View Poll Results: Who will you vote for if Rand is not the 2016 GOP nominee?

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  • The neocon GOP nominee

    3 5.26%
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    25 43.86%
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    4 7.02%
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Thread: If Rand is not the nominee, would you vote for Hillary?

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    If Rand is not the nominee, would you vote for Hillary?

    I argue you should vote for Hillary. Any other vote makes the neocon Republican more likely to win, which will prevent Rand from having a chance in 2020, and by 2024 all government ill will be back to being attributed to the Republican party again.
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    Bad poll is bad. In the past two presidential election cycles I neither voted republican nor democrat nor libertarian. I chose Chuck Baldwin over Bob Barr and Virgil Goode over Gary Johnson. Time has shown that neither Bob Barr nor Gary Johnson were worth my vote. If the LP puts up someone else as sorry as that I won't vote LP in 2016 either. I'm not going to go from the lesser of two evils to the lesser of three evils.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willwash View Post
    I argue you should vote for Hillary. Any other vote makes the neocon Republican more likely to win, which will prevent Rand from having a chance in 2020, and by 2024 all government ill will be back to being attributed to the Republican party again.
    I saw a meme on my FB page that said "If Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush become president, which country will you move to." I concur. If we don't win this time then I may just give up on politics altogether and hunker down for the inevitable continued decline of our country. Besides, there's really not any reason to even thing about such scenarios. We haven't had the first primary.
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    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  5. #4
    No, I will vote for who I consider to be the best candidate. I voted for the Constitution Party ticket last time. I probably will again, it looks like the LP will nominate Gary Johnson again, can't stand that guy. Libertarian Presidential candidates generally suck. I wish they would nominate someone like Ron Paul again.
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  6. #5
    Who ever wins will be the front man/woman preselected by the NWO.

  7. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by willwash View Post
    I argue you should vote for Hillary. Any other vote makes the neocon Republican more likely to win, which will prevent Rand from having a chance in 2020, and by 2024 all government ill will be back to being attributed to the Republican party again.
    This is extremely flawed logic. Most states will be solid Red or solid Blue. Swing states are the only areas where a lesser of 2 evils vote is even something to ponder. As a Texan, Hillary Clinton will never win my state, why should I vote for either of the greater evils? Republicans try to tell me I should not vote my conscience, I have the same answer. If 15% of Texans had voted for a good 3rd party candidate Romney still would have won this state.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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  8. #7
    None of the above.....



    oh, and Kludge is a douche.

  9. #8
    None of the above.

    I will do what I have done for the last two presidential elections.




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  11. #9
    Depends on the nominee. If it's Walker, I could possibly consider it, but I'm 80 percent sure I wouldn't. If it's Bush, I would write-in Rand Paul if I actually voted in 2016. Which I wouldn't. I don't support any third parties.


    PS-I feel like most Paulers are Constitutionalists first, and then Libertarians second. I must say I'm completely the opposite.

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  13. #11
    "If Rand is not the nominee, would you vote for Hillary?"

    Short answer: No.

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  14. #12
    I might not vote even if Rand is the nominee. I definitely won't if he isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gold Standard View Post
    I might not vote even if Rand is the nominee. I definitely won't if he isn't.
    Dont forget state and local elections.

    The best vote I cast last year was for a certain county commissioner who turned out to be solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willwash View Post
    I argue you should vote for Hillary. Any other vote makes the neocon Republican more likely to win, which will prevent Rand from having a chance in 2020, and by 2024 all government ill will be back to being attributed to the Republican party again.
    So a neocon Democrat is preferable to a neocon Republican? Yeah, no.

  17. #15
    Hell no. I will vote for whoever wins the GOP nomination. I hate Hillary that much.

  18. #16
    Sitting presidents can be fired. It happened to Dubya's Daddy. What's more, they can be primaried. Admittedly it has never happened before, at least not since the days of smoke-filled rooms. But you know what? Ranking members of the House couldn't be primaried, either--until Cantor was primaried. Now they can.

    I advocated for some strategic voting back in 2008, thinking that if we got Huckabee some votes we could parlay that into a brokered convention and prevent the McCain Debacle. About a million people, some trolls and some passionate and principled people, shouted me down to the point I asked for the thread to be locked. Then McCain won the nomination and all those same trolls were arguing for 'strategic voting' in favor of McCain.

    The general election is no time for strategic voting.
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  20. #17
    I pretty much hate the Libertarian Party, but they do serve one purpose: near-pointless but feel-good protest votes.

    So, yea, I'd vote LP.

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by willwash View Post
    I argue you should vote for Hillary. Any other vote makes the neocon Republican more likely to win, which will prevent Rand from having a chance in 2020, and by 2024 all government ill will be back to being attributed to the Republican party again.
    I would argue you're an idiot.

  22. #19
    I would most likely vote LP.

  23. #20
    If I may ask, what is wrong with Gary Johnson? I'm not asking this as a defender of his or a detractor, but I've noticed that many libertarians/constitutionalists don't care for him and I'm curious as to why.

    Back to the original post, I would never vote for Hillary or any neocon. I would probably wait and see who the third parties nominate. That said, I'm beginning to think that voting rarely matters. Unless voting down a tax or voting to decriminalize marijuana or something like that is on the ballot, I just don't see the point. That said, I do usually vote LP (sometimes Constitution) as a protest vote.
    Last edited by LibertyExtremist; 03-21-2015 at 08:35 AM.

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    If you're tired of voting for the lesser evil you can always write in Mephistopheles!

  25. #22
    No I would not. Staying home is also an option if there are no 3rd party candidates who appeal to me.

  26. #23
    Its not who you vote for,
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    I would write in Ron Paul or not vote.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyExtremist View Post
    If I may ask, what is wrong with Gary Johnson? I'm not asking this as a defender of his or a detractor, but I've noticed that many libertarians/constitutionalists don't care for him and I'm curious as to why.

    Nothing. I voted for GJ last time.

    I am voting GOP no matter what this time. I don't want another Clinton in the oval office.

  30. #26
    Nope, not even at gunpoint.

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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyExtremist View Post
    If I may ask, what is wrong with Gary Johnson? I'm not asking this as a defender of his or a detractor, but I've noticed that many libertarians/constitutionalists don't care for him and I'm curious as to why.

    Back to the original post, I would never vote for Hillary or any neocon. I would probably wait and see who the third parties nominate. That said, I'm beginning to think that voting rarely matters. Unless voting down a tax or voting to decriminalize marijuana or something like that is on the ballot, I just don't see the point. That said, I do usually vote LP (sometimes Constitution) as a protest vote.
    Because he is a liberal-leaning libertarian (social libertarian), and an opportunist.

  33. #29
    If the President is going to be a NeoCon with zero regard for the constitution who debases the currency and spends trillions of dollars we don't have, I'd rather it be the democrats blamed for it.

  34. #30
    Voting for Hillary if Rand is not the nominee is like eating dog crap if prime rib isn't on the menu.
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