Same mercury used in vaccines conclusively linked to causing autoimmune disorders

[donnay]

Same mercury used in vaccines conclusively linked to causing autoimmune disorders

Friday, March 06, 2015
by: Jonathan Benson

A new study published in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives provides fresh insight into why millions of people living in the developed world today suffer from severe autoimmune disorders that were virtually unheard of before the advent of vaccines.

Researchers from the University of Michigan Medical and Public Health Schools in Ann Arbor found that mercury, like the kind added to vaccines as a preservative, is a major trigger of autoimmunity in women of childbearing age.

Dr. Emily Somers, Ph.D., and her colleagues looked at government data on women between the ages of 16 and 49, comparing their respective levels of mercury exposure to antinuclear antibody positivity, an indicator of autoimmune activity.

Autoimmunity, as you may already know, is essentially an abnormal immune response in which errant antibodies attack the human body, causing systemic inflammation. The result is a variety of illnesses, often debilitating, that leave a person weak and unable to function normally.

In women with high levels of mercury exposure, autoantibodies, or the antibodies responsible for triggering autoimmunity, were found to be more prevalent. A direct correlation between the two was observed, leading researchers to conclude that mercury is a major risk factor in autoimmunity.

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[Zippyjuan]

A couple of points. One- the mercury they looked at is NOT the same kind found in vaccines. Headline is wrong on that. Vaccines which do use thimerosol contain ethyl mercury. The more toxic form of mercury is methyl mercury. Methyl is what is being found in those cases. It is the one in some seafoods.

Two- only a few vaccines today even have any mercury in them. That level is extremely small so it is impossible to be exposed to the high levels that the study observed via vaccines. Your body gets rid of half of the mercury in a vaccine within just a week.

http://www.uofmhealth.org/news/archi...tor-autoimmune

Exposure to mercury, seafood associated with risk factor for autoimmune disease

Among women of reproductive age, exposure to mercury at levels generally considered safe associated with markers of immune system disorders
ANN ARBOR, Mich. — One of the greatest risk factors for autoimmunity among women of childbearing age may be associated with exposure to mercury such as through seafood, a new University of Michigan study says.

The findings, which appear in Environmental Health Perspectives, found that mercury – even at low levels generally considered safe – was associated with autoimmunity. Autoimmune disorders, which cause the body's immune system to attack healthy cells by mistake, affects nearly 50 million Americans and predominately women.

“We don’t have a very good sense of why people develop autoimmune disorders,” says lead author Emily Somers, Ph.D., Sc.M, an associate professor in the departments of Internal Medicine in the division of Rheumatology, Environmental Health Sciences, and Obstetrics & Gynecology at the U-M Medical and Public Health Schools.

“A large number of cases are not explained by genetics, so we believe studying environmental factors will help us understand why autoimmunity happens and how we may be able to intervene to improve health outcomes. In our study, exposure to mercury stood out as the main risk factor for autoimmunity.”

Autoimmune disease – which can include such conditions as inflammatory bowel disease, lupus, Sjögren’s syndrome, rheumatoid arthritis and multiple sclerosis – is among the 10 leading causes of death among women.

Researchers analyzed data among women ages 16-49 from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey from 1999-2004. Greater exposure to mercury was associated with a higher rate of autoantibodies, a precursor to autoimmune disease. Most autoimmune diseases are characterized by autoantibodies, proteins made by a person's immune system when it fails to distinguish between its own tissues and potentially harmful cells.

[donnay]

A couple of points. One- the mercury they looked at is NOT the same kind found in vaccines. Headline is wrong on that. Vaccines which do use thimerosol contain ethyl mercury. The toxic form of mercury is methyl mercury. Methyl is what is being found in those cases. It is the one in some seafoods.

