Is Astrology from the devil? -split

[Sola_Fide]

Astrology is from the devil.

[Carlybee]

Astrology is from the devil.

It is not.

[Dr.3D]

Astrology is from the devil.

It is not.

See?

[JK/SEA]

Astrology is from the devil.

i thought it was organized religion...

[westkyle]

Astrology is from the devil.

I will not argue with you. If you wish to have a discussion on the topic make a separate thread. That is what people with manners do.

[Sola_Fide]

i thought it was organized religion...

I don't know what people mean when they say "organized religion". The Bible says that there should be deacons and elders in the church, so that is at least some kind of organization. But if you are talking about churches that set up man made religious requirements like Rome or the EOC does, I agree with you.

[Brian4Liberty]

Astrology is from the devil.

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[pcosmar]

Astrology is from the devil.

SO is war.
So is medicine.
So is technology.

The fallen angels taught man many things.

The Book of Enoch
CHAPTER VIII

1. And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals 〈of the earth〉 and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. 2. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl, (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Ezêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, 〈Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun〉, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .

And yet it was Astrologers who saw the signs,, and followed the star to honor Christ at his birth..
And they were warned by God in dreams,,, (so God spoke to them,, and they obeyed)

How do you square that??
Things were taught to man,, some should not have been taught. and yet there is some truth in what was taught.

[Ronin Truth]

Since Satan rules the world, according to the Bible, then why not? <shrug>

[westkyle]

Astrology is from the devil.

Usually people give arguments for a given viewpoint instead of baseless comments if they truly desire a discussion. Otherwise it is better to keep opinions to yourself.

[acptulsa]

Astrology is from the devil.

I don't know what people mean when they say "organized religion". The Bible says that there should be deacons and elders in the church, so that is at least some kind of organization. But if you are talking about churches that set up man made religious requirements like Rome or the EOC does, I agree with you.

Well, now, what have we here?

You don't know what astrology is, you don't know if it can be used to harm someone any more than Silly String can be, but you want some attention and you see someone who hasn't been insulted for at least five minutes so you associate it with the devil. When called on it, you realize you have not a shred of evidence to back up your kneejerk insult, so you start using a thread that has nothing to do with the subject to air your previously prepared insults of one of the oldest, largest and most respected denominations in the world. Arguments so flimsy that they have already gotten you laughed out of three threads.

All after having the temerity to insult thoughtomator with this:

What you call "pride" is simply a Christian who know what he believes and why he believes it (and knows what he doesn't believe and why he doesn't believe it).

Also, you have a man-centered view of pride. You think pride is being firm in a belief about something and rejecting all other beliefs, but the Biblical view of pride is anything that asserts itself against the mind of Christ (or also, anything that takes away from God being the ALONE Savior).

By the Bible's definition, I am the humble one and you are the prideful one.

And you don't have any actual quotes from the mouth of Jesus to back any of that up, either. And you obviously don't know what you believe about astrology and why you believe it or you wouldn't have changed the subject so fast. What's more, there is no 'view of pride' other than a 'man-centered view of pride' because pride is a human thing. Jesus had a 'man-centered view of pride.'

Got news, dude. You don't understand how the computer in front of you works, you know computers are used for very evil things (like launching nukes), you know millions use them to gamble and to look at porn, and you know computers were never mentioned in the Bible so they can hardly be Biblical. So why don't you live up to your alleged principles and turn your back on this tool of the devil, and stop using your computer?

Please?

[presence]

Astrology's basic premise is that heavenly bodies — the sun, moon, planets, and constellations — have influence over or are correlated with earthly events.

Do you disagree that the moon effects the tides?

Do you disagree that age in months effects ability in academic years?

• Summer-born children 'struggling with maths'
  23 Nov 2012
• Summer-born children 'less likely to attend top universities'
  31 Oct 2011
• Summer-born children 'lag behind at school'
  29 Jul 2010
• Summer-born children being wrongly classed as having special needs
  28 Dec 2012

Do you disagree that birth cohort effects the nutrition of human offspring in many parts of the world?

Do you disagree that autumn born livestock can have delayed puberty?

[acptulsa]

Astrology's basic premise is that heavenly bodies — the sun, moon, planets, and constellations — have influence over or are correlated with earthly events.

Do you disagree that the moon effects the tides?

He thinks that couldn't be because God has not got complete dominion over the heavens and the earth and doesn't micromanage everything according to His will, and if He wants to use heavenly bodies in concert with earthly influences He has no right to do it. Oh, wait. Actually he believes just the opposite of all of that...

[presence]

Jeremiah 8:7"Even the stork in the sky Knows her seasons; And the turtledove and the swift and the thrush Observe the time of their migration; But My people do not know The ordinance of the LORD.

