Help Mail 40,000+ Rand Paul Super Brochures and Stickers

[opinionatedfool]

Not sure on brochures... bumperstickers wouldn't be a bad idea though. Brochures can misrepresent the candidate, look tacky and aren't really going to convince anyone. I think 50000 on good web ads promoting good videos, etc may go farther.

[opinionatedfool]

I hope everyone watches the profiles of the people who attack the Super Brochure. Write the names down.

If I'm against the brochures, you write my name down?

Strange.

[po14015]

Just curious, what is everyone handing out if it isn't the Rand Paul Super Brochure?

Forever Free PAC is a bottom up organization. We let you decide the mailing locations. If everyone wants to mail Iowa or Florida, we mail those areas.

What we did for Ron Paul was amazing. It was so powerful, that MSNBC did the 3 minute video on it.

Chart for Ron Paul Iowa poll numbers increase after two mailings:
http://www.foreverfree.com/wp/wp-con...Perctange1.png


During the 21 days that the Ron Paul Super Brochure hit Iowa voters’ mailboxes, RealClearPolitics.com showed Ron Paul’s Iowa poll numbers explode up over 116% going from 11% to 24%. The two large spikes on the chart are from the Super Brochure mailings. South Carolina saw a 76% increase in their poll numbers from 8.5% to 15% in ten days.

Why wouldn't you use what works?

In Liberty,

Curt
941-896-7770

[Matt Collins]

Just curious, what is everyone handing out if it isn't the Rand Paul Super Brochure?

The campaign will have some literature available soon. For those that support Rand, it is the best thing to distribute.

Forever Free PAC is a bottom up organization. We let you decide the mailing locations. If everyone wants to mail Iowa or Florida, we mail those areas.

That is a complete waste... there are some states where it makes zero sense to put resources.

What we did for Ron Paul was amazing.

No it wasn't. It was self-serving and profitable for those behind it. Also it actually hurt the candidate because it did not convey the message he wanted to convey.

It was so powerful, that MSNBC did the 3 minute video on it.

So? 1 - Republicans don't watch MSNBC, 2- Who cares what the media says most of the time? It doesn't garner votes.

Chart for Ron Paul Iowa poll numbers increase after two mailings:
http://www.foreverfree.com/wp/wp-con...Perctange1.png

During the 21 days that the Ron Paul Super Brochure hit Iowa voters’ mailboxes, RealClearPolitics.com showed Ron Paul’s Iowa poll numbers explode up over 116% going from 11% to 24%. The two large spikes on the chart are from the Super Brochure mailings. South Carolina saw a 76% increase in their poll numbers from 8.5% to 15% in ten days.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause



Please, peddle your damaging and self-serving pet project elsewhere. If you want to actually help, then sign up to volunteer for the campaign, or actually go to Iowa or NH and help them out there.

[Uriah]

Just curious, what is everyone handing out if it isn't the Rand Paul Super Brochure?

Forever Free PAC is a bottom up organization. We let you decide the mailing locations. If everyone wants to mail Iowa or Florida, we mail those areas.

What we did for Ron Paul was amazing. It was so powerful, that MSNBC did the 3 minute video on it.

Chart for Ron Paul Iowa poll numbers increase after two mailings:
http://www.foreverfree.com/wp/wp-con...Perctange1.png

During the 21 days that the Ron Paul Super Brochure hit Iowa voters’ mailboxes, RealClearPolitics.com showed Ron Paul’s Iowa poll numbers explode up over 116% going from 11% to 24%. The two large spikes on the chart are from the Super Brochure mailings. South Carolina saw a 76% increase in their poll numbers from 8.5% to 15% in ten days.

Why wouldn't you use what works?

In Liberty,

Curt
941-896-7770

The Ron Paul super brochure turned some people away from Paul in Iowa. I know this from direct interaction with voters. Of course, this is anecdotal yet equally you cannot claim that the super brochure is why Ron moved up in the polls. December was a month full of campaign activity, ads, calls, canvassing, and more from campaign staff/volunteers and grassroots projects. Everything I've learned in politics thus far, from personal experience, study, courses, and discussion with other liberty activists is to find a good message and drill it into people. Diluting a candidates message can, at best, make their positions/policies seem unclear and at worst drive voters away.

I have reservations and would caution against this project. However, since you will be proceeding with this regardless, strive to align your brochure with whatever literature Rand's campaign releases. I sincerely want this project to succeed and wish it the very best. Integrating with the official campaign may however be the best way to support Rand. They have developed a grand strategy and are implementing it now. Grassroot activities may be counterproductive or a waste of resources. Most of us are libertarians of some bent and with that said likely will resent or avoid a central authority. However, a central hub isn't always bad.