Two- only a few vaccines today even have any mercury in them. That level is extremely small so it is impossible to be exposed to the high levels that the study observed via vaccines. Your body gets rid of half of the mercury in a vaccine within just a week.

http://www.uofmhealth.org/news/archi...tor-autoimmune

Many argue that the type of mercury found in vaccines, ethyl mercury via thimerosal, is not as toxic as methyl mercury. Dr. George Lucier, Toxicologist and Former Director of the Environmental Toxicology Program at the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), clearly shows that thimerosal, ethyl mercury, is a developmental neurotoxicant and exposure to it holds the same dangers as methyl mercury. Dr. George Lucier has coordinated toxicology research and testing for many Federal agencies including the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, (EPA), the Food and Drug Administration, (FDA), the Occupational Safety and Health Administrations, (OSHA), and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, (CDC). http://www.ashotoftruth.org/featured-vaccines/flu-shot

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ethyl_vs_methyl.html

[Zippyjuan]

Ethyl mercury has a much shorter life in the body- its half life is about one week while the half life of methyl mercury is 30 days or more so the ethyl mercury in a vaccine besides being such a small quantity (and is not even in kids vaccines) does not have a chance to bioaccumulate.

http://www.decodedscience.com/ethyl-...erence/25234/2

MeHg cannot be easily eliminated from living organisms; therefore, it accumulates over time. Such bioaccumulation, or accumulation in the body systems, is particularly high in aquatic species higher up in the food chain, such as fish; this can have very negative effects on the life of these species. Moreover, if we eat the fish, mercury can also accumulate in our bodies, affecting our health as well.

According to the Environment Protection Agency (EPA), high MeHg levels in the human body can cause poisoning and damage the nervous system; moreover, in the case of pregnant women, the babies could have serious nervous problems and be born with disabilities.

The Reference Dose for Chronic Oral Exposure (RfD) for humans is 0.0001 milligrams per day per kilogram of weight. For instance, a safe dose for a person who weighs 70 kg, or a little over 154 pounds, would be 0.007 mg per day.

Ethylmercury

The main source of ethylmercury, or EtHg, is thiomersal (or thimerosal), an organic compound which is used as a preservative in vaccines, and which degrades to give EtHg.

EtHg does not bioaccumulate, or build up in the body; from this point of view, therefore, it is less dangerous than MeHg.

Vaccines are not a significant source of mercury. Most vaccines don't have any in them.

[donnay]

From the link I posted above-- since it appears you missed this information, Zippy.

[2011 Sept] The Vaccine Establishment’s SAFETY Debate: Use of Thimerosal in vaccines Versus the admittedly dangerous use of methylmercury these studies, as brought to light by Dr. King, establish that ethylmercury (Thimerosal), a “supposedly harmless” compound of mercury according to the vaccine establishment, is converted in the rat [1] and apparently in the human infant [2] into “methylmercury” which, the establishment admits is a harmful form of mercury.


Several pages of the paper examine the toxicity of methylmercury and its past use as a fungicide. We are led to believe that this form of mercury is much different than ethylmercury, the type found in vaccines. This is in spite of the fact that ethylmercury was used for the same purpose. In fact, Ethylmercurric Chloride, the material used as a fungicide (which was banned long ago) is what is used to make thimerosal. This can be easily confirmed by looking in a Merck Index. We now know that this type of mercury deposits twice as much inorganic mercury in the brains of primates as compared to equal doses of methylmercury (4). Inorganic mercury, following the de-methylation of organic mercury, has been identified as the primary neurotoxic agent in primate studies (5).

The author mentions the book, "Evidence of Harm: Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic" by David Kirby. It contains 436 scientific references. The author did not disclose if he read the book. This may have helped his argument since this book was read by many parents of autistic children. (4) Burbacher T, Shen D, Liberato N, Grant K, Cernichiari E, Clarkson T. 2005. Comparison of blood and brain mercury levels in infant monkeys exposed to methylmercury or vaccines containing thimerosal. Environmental Health Perspectives. 113:1015-1021. LES INCOMPETANTS: OPEN LETTER TO THE AAP By K. Paul Stoller, M.D.



Health officials often claim that ethylmercury—the type of mercury found in vaccines containing thimerosal—should not be compared to methylmercury, a well-established neurotoxin. However, a Russian study found that adults exposed to much lower concentrations of ethylmercury than those given to American children still suffered brain damage years later. In 1985, the Archives of Toxicology published a comparative study that administered similar doses of ethylmercury and methylmercury to rats. The ethylmercury-treated rats had higher amounts of inorganic mercury in their kidneys and brains.91 In August 2005, a study funded by the National Institutes of Health also found that ethylmercury is more toxic to the brain than methylmercury. It crosses the blood-brain barrier quicker and converts to inorganic mercury—which is more difficult to excrete and stays in the brain longer—at much higher levels. [2010] MAKE an INFORMED VACCINE DECISION by Mayer Eisenstein, MD, JD, MPH (with Neil Miller) p.128