[otherone]

Astrology is from the devil.

[thoughtomator]

Reminder for all:

Maybe you ought to do something about the raging disrespect Sola_Fide shows for everyone who doesn't wholly share his beliefs? It's gotten way past ridiculous to the point where it is derailing a lot of the board. Confine him to Religion please since that's all he wants to talk about ever.

[Sola_Fide]

Maybe you ought to do something about the raging disrespect Sola_Fide shows for everyone who doesn't wholly share his beliefs? It's gotten way past ridiculous to the point where it is derailing a lot of the board. Confine him to Religion please since that's all he wants to talk about ever.

Ah....here comes the calls for censorship from the self-proclaimed libertarians. Do I call for censorship when Dannno's every post is something to do with some sexual perversion?

I have a principled theological position that astrology is not Biblical. Astrology proposes that something other than the Sovereign Lord of the Bible controls the fates of man. That is why the Bible warns people against consulting mediums. Not to mention, it is complete garbage and fake anyway.

[acptulsa]

Ah....here comes the calls for censorship from the self-proclaimed libertarians. Do I call for censorship when Dannno's every post is something to do with some sexual perversion?

I have a principled theological position that astrology is not Biblical. Astrology proposes that something other than the Sovereign Lord of the Bible controls the fates of man. That is why the Bible warns people against consulting mediums. Not to mention, it is complete garbage and fake anyway.

Now you're saying that something other than the Sovereign Lord of the Bible ordains the movements of heavenly bodies. You do realize that, right?

Why are you bearing false witness against dannno? How did you get yourself unbanned, anyway...?

Are you asking this weirdo for citations? The aliens he talks to probably told him that.

Ohhhh, look at how insightful this dung head is! lol...

Haha...you're an idiot.

No, it has everything to do with you. You are twice the Son of Hell the Pharisees were.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...17#post5816517

"Lol? Why do you go around laughing like a silly retard at these comments?"

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...98#post5816498

"I don't care about its relevance to this thread. What is the answer to the question?"

[Sola_Fide]

Now you're saying that something other than the Sovereign Lord of the Bible ordains the movements of heavenly bodies. You do realize that, right?

How did you get yourself unbanned, anyway...?










http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...17#post5816517

Yes God controls everything. You don't look to the controlled things for guidance, you look to the Controller. Furthermore, God has given man everything for life in the Scriptures.

[acptulsa]

Yes God controls everything. You don't look to the controlled things for guidance, you look to the Controller. Furthermore, God has given man everything for life in the Scriptures.

Smart people look at how the things under control are manipulated to learn more about the Controller every single day.

And your computer still isn't in the scriptures. So why don't you do the wider world a favor and throw it out the window, already?

[Sola_Fide]

Smart people look at the things under control to learn more about the Controller every single day.

And your computer still isn't in the scriptures. So why don't you do the wider world a favor and throw it out the window, already?

Smart people might do that. But God shames the intelligence of the "wise". People who have true wisdom have it because they fear the Lord.

Proverbs 9:10

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

[Sola_Fide]

Astrology is not Biblical:

“Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.”

—Leviticus 19:31

[acptulsa]

Smart people might do that. But God shames the intelligence of the "wise". People who have true wisdom have it because they fear the Lord.

Is this fear and this true wisdom what leads them to cherry-pick verses and passages and contradict themselves?

It's interesting to note what a child-like faith is. A child accepts every word from His father and believes it and lives by it. But you've said you don't believe some parts of God's Word.

It's not important really. The book of Revelation was written to the church in a specific place that was about to undergo a theological genocide. It was written in code for them so that the Roman authorities wouldn't know what they were talking about.

The important thing is to understand what the gospel is. That's it.

The Bible interprets itself, and the Spirit illumines His children to understand it.

I have a theocentric view of revelation, you have an anthropocentric view of it.

And this from someone who ignores the words of Jesus when he can't square them with his favorite misinterpretations of Paul--and sows doubt about the words of Jesus, too, when it suits him...

You believe the red letters that someone else wrote down when they were trying to remember what someone named Jesus said? Why do you believe these writers?

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Astrology is not Biblical:

Since when does astrology have mediums and familiar spirits and wizards? Is it your Godly Wisdom that causes you to attack things you know absolutely nothing about? Is it your Godly wisdom that causes you to construct a Wiccan straw man and hang the title 'Astrology' on it?

Is it your Godly Wisdom that causes you to run around pronouncing exactly why smarter members than you believe the things they believe, and pronouncing them 'cultists' and casting aspersions on their sanity (at least by inference) as a result of your unproven theory of why they believe what they believe?

It is Rome, the Roman Catholic system. But, let's take a step back and look at why Seventh Day Adventists like jmdrake believe this. They believe it because Ellen G. White said that Rome would be the figurehead of Sunday worship. To Seventh Day Adventists, Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.

