Federal level, as Cruz is a US Senator seeking to be POTUS. Cruz said he want to "repeal every word of Common Core". That's a start. Does he want to repeal every word of no child left behind? Does he want to completely eliminate the Federal Department of Education? Does he want to eliminate all regulations, requirements, benefits and subsidies related to education from Federal Code?
    He has been campaigning from the beginning to eliminate federal involvement in education, including repealing the department of education.

    I will support Rand. But I won't go along with dishonest attacks, of which I have seen far too many coming from Paul supporters on a whole litany of areas.

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