[EOHarm] Ethyl vs. Methyl

THE NATIONAL VACCINE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SPONSORED WORKSHOP ON THIMEROSAL VACCINES DAY ONE - VOLUME I AUGUST 11th, 1999

Dr. George Lucier
National Institutes of Health

…A second study, which was not discussed this morning, is that adult male and female rats were administered five daily doses of equimolar concentrations of ethyl or methylmercury by gavage and tissue distribution, neurotoxicity, and nephrotoxicity assessed. This was a Magos study in 1985 in the Archives of Toxicology. And the key points of that paper were: neurotoxicity of methyl and ethylmercury were similar, although higher levels of inorganic mercury were seen in the brains of ethylmercury-treated rats consistent with what we'd said about metabolism; and likewise, because of that, the renal damage was greater in the ethylmercury treated rats.

…I think it is important to note from the Magos study, in which he directly compared ethyl and methylmercury, that he found essentially the same results in both studies, with the exception that the renal toxicity was greater with ethyl, and I think that was because of the demethylation as a way of concentrating the mercuric chloride or inorganic mercury in the kidney.

[Weston White]

Vaccines are not a significant source of mercury. Most vaccines don't have any in them.

I think you're missing the vastly large picture here bud. Mercury does not belong in the body, period. End of story. Story concluded. Resolved.

Just ask Emperor Huang.

And hey, a bullet to the head is usually removed fairly quickly as well, but does that make it any less fatal? Doubtfully.

[Zippyjuan]

I think you are missing the vastly large picture here bud.

MERCURY IS NOT IN VACCINES FOR CHILDREN IN THE US.

Hasn't been for about a decade now. About the only vaccine in the US which still uses it is the multi- use flu vaccine. And if you are worried about that miniscule amount, you can request a single use dose which will not have it.

As you say, End of story. Story concluded. Resolved.

[donnay]

FDA admits on its website that thimerosal is still in vaccines

The fact that Judge Kavanaugh refused to hear the case is tragic in and of itself, as thimerosal, which is composed of 50 percent mercury, has been proven to cause serious health damage. But what may be even worse is the fact that many people falsely believe that thimerosal is not even included in vaccines anymore, which is leading them to blindly allow them to be administered to their children. And the U.S.Centers for Disease Control and Prevention(CDC) and the FDA have continued to provide dubious and misleading information on the subject, which the mainstream media has been complicit in spreading over the years.

But the FDA explains, in no uncertain terms, directly on its website that thimerosal is still added to certain vaccines. For this reason alone, it is crucial that parents who choose to vaccinate their children ask for an ingredients list for each and every vaccine before allowing them to be administered to their children.

“While the use of mercury-containing preservatives has declined in recent years with the development of new products formulated with alternative or no preservatives, thimerosal has been used in some immune globulin preparations, anti-venins, skin test antigens, and ophthalmic and nasal products, in addition to certain vaccines,” writes the FDA on itsThimerosal in Vaccinespage (http://www.fda.gov).

Don’t believe the lie: Thimerosal is eventually converted by the body into highly-toxic inorganic mercury

Another myth often spread by thimerosal advocates claims that the ethylmercury compounds that compose roughly 50 percent of the preservative are not actually harmful because they are different from the type found in a can of tuna. But a comprehensive review conducted by Dr. Paul G. King has proven otherwise, showing that ethylmercury is first metabolized by the body into toxic methylmercury, which is then metabolized into inorganic mercury (http://www.infowars.com).

Both methylmercury and inorganic mercury are listed by the U.S.Environmental Protection Agency(EPA) as toxic substances responsible for causing neurological problems, brain disorders, nervous system illnesses, gastrointestinal problems, kidney failure, respiratory illness, and death (http://www.epa.gov/hg/effects.htm).

http://www.prisonplanet.com/fda-admi...n-mercury.html

Banning mercury would implode pharmaceutical industry, says expert

Only an insane minority is still of the persuasion that Thimerosal belongs in any vaccines, as studies linking the chemical to autism, brain damage, and other conditions number in the hundreds (http://www.autismtreatmentclinics.com/Research.html). Nevertheless, it is still added to batch flu vaccinations, for instance, and in vaccines distributed to countries with fewer safety regulations as they pertain to childhood medicines.

