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  1. #121
    Any day now, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.
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    When Donald Trump talks about torture, I don't know what he really believes for sure, but he gets attacked on what he says unjustly by the media and many people here



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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Any day now, right?

    What's that? You leaving?
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Any day now, right?
    Yup, looking that way. Curious power outages today, no? I recall writing something earlier in this thread about watching cities with Fed branches...
    Last edited by devil21; 04-21-2017 at 05:03 PM.
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  5. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    No court ruling will end fiat currencies. The only thing that will end fiat currency is when price inflation gets unbearable.
    International Banking Cartel regime change will end fiat currency.

  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by LibForestPaul View Post
    International Banking Cartel regime change will end fiat currency.
    Countries that are not part of the international banking system also have fiat currencies.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    When Donald Trump talks about torture, I don't know what he really believes for sure, but he gets attacked on what he says unjustly by the media and many people here

  7. #126
    IMF could be based in Beijing in a decade, says Lagarde
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1A922L
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  8. #127
    bump. A thread for those that wish to read something more informative than the latest Trump shill propaganda threads.
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  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Any day now, right?
    Still.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    When Donald Trump talks about torture, I don't know what he really believes for sure, but he gets attacked on what he says unjustly by the media and many people here



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  11. #129
    bumpity bump

    predictions lookin' pretty good lately.

    Trump positioning to be the white knight that takes on (and vanquishes, perception-wise) the Fed.

    Also, for a little tinfoil hat dot connecting, anyone else noticing how the original Die Hard is suddenly a big thing again? I called attention to (Bruce) Willis Tower in this thread years ago. Building is owned now by Blackstone (who bought it from "pull-it" Silverstein) and just finished some major renovations (very 9/11 WTC-esque). Film is very 9/11-esque, also. The whole series is. Some numerological references in the film could be of relevance soon, also. Like I said, avoid Chicago if at all possible. You won't find me in any crowded place on NYE this year...
    Last edited by devil21; 12-20-2018 at 09:29 AM.
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  12. #130
    Perhaps Trump baited the Fed to hang itself? IF the Fed gets called out on intentionally trying to crash the economy again, then there will be enough support for people to actively want the Fed dismantled?
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

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    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  13. #131


    H.R.25 - bill to end income taxes, IRS, enact national sales tax instead - 27 cosponsors
    "To promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national sales tax to be administered primarily by the States."

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...e-bill/25/text
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  14. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post


    H.R.25 - bill to end income taxes, IRS, enact national sales tax instead - 27 cosponsors
    "To promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national sales tax to be administered primarily by the States."

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...e-bill/25/text
    If they add a sales tax, it would most likely be in addition to- not in place of- the income tax.

    But let's play the numbers game. Let's assume you keep spending where it is now ($4 trillion) and get rid of all taxes and replace them with a sales tax. What were retail sales last year? $5.48 trillion. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-retail-sales/

    So to raise $4 trillion on $5.48 trillion in sales, your sales tax would need to be 73%. That is if you taxes everything. If you leave off things like food, the rate will have to be higher. And since that raises the costs to the consumer on everything by that much, retail sales will drop considerably so the tax would have to be well over 100%. And since most people owe net zero in income taxes, the majority of the population would see their tax burden rise significantly.

    That means that everything you buy will cost more than twice what it does right now. Sounds like a good deal, right? And fair. (Actually the wealthy spend less of their money buying stuff so their tax burden would be lower than that of those at lower incomes who spend significantly higher portions of their income on goods and services).
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-25-2019 at 01:00 PM.


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  15. #133
    Quite obviously spending would not stay where it is, $4T+, since the Fed is losing the ability to export the excess inflation to the rest of the world via the petrodollar global reserve standard.
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  16. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Quite obviously spending would not stay where it is, $4T+, since the Fed is losing the ability to export the excess inflation to the rest of the world via the petrodollar global reserve standard.
    You are right- it is probably going even higher. Which party is going to start cutting spending? The Republicans only talk about it when they are not in power. They gave up the idea of actually trying to do anything about it after Bush lost for saying "no new taxes" and got beat in the next election. They didn't cut anything during the time they ran the entire government.