Also, while making good points many times, the Collins has a way of being an ass.

[po14015]

1 Million plus Ron Paul Super Brochures into Iowa in December, 2011. And Ron Paul poll numbers go up 116%. That is hurting him???

What I find funny is that the Official Ron Paul 2012 campaign had to have a script for people trying to get Super Brochures. They were getting that many calls for something that supposedly "hurt" them. Tens of thousands of people ordered or mailed Super Brochures. Are you saying that all these people were wrong?

I worked for the Official Ron Paul 2008 campaign because I was the number one recruiter for precinct walking in the country. Ron Paul's success is the direct result of the grassroots. In 2008, people didn't wait to ask if they should create RonPaulForums or DailyPaul. Super Brochure (formerly RonPaulStuff and RonPaulProducts) didn't wait to see if we would have signs or shirts. We just did it. And it created a tidal wave of change. So people can continue to "wait" or they can start doing. We are now less than 8 months from finding out if Rand Paul wins the first primary.

In Liberty,

Curt
941-896-7770

[Okaloosa]

Looking at the brochure Curt you are claiming Rand will "Stop Foreign Aid" as seen here.

That and some of the other promises there will not even be possible or supported by Republicans. As I have stated before your effort should be focused on the Super Tuesday States and distributed by activists as to not give most of the money to the post office.

Also, under spread the message you refer people to your website for state information on voting. This is not on your website and almost seems like a way to get more web traffic.

I would also like to see more of a disclaimer as people will feel this is from Rand.

[kbs021]

I think that these would be best served being sent to past Ron Paul voters in the first 4 states. Retaining votes from 2012 is VITAL for Rand to win. If rand can merely retain the same amount of votes that Ron had, Rand has a great chance to win Iowa and New Hampshire. Sending information to ensure that they don't stay home would be worth the money in my honest opinion. I don't personally think this will gain too many new voters although I am glad to see the makers being proactive even if I doubt the GENERAL use of them.

[William Tell]

1 Million plus Ron Paul Super Brochures into Iowa in December, 2011. And Ron Paul poll numbers go up 116%. That is hurting him???

Trying to take the credit for Ron Paul's poll numbers going up like that hurts your credibility more than you can imagine.

I sincerely hope your efforts do some good, but at the same time I have to take into account the testimonies of activists who actually were on the ground in Iowa like Uriah.

[SilentBull]

Looking at the brochure Curt you are claiming Rand will "Stop Foreign Aid" as seen.

Curt, are you seriously telling Republicans that Rand will end foreign aid? I can't understand why someone who truly cares about Rand Paul being elected, would do such a thing, when that is not Rand's platform at all. He's not running on that, and for you to spread this mis-information, is just wrong.

Why do you ignore all of the reasons why what you are doing does more harm than good?

Maybe I should mail out some brochures on your positions, and just make up stuff.

[cruzrulez]

Can you feel the energy and excitement building for 2016? The ideas we have shared for years are becoming mainstream. The FED is fearing an audit. People at CPAC are cheering for nonintervention.

Now is the time to follow through and help Rand Paul win in 2016!

Our first goal is to mail a Rand Paul Super Brochure and a Rand Paul bumper sticker to 40,000+ Liberty activists. It will only cost $1.29 per address. We need $50,000 to reach our goal. This is the best investment we can make to help jump start Rand Paul's presidential campaign.

http://www.foreverfree.com/

http://www.foreverfree.com/



Over the next 10 months, the Liberty movement will grow exponentially. Help get 2016 started now by mailing a bumper sticker and a Super Brochure. The next time you see a Rand Paul bumper sticker, you will be able to say "I did that."



Huge Bumper Sticker mailed with every Super Brochure!
http://www.foreverfree.com/
In Liberty,

Curt Schultz
Owner, Super Brochure
President, Forever Free PAC
http://www.foreverfree.com/

941-896-7770
941-962-7660

very nice - I'd say to keep on keeping on. Don't let all the criticisms get to you, as there will be people who criticize all day about your stuff, but will never contribute.

I like your work.

[po14015]

I wish I could give you a tour as we print, process, and mail all the hundreds of thousands of Super Brochures. It is a blast!

The next best thing is a video. So please enjoy a behind the scenes look at the new Rand Paul Super Brochure.



Help by donating here:
http://www.foreverfree.com/ (link is external)

Get Super Brochures in Bulk to pass out here:
http://www.foreverfree.com/super-brochures/ (link is external)

If you need anything, please let me know.