So let's take a step back from that cultic insanity and understand the Biblical truth. Rome represents the false religion of man, the false church. To this day, Rome is hard at work at subsuming all the various religions under its umbrella.

But Rome does not preach a finished work of Christ. It does not preach what the Bible teaches. The Bible teaches that Christ's work on the cross perfects those for whom the sacrifice has been made, but Rome teaches that you could go to the Mass 20,000 times in your life and never be perfected by that sacrifice. Rome teaches that human will and human works are needed to make that sacrifice active.

This is the dividing line of all true and false religion...the dividing line of the true church and the false church...monergism. Monergism is the gospel, synergism is the false gospel.

So, instead of making nonsense posts wherein you cover up your ignorance on a subject by creating strawmen full of mediums and familiars and wizards, and attacking people whose beliefs you don't understand by creating nonsensical strawmen who believe things you think you can discredit, maybe you should listen to this guy...

It's very disrespectful to make nonsense posts. It shows a lack of respect for everyone reading. The respectful thing to do is to make issues clearer, rather than be vague and cryptic.

Even if you are talking about "mysterious" or "cryptic" things, the respectful thing to do is explain issues as clearly as possible.

[JK/SEA]

Does Astrology have roots in Paganism?

[donnay]

Astrology is not Biblical:

Genesis 1:14 - And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

[presence]

and let them be for signs

so what of this SF?

[Sola_Fide]

Is this fear and this true wisdom what leads them to cherry-pick verses and passages and contradict themselves?







And this from someone who ignores the words of Jesus when he can't square them with his favorite misinterpretations of Paul--and sows doubt about the words of Jesus, too, when it suits him...


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Since when does astrology have mediums and familiar spirits and wizards? Is it your Godly Wisdom that causes you to attack things you know absolutely nothing about? Is it your Godly wisdom that causes you to construct a Wiccan straw man and hang the title 'Astrology' on it?

Is it your Godly Wisdom that causes you to run around pronouncing exactly why smarter members than you believe the things they believe, and pronouncing them 'cultists' and casting aspersions on their sanity (at least by inference) as a result of your unproven theory of why they believe what they believe?




So, instead of making nonsense posts wherein you cover up your ignorance on a subject by creating strawmen full of mediums and familiars and wizards, and attacking people whose beliefs you don't understand by creating nonsensical strawmen who believe things you think you can discredit, maybe you should listen to this guy...

None of those posts were nonsense. When I was talking about the red letters when Jesus spoke, I was taking your assumption and running with it.

If you don't "trust Paul" because Paul wasn't Jesus, why do you trust what Matthew Mark Luke or John said about Jesus? Jesus didn't write the Bible.

Why do you trust what Matthew Mark Luke or John say about Jesus, yet don't trust what Paul said?

[Sola_Fide]

Genesis 1:14 - And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Yes, the moon and the sun and the stars are signs for seasons, days and years, not for anything else.

Deuteronomy 18:10-13

Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the Lord your God.

[acptulsa]

None of those posts were nonsense. When I was talking about the red letters when Jesus spoke, I was taking your assumption and running with it.

If you don't "trust Paul" because Paul wasn't Jesus, why do you trust what Matthew Mark Luke or John said about Jesus? Jesus didn't write the Bible.

Why do you trust what Matthew Mark Luke or John say about Jesus, yet don't trust what Paul said?

Just because you can't discern the difference between the Revealed Word of God and the Revealed Word of Paul is no reflection on me. Or is Paul now God? God knows Paul wasn't one to quote Jesus' own words. That makes me like Matthew, Mark, Luke and John quite a bit more right there.

And I would be insulted that you ignored three-quarters of what I said so you could seize solely on that little tidbit you thought you could turn to your advantage, but since you do the exact same thing to Jesus every day, I guess I'll be content to be in the very best of company.

Yes, the moon and the sun and the stars are signs for seasons, days and years, not for anything else.

That isn't what the Genesis passage said, and that verse from Deuteronomy doesn't say it either. If you want to back up your position, back it up. You have yet to do so.

[Sola_Fide]

Just because you can't discern the difference between the Revealed Word of God and the Revealed Word of Paul is no reflection on me. Or is Paul now God?

And I would be insulted that you ignored three-quarters of what I said so you could seize solely on that little tidbit you thought you could turn to your advantage, but since you do the exact same thing to Jesus every day, I guess I'll be content to be in the very best of company.



That isn't what the Genesis passage said, and that verse from Deuteronomy doesn't say it either. If you want to back up your position, back it up. You have yet to do so.

Do you believe in the revealed word of Matthew? Matthew wrote the book of Matthew, Jesus didn't. Why do you worship Matthew?