At the same time, momentum is building to once-and-for-all ban Thimerosal from medicines, period. And according to Bolen, a global ban on Thimerosal like the one being considered by the UN would very likely collapse not only the vaccine industry, but also the pharmaceutical industry, as over time the lawsuits filed by the parents of vaccine-injured children and their advocates would number too many to sustain.

“If Thimerosal was removed from vaccines, worldwide, no doubt neurological issues in new children would nearly vanish for the next generations,” writes Bolen. “The lawsuits against the industry, despite the existing laws, would never end. And those lawsuits wouldn’t just be from individuals — they’d be from whole countries, states, school districts, you name it. That would be the very blood end of the entire pharmaceutical industry — probably forever.”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/vaccine-...-vaccines.html

[Weston White]

I think you are missing the vastly large picture here bud.

MERCURY IS NOT IN VACCINES FOR CHILDREN IN THE US.

Hasn't been for about a decade now. About the only vaccine in the US which still uses it is the multi- use flu vaccine. And if you are worried about that miniscule amount, you can request a single use dose which will not have it.

As you say, End of story. Story concluded. Resolved.

1. Mother is vaccinated, which passes the toxins onto her fetus.

2. Patients are not informed that a less toxic compound is available upon request. Ergo, doctors do not use jet injectors--which still probably contains a lesser amount of toxins, just not preservatives.

3. At the very least, the absolute minimum, one-half of these vaccines are no longer even the least bit necessary or never were to begin with.

[angelatc]

A couple of points. One- the mercury they looked at is NOT the same kind found in vaccines. Headline is wrong on that.

Not only is the headline wrong, he flat out knows it is wrong. Look at the first sentence of the article:

The primary study referenced in this article deals specifically with methyl mercury, as opposed to the ethyl mercury that metabolizes from Thimerosal (a mercury-based preservative added to some vaccines).

And to make it even worse, the authors of the study did not "conclusively link" mercury to autoimmune disorders. They specifically use the words "may be."

http://www.uofmhealth.org/news/archi...tor-autoimmune

[angelatc]

1. Mother is vaccinated, which passes the toxins onto her fetus..

Do you have any evidence to support that theory?

[Zippyjuan]

1. Mother is vaccinated, which passes the toxins onto her fetus.

2. Patients are not informed that a less toxic compound is available upon request. Ergo, doctors do not use jet injectors--which still probably contains a lesser amount of toxins, just not preservatives.

3. At the very least, the absolute minimum, one-half of these vaccines are no longer even the least bit necessary or never were to begin with.

How many mercury laden vaccines are required or even recommended for pregnant women?

March of Dimes lists only two the CDC recommends- tetanus (if necessary) and the flu vaccine. And as mentioned many times, the flu vaccine can be obtained without thimerosol. Two thirds of the flu vaccines given last year had no thimerosol in it. http://www.marchofdimes.org/pregnanc...regnancy.aspx#

What vaccinations are recommended during pregnancy?
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends two vaccinations during pregnancy:

Flu vaccine if you weren't vaccinated before pregnancy
Tdap vaccine during each pregnancy at 27 to 36 weeks

[angelatc]

I think you are missing the vastly large picture here bud.

MERCURY IS NOT IN VACCINES FOR CHILDREN IN THE US.

Not to derail the topic with any intelligent conversation, but linking mercury to autoimmune disorders? Wouldn't that mean that the Asian half of the world would be far more affected by autoimmune disorders, since seafood is such a high percentage of their diet?

I have not checked in a couple years but it used to be that there was no evidence that mercury from seafood accumulated in humans at all. Nobody knew quite why, but the working theory then was that it binds with the selenium in the fish and passed through our digestive tract as such.

Which would make the FDA warnings about too much seafood less about science and more about controlling the ocean's food.

[Zippyjuan]

Not only is the headline wrong, he flat out knows it is wrong. Look at the first sentence of the article:

And to make it even worse, the authors of the study did not "conclusively link" mercury to autoimmune disorders. They specifically use the words "may be."

http://www.uofmhealth.org/news/archi...tor-autoimmune

Well, it was Natural News which likes to give their own scary spin to anything. Sometimes facts can be inconvenient there. I like how they always list themselves in the "sources" section on articles.

[CPUd]

I would be more concerned about iodine than mercury in seafood.

[Zippyjuan]

Like anything else, unless you are eating or drinking a ton of something (or getting a million vaccines a week), all the little things in what we eat and drink are not usually a problem. At parts per billion, you can find all kinds of toxins in everything we eat. Even organic foods are full of toxins.