In Liberty,

Curt
941-896-7770

[nayjevin]

very nice - I'd say to keep on keeping on. Don't let all the criticisms get to you, as there will be people who criticize all day about your stuff, but will never contribute.

I like your work.

That's not even slightly what is happening here.

[Foreigner]

These brochures would be super effective aimed at people who consider ending fractional reserve banking as their nr 1 priority. A small segment of the libertarian vote, with some crossover into the Zeitgeist movement. Funfact: When I was 18, I considered it my most important issue too - and actually ended up voting for the diehard socialist in the election. (because I thought he at least would be against corruption)

But that's 1-2% of the electorate. You would get a more favorable result even from having the brochure just focusing on liberalization of cannabis laws, as an example.

But just randomly distributing it to everybody will leave most with a negative impression of Rand Paul. In Iowa, the participation-rate in the caucuses is so low anyways that you might increase turnout for Rand by doing so, mobilizing segments of libertarians and anarchists, but it is an very expensive way to do so.

Grassroots projects should be more cost effective than the main campaign for it to be worthwhile. That's because they compete for the same small donor cash. In most cases they actually are, because they are done with free volunteer labor. In other cases, the work can be compensated, but then it has to be highly skilled people who knows how to get bang for their bucks. In this instance, the campaign, who already has tons of voter data, can target peer-tested literature to key people in the early states much more effectively in terms of cost.

I'm hoping people instead will take some time to consider supporting this project: (once Orenbus relaunches it!)
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Gen-Grassroots

[Matt Collins]

Please take this self-serving, for-profit, pet-project, and hamful peddling of yours elsewhere

[po14015]

Please take this self-serving, for-profit, pet-project, and hamful peddling of yours elsewhere

How much are you making? I ask because I made way more working for Ron Paul's Official Campaign than in the grassroots. I even tried NOT getting paid from the Official campaign, but they said I couldn't do that.

I make what people want. You have made it clear that people outside of the areas you deem important are a waste of resources. Sorry Florida, California, etc... Why do you care?

We are doing what it takes to actually win. People who want to win will support us.

In Liberty,

Curt
941-896-7770

[Danke]

We are doing what it takes to actually win.

At least he is not peeing in his mom's pool.

[nayjevin]

Curt, please address the previously ignored concerns in the other thread:

Hey Curt, how about fill in these blanks:

Flyer printing cost:
Bumper sticker printing cost:
Perceived value of having your website on 40,000 pieces of mail:
Envelope stuffing cost:
Postage cost:
Other costs (explain):
Expected profit:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...s-and-Stickers

Also, what is the reason for sending a brochure instead of an email?

[po14015]

If you want to have this impact, you will support ForeverFree.com and the Rand Paul Super Brochure:







People are more than welcome to call me up and talk.

In Liberty,

Curt
941-896-7770

[CPUd]

I think I know what's going on here. He wants to see how much money he can get to not send them out.

[William Tell]

Curt, please address the previously ignored concerns in the other thread:

Hey Curt, how about fill in these blanks:

Flyer printing cost:
Bumper sticker printing cost:
Perceived value of having your website on 40,000 pieces of mail:
Envelope stuffing cost:
Postage cost:
Other costs (explain):
Expected profit:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...s-and-Stickers

Also, what is the reason for sending a brochure instead of an email?

........

[nayjevin]

Unfortunately this project seems to fail all tests of vetting. Observe, immediately appeal to emotion 'winning' instead of facts. In other thread, the claims Curt just made have been called into question, it is not clear that the superbrochures were responsible for Ron's growth in popularity. But these are posted in lieu of a reasonable response. In other thread, project leader retreats and claims victimhood, then appeals to sympathy. Very simple questions cannot be answered. Let's not forget that the original superbrochure would have gone out with a link to zeitgeist had members of this forum not voiced concern.

Here's some history (reading these can be hilarious if you distance yourself enough to go with the notion this is a big prank)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...iveness/page16

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...super+brochure

[nayjevin]

How much are you making?

deflection

I ask because I made way more working for Ron Paul's Official Campaign than in the grassroots.

cleverly does not answer question

I even tried NOT getting paid from the Official campaign, but they said I couldn't do that.

could have volunteered. cannot fill official capacity without nda, i suspect

I make what people want.

What people want is to be part of a good grassroots project. If they believe it's good, it doesn't mean that it is good.