    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

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  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    You are right- it is probably going even higher. Which party is going to start cutting spending? The Republicans only talk about it when they are not in power. They gave up the idea of actually trying to do anything about it after Bush lost for saying "no new taxes" and got beat in the next election. They didn't cut anything during the time they ran the entire government.
    You're probably right that spending would go up in the shorter term, to extinguish old debt and kill the dollar at the same time.
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  18. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    You're probably right that spending would go up in the shorter term, to extinguish old debt and kill the dollar at the same time.
    Spending money does not "extinguish debt". You extinguish debt by taking in more in taxes than you spend and putting that money towards the debt.


    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

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  20. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Spending money does not "extinguish debt". You extinguish debt by taking in more in taxes than you spend and putting that money towards the debt.
    FRNs could be replaced by sovereign notes and the sovereign notes used to pay the FRN debt.

    $22T denomination sovereign note presented to the Fed sounds good to me. Just make it one really big paper currency note, like a Publisher's Clearinghouse "check". That would have as much inherent value as the $22T they "loaned" us and I'd pay to watch that pay-off ceremony.
    Last edited by devil21; 01-28-2019 at 07:45 AM.
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  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    FRNs could be replaced by sovereign notes and the sovereign notes used to pay the FRN debt.

    $22T denomination sovereign note presented to the Fed sounds good to me. Just make it one really big paper currency note, like a Publisher's Clearinghouse "check". That would have as much inherent value as the $22T they "loaned" us and I'd pay to watch that pay-off ceremony.
    You can buy out all of the Fed's US Government debt holdings with only $2.2 trillion since that is how much they have in US Treasuries. The other $20 trillion would still be outstanding since it is held by other people/ organizations.

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/current/


    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

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  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    You can buy out all of the Fed's US Government debt holdings with only $2.2 trillion since that is how much they have in US Treasuries. The other $20 trillion would still be outstanding since it is held by other people/ organizations.

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/current/
    All of that $22T originated from the Federal Reserve System since the Treasury currently does not exercise ability to print sovereign currency, so the debt is ultimately owed to the Fed from which it all came. Every last penny of that $22T is denominated in their private currency. The Fed could be considered the first lien holder on all of it. The holders of debt instruments are merely holders in due course.
    Last edited by devil21; 02-15-2019 at 08:00 PM.
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  23. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    All of that $22T originated from the Federal Reserve System since the Treasury currently does not exercise ability to print sovereign currency, so the debt is ultimately owed to the Fed from which it all came. Every last penny of that $22T is denominated in their private currency. The Fed could be considered the first lien holder on all of it. The holders of debt instruments are merely holders in due course.
    There is no "lien" on US Government debt. It is unsecured. Debt is issued by the US Treasury. You could give them the $22 trillion and they could try to buy back the notes from holders.


    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

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  24. #141
    nm. Want to keep this thread uncluttered.
    Last edited by devil21; 02-16-2019 at 11:57 AM.
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  25. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Just came across this video. It sounds important. (and make sure you read post #4 in this thread and the rest of the thread.)

    Comer's case was dismissed in 2017.


    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

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    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

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  26. #143
    Still waiting.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    When Donald Trump talks about torture, I don't know what he really believes for sure, but he gets attacked on what he says unjustly by the media and many people here

  27. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Still waiting.
    "Soon".


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    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

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  29. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Still waiting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    "Soon".
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  30. #146
    Major IRS overhaul in the works
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/pers...5zL?ocid=ientp

    The agency’s goal: A taxpayer shouldn’t owe or be owed come tax time. more
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

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  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    They aren't changing taxes, just withholding. They don't want to have to issue any refunds. Some people like the refund- they use it as a "forced saving plan" for money they can use on a splurge- fix up the house, buy a car or other things, go on a vacation.

    But wait, the law isn’t done with you. There’s another complication coming out later this year: The Internal Revenue Service is changing how you adjust your paycheck withholdings, and early indicators show it won’t be easy.

    The agency plans to release a new W-4 form that better incorporates the changes ushered in by the new tax law so that the amount held back for taxes in each of your paychecks is more accurate.

    The agency’s goal: A taxpayer shouldn’t owe or be owed come tax time.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 04-11-2019 at 12:19 PM.


    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

    "Yeah, I have to say these guys(trolls) are pretty sharp. Sort of good to get a challenge and sharpen your thoughts." NorthCarolinaLiberty

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  32. #148
    ^^^^
    Incremental change toward the bigger one. That's always how it's done. Get people used to not paying or getting refunds at the end of the year. Then the next step of entirely changing the IRS's role comes.
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