[angelatc]

Well, it was Natural News which likes to give their own scary spin to anything. Sometimes facts can be inconvenient there. I like how they always list themselves in the "sources" section on articles.

But yet the same people who insist we should "question everything!" always gloss right over those huge inconsistencies.

[Zippyjuan]

"Read the article!" yet when you do read the article, it doesn't support what the headline says.

[donnay]

I would be more concerned about iodine than mercury in seafood.

You're kidding, right?

[donnay]

"Read the article!" yet when you do read the article, it doesn't support what the headline says.

LOL! Because most of the time you just read the headlines and scan over the article and conveniently miss all the embedded links to the studies.

[Weston White]

Do you have any evidence to support that theory?

Do you mean outside of plain common sense? Mommy eats pickles and cheese, baby eats pickles and cheese; mommy drinks, baby drinks; mommy smokes, baby smokes; mommy crack-head, baby crack-head. ...Any questions?

[Weston White]

How many mercury laden vaccines are required or even recommended for pregnant women?

I think the fact that even one is recommended is more than enough to cause for pause. It was only recently that both expecting mothers and newborns are no longer being instructed to avoid vaccinations. Whatever compound of mercury within vaccinations, this is but one of a host of adjuvants or preservatives intending to inflict serious permanent damage upon the body, but a little at time, slowly eating away at the body year after year after year, some more than others, the vaccine itself serves as a ready medium of covert transportation. The mere fact that medical professionals do not readily make available or so much as offer as an alternative non-preserved alternatives, even on an appointment only basis, proves this to be a eugenics program by design. There simply is no truly informed consent within current vaccination practices--this point is even proved more to be the case by the recent uprising of corner drug store vaccine campaigns, which have no business practicing medicine, providing medical advice of any sort, let alone actually jabbing people with injectable medicine.

Before you take the risk, find out what it is.

2013 schedule for adults, emphasizing the several shots made available to those pregnant:

(Purple indicates a recommendation based upon lifestyle, occupation, medical risk factors, etc.)

2013 schedule for children:

1994 schedule for children:

1983 schedule for children:

[Zippyjuan]

made available to those pregnant

Made available but not recommended or required to have. Pregnant women are not being loaded up with tons of toxic vaccines leading them to give birth to mutant kids.

[Weston White]

Made available but not recommended or required to have. Pregnant women are not being loaded up with tons of toxic vaccines leading them to give birth to mutant kids.

1. Well, not required yet, but in the future that could very well change.

2. The vaccine schedule itself is a convoluted way of recommending the vaccines for each of those special classes--for goodness sakes they have even broken the vaccine schedules down to account for very specific cases. It could not be any more of a recommendation unless it was compulsory.

3. According to either of those vaccine schedules children are in fact being morphed into mutant, dysfunctional humanoids.

4. For your own good, desist with the intentional AngelaTC brand of obtuseness.

[mosquitobite]

Made available but not recommended or required to have. Pregnant women are not being loaded up with tons of toxic vaccines leading them to give birth to mutant kids.

Have you recently given birth? (say, in the last decade?)

Pre-pregnant women (those trying to conceive) are tested for MMR antibodies. If they show up negative, you get a shot.

Pregnant women are encouraged to get the flu shot. (flu shot still contains mercury)
Pregnant women are encouraged to get TDaP for cocooning. (even though the studies have shown it isn't effective... probably because of that OBVIOUS carrier issue...but hey!)
Pregnant women who are Rh- get the RhoGAM.


Personally, I think focusing on mercury alone is like smoke and mirrors. It's all the other stuff used to "preserve" the disease that is the issue. You're injecting it directly into your bloodstream. If you think that doesn't mess with your DNA, that's fine. I don't believe in evolution either. But I do believe in mutation. If nature has done it >this< way for thousands of years, but we supremely intelligent beings believe it should be done <this> way, well we're absolutely NAIVE to believe there are no unintended consequences. There are ALWAYS unintended consequences!

[jmdrake]

I think you are missing the vastly large picture here bud.

MERCURY IS NOT IN VACCINES FOR CHILDREN IN THE US.

Hasn't been for about a decade now. About the only vaccine in the US which still uses it is the multi- use flu vaccine. And if you are worried about that miniscule amount, you can request a single use dose which will not have it.

As you say, End of story. Story concluded. Resolved.