You have made it clear that people outside of the areas you deem important are a waste of resources.

true, i've had issues with collins' opinon of 'what is important,' but never would i act as though there is no such thing as a waste of resources.

this project sends 'free' things to 4 year old addresses, minus profit, at an inflated printing cost, and there are serious concerns as to whether the content of the brochure is actually beneficial to be seen by anyone. and the same information could be sent in an email for free. and it has this for-profit website address all over it. hey everybody, pay for me to send out 'free' stuff with my logo on it.

Sorry Florida, California, etc... Why do you care?

appeal to emotion, not a sensible one. florida and california would take a lot more than 40,000 to make a dent, assuming the material is good. same reason nh is the place for the free state project, plus in the election working on early states has more bang for buck as it creates steamroll effect. (that's why literally every single campaign ever focuses on early states)

We are doing what it takes to actually win. People who want to win will support us.

Baseless claim followed by appeal to emotion. Fishing for suckers.

tldr

doesn't answer simple questions and retreats to manipulation possibly blinded by profit motive

[nayjevin]

Ron had name recognition problem, Rand does not. Strategy entirely different. Rand has early official campaign volunteer strategy, time is almost definitely best spent there for most people. Grassroots projects will be effective when they encourage positive activity that would not have occurred otherwise without taking resources from another source. this project fails those tests as it competes for small donor dollars and creates impression something is already being done in whatever state is chosen.

[nayjevin]

As a comparison, a postcard with official rand website on it and official logo is probably not worth doing IMO.

[Matt Collins]

How much are you making?

I don't work for the campaign or any PAC affiliated for Rand at this time.

I ask because I made way more working for Ron Paul's Official Campaign than in the grassroots. I even tried NOT getting paid from the Official campaign, but they said I couldn't do that.

Some people have to make a living in order to serve. Not everyone is able to work for free.

Which brings me to the next question... how much did you make off of the 2012 Super Brochures? What was your gross and your net?

I make what people want.

So? That isn't how to win an election. It may be how to enrich yourself or at least make yourself feel good, but it has no relevance towards winning a primary. And in fact your pet project may actually be harming the cause unintentionally.

You have made it clear that people outside of the areas you deem important are a waste of resources. Sorry Florida, California, etc...

Yes, exactly. Voters who live in those states will NOT play an electoral part in helping Rand to win the nomination.

We are doing what it takes to actually win. People who want to win will support us.

No you're not. "A" for effort, but it is sorely misguided if not outright selfish. Do something productive and go to Iowa or NH and distribute the campaign's literature if you want to be effective.

[Uriah]

@ po14015
Start answering questions here in this forum or you will irreparably harm your reputation and lose out on potential support.

[nayjevin]

"A" for effort, but it is sorely misguided if not outright selfish.

Consolation, almost no one is qualified to head a grassroots project. It takes great patience, a willingness to include the grassroots in planning (crowdsourcing) and an ability to recognize what criticisms are baseless and those that aren't. It takes skill in organization and communication and judgment, and a great idea that is effective and cost-effective and possible.

Also, not many are good at informing people with good intentions that their idea is a no-go. I certainly am not, I don't give benefit of the doubt when I think I'm seeing obstinance, a lack of desire to include anyone else in planning, evaded questions, and manipulation tactics.

[Eric21ND]

Trying to take the credit for Ron Paul's poll numbers going up like that hurts your credibility more than you can imagine.

I sincerely hope your efforts do some good, but at the same time I have to take into account the testimonies of activists who actually were on the ground in Iowa like Uriah.

I was on the ground and didn't encounter angry mobs upset over the Super Brochure. The counties where I know they were distributed either doubled or nearly doubled Ron's net vote count. We ran out of the handouts actually.

I do know some people associated with other PACs launched a smear campaign against them after promising they'd send a brochure and a 'For Liberty' dvd to voters.

What hurt Ron in Iowa were the newsletters, which the campaign had no good response for, yet they had two years to prepare for. Benton bungled that and many other things. Ron also wasn't on the ground enough in December. It's like once the media started hitting on the newsletters, the campaign's only response was to lay low and try to squeak out a win.

[SilentBull]

Is there any way we can stop this scammer from ruining Rand's campaign? Can he be legally stopped? He'll be sending out material with lies about a candidate's platform.

Notice how he said the first mailings will go to Ron supporters. And the others? To Republicans who will most likely be turned off by this. This guy obviously cares more about making money than actually helping. Not only that, he will HURT Rand's campaign after Rand has tried so hard to fine tune his message.

Notice how the guy won't respond when he gets caught lying about the price. The guy is a dick and a scammer. Someone stop this loser.