I wonder if he regrets signing it.
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I wonder if he regrets signing it.
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Then he has reading comprehension problems. It wasn't "An Open letter to President Barack Hussein Obama." The first line read....
Sen. Flake had it right...An Open Letter to the Leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...dumb-idea.htmlSen. Jeff Flake was another Republican who declined to sign the letter, telling reporters Tuesday that there was already “a lot of animosity” between Congress and the White House, and that the Iranian nuclear threat was “too important to divide us among partisan lines.”
“I just didn’t feel that it was appropriate or productive at this point. These are tough enough negotiations as it stands, and introducing this kind of letter, I didn’t think would be helpful,” Flake said.
Last edited by phill4paul; 03-12-2015 at 10:49 AM.
This is one of my first major disagreements with Rand. I can even sort of understand some sanction votes. This is just ridiculous, however. I fear that Rand is just getting bullied by the the neocons. He needs to have a bigger backbone, like the one he had when he filibustered Brennan.
Meanwhile, a bit of reporting on the Republicans who did not sign:
The seven Republicans who declined to sign the Cotton letter – Sens. Alexander (TN), Corker (TN), Murkowski (AK), Flake (AZ), Cochran (MS), Coats (IN), & Collins (MA) – are now claiming that the effort to insult the Mullahs will backfire. They are scared of their shadow – of being accused of undermining negotiations with people who are committing acts of terror and testing ICBMs during the negotiations. It might sound absurd, but this is the perverse thinking of people whose sole audience for every policy issue is the beltway media.
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Last edited by ChiefJustice; 03-12-2015 at 07:00 PM.
I don't really have much of a problem with Rand signing this letter, but what's with this Facebook post by Rand? Almost all of the comments are negative, with hundreds of his father's supporters saying that he's now lost their support. I'm in favor of Rand watering down the foreign policy message to some extent in order to have a chance to win, but this is really just going way too far in my opinion. I'm kind of stunned and disappointed by this.
https://www.facebook.com/RandPaul/ph...type=1&theater
This was the reason so many people, including myself, flipped out when he endorsed Mitt:
A good chunk of us would have understood the 'hey, I'm a Republican, I'm going to support my party's nominee for president' argument, even if that argument itself is pretty dumb. But going out and saying this sort of thing (in addition to saying Mitt was with us on issues of the Fed lololol) was simply insanity.
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LOL funny graphic, the heart is a nice touch.
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I understand Rand's explanation but it seems like once a week he does something and then comes behind to say to his base, "oh its okay because this is really why I did it." Far to often he seems to try to play both sides. I understand it would be for "the greater good" if he got elected president but it makes it harder for me to trust him.
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this will pass, he will be forgiven again. after all, its such a minor issue.
once more-probably, but if it becomes too often , or the issue is too serious the base will fold. hopefully a lesson was learned.
I agree. Rand has been continuing to build a bank of "I'm strong on defense" compromise gestures to draw on to protect him from the war party, but I think he should have stopped doing so last year, and transitioned to a more clear cut pro-peace foreign policy going forward. You've got enough ammo, Rand, time to confront the real enemy at least some of the time. One neat way to do that would be to use Obama and Hillary as a partisan shield. Attack pro-war positions specifically made by those two, which may put neocon GOP rivals on the spot---would they really want to risk defending the Administration and Hillary?
Last edited by Peace&Freedom; 03-18-2015 at 07:44 PM.
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From Rand:
There are checks and balances and separation of power, particularly with regard to the Iran sanctions. Congress passed those so only Congress can undo them. There are waivers—the president can waive sanctions for a while. But to remove sanctions, even the administration has admitted that. I really signed the letter, and I mean this sincerely, to strengthen the president’s hand and to get him to negotiate from a position more of strength than weakness.
What I mean by that is when it is made explicit to the Iranians that an agreement will have to approved by Congress, they know the president is being backed up by people who may want a better deal than the president wants. So I think it strengthens his hand. It should cause him to negotiate from a position where he says, “look, this is going to have to pass Congress. I can’t just let you have 19,000 centrifuges, etc.” So my hope is that it strengthens his hand. I still do want negotiations, I think negotiations are preferable to war. Any sanction relief would have to be passed by Congress because Congress voted the sanctions into place.
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Isn't it funny that Obama who is a Constiutional lawyer didn't get educated about the Constitution till he became President. His whole life he was taught BS from his civics teachers, pre-law and law professors. It wasn't till he crossed Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Woods, Cliven Bundy, Oathkeepers, etc that he finally is taught what the Constitution is really about?
I've been a bit hesitant to write this, but perhaps others will have similar situations.
my state and my district are blue. most of my friends and family are independents with a strong lean toward democrats (but after hanging around me, 95% of them would have voted for Ron Paul). as a libertarian it's easy to engage them in conversations about civil liberties, foreign policy and the follies of republicratic decision making. "peace" (and varying definitions of freedom) is something we all want.
when Rand stands with neocons it gets harder to sway these folks.
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There has been no attempt by Rand or anyone else to check Trump's abuse of executive privilege to user in face scanning cameras by the TSA. There was some muted GOP resistance to Trump using executive order to try to implement gun control. (Bumpfire ban attempt.) Why is that? /rhetorical question.
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