From the OP.

Researchers from the University of Michigan Medical and Public Health Schools in Ann Arbor found that mercury, like the kind added to vaccines as a preservative, is a major trigger of autoimmunity in women of childbearing age.

Last time I checked women of childbearing age != children.

[Zippyjuan]

The OP was misleading. The study did not look at the levels of mercury from vaccines (those levels are too small to have been measured in human blood anyways) but mercury from environmental exposures. And it looked at a different type (not the same) of mercury. It did not say anything at all about ethyl mercury in the study. Ethyl mercury is the kind in vaccines. Methyl mercury is the one found in environmental exposures. Ethyl mercury is more easily gotten rid of in the body than methyl mercury is. The headline is wrong- they are not the exact same thing. It is a scare tactic to attract readers to the article.

Same mercury used in vaccines conclusively linked to causing autoimmune disorders

Let me share the entire line you quoted from my earlier link.

Among women of reproductive age, exposure to mercury at levels generally considered safe associated with markers of immune system disorders
ANN ARBOR, Mich. — One of the greatest risk factors for autoimmunity among women of childbearing age may be associated with exposure to mercury such as through seafood, a new University of Michigan study says.

Mercury in seafood is not the same as the mercury in vaccines. Nor was it "conclusive" as the headline also claimed.

may be associated with exposure to mercury such as through seafood,

They did note some correlation but could not prove any causation.

For those who want to see just how much mercury is in vaccines and which ones do have it in (basically just the flu vaccine and again, you can get that without thimerosol if you are worried about it) scroll down this page: http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVac...fety/UCM096228

Note all of the thimerosol "Free" vaccines.

[CPUd]

The OP was misleading. The study did not look at the levels of mercury from vaccines (those levels are too small to have been measured in human blood anyways) but mercury from environmental exposures. And it looked at a different type (not the same) of mercury. It did not say anything at all about ethyl mercury in the study. Ethyl mercury is the kind in vaccines. Methyl mercury is the one found in environmental exposures. Ethyl mercury is more easily gotten rid of in the body than methyl mercury is. The headline is wrong- they are not the exact same thing. It is a scare tactic to attract readers to the article.



Let me share the entire line you quoted from my earlier link.



Mercury in seafood is not the same as the mercury in vaccines. Nor was it "conclusive" as the headline also claimed.



They did note some correlation but could not prove any causation.

For those who want to see just how much mercury is in vaccines and which ones do have it in (basically just the flu vaccine and again, you can get that without thimerosol if you are worried about it) scroll down this page: http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVac...fety/UCM096228

Note all of the thimerosol "Free" vaccines.

Zippy that mercury is OK, because people eat it like they do with the mercury in the pink salt.

[mosquitobite]

I have autoimmune thyroid disorder.

I do believe it was the 2 injections of the MMR as an adult (plus the ones I got as a child) that triggered it. Indiana used to require proof of MMR to get a marriage license. So I had to go get one. It was at that point that my health went bad. I was always tired, always cold, the whole 9 yards of thyroid issues. But because most doctors only test TSH, they always said it wasn't my thyroid. (They never tested for the anti-bodies) Then when we started trying to conceive the doctors tested my MMR titers as part of a blood panel. I didn't show immunity so I got yet another shot. Within 6 weeks of pregnancy, I was finally diagnosed with my thyroid autoimmune disorder.

And you do know the research shows a 3x+ increase in risk of autism if a mother has an autoimmune disorder, right?

So vaccines don't cause autism. Unless, maybe they do? Does it count if it takes one generation?

I do believe at some point in the future they will finally figure out that vaccines do indeed cause autoimmune disorders and allergies (they are basically the same thing. Your body attacks itself because it sees something as foreign... hmmm... wonder what it would see as foreign? perhaps things we INJECT DIRECTLY INTO OUR BLOODSTREAM?!) At that point, that's when I believe we'll see vaccines as barbaric as an idea as we now see lobotomies or smoking while pregnant.

Zippy, if you don't think vaccines or GMO's cause the surge in auto-immune disorders in our country, I'm really curious if you have any of your own hypothesis for what is causing such havoc in our bodies? Why do they attack themselves?

[Weston White]

Derpie, Derpie, Herpie, Derpie. ...Derp!

Of course, one does not inject seafood into their flesh and blood now do they? And if they do, then vaccines would be the least of their problems.