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    Red tape keeps some bad gov't workers from being fired

    Red tape keeps some bad gov't workers from being fired

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    At the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), red tape is preventing the removal of a top level employee accused of viewing porn two to six hours a day while at work, since 2010. Even though investigators found 7,000 pornographic files on his computer and even caught him watching porn, he remains on the payroll.

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    A CBS News analysis of cases under review by the Merit System Protection Board (MSPB), an appeals board for federal workers, found other instances of employees who had committed seemingly fireable offenses who were later reinstated to their jobs, often with back pay and interest.

    Highly publicized cases are no exception.

    Five years ago, the General Services Administration (GSA) spent more than $800,000 on a lavish conference in Las Vegas. They were served 1,000 sushi rolls costing $7 each and a clown and mind reader were hired for entertainment. Two managers were initially fired but got their jobs back after the MSPB reversed the decision.

    At a Congressional hearing in 2012, Chairman of the House Oversight & Government Reform Committee Jason Chaffetz asked GSA Chief of Staff Mike Robertson what it takes to be fired from the GSA.

    "There is a long-standing due process that career employees are entitled to as part of their employment," Robertson said. "We have begun that process, among other disciplinary actions, for several individuals that were involved in the planning and execution of this conference."

    The appeals board found that while the conference's level of extravagance has "no place in government," the GSA did not convincingly prove that the two managers "knew or had reason to know of these ill-advised planning and purchasing decisions." The GSA was ordered to "cancel the appellants removals" and give them back pay plus interest. Meanwhile, the organizer of the convention was never technically fired. He was allowed to retire.

    Firing belligerent or hostile workers is difficult, too. One former manager told CBS News he tried for more than a year to fire an employee who was intimidating co-workers and superiors, at one point even chasing a manager down the hall.

    Upset about being reprimanded, the employee sent him numerous menacing emails, including one that read: "I can stand over you to [sic]. I am 6 foot 3 inches and I weigh 265, and I am not backing down. ... And by the way, I do know where you live."

    Taking into consider administrative leave and the general costs of the procedure itself, Stier said, "There is no question that taxpayers are losing hundreds of millions of dollars, in a conservative estimate. They are losing more than that because they are losing the ability to get the very best out of government."

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/civil-se...m-being-fired/



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    I think, in part, it's called the Sociopath's Government Employment Protection Red Tape Act.

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    "There is no question that taxpayers are losing hundreds of millions of dollars, in a conservative estimate. They are losing more than that because they are losing the ability to get the very best out of government."
    Lol.

    I think we lost the ability to get the very best out of anything once they created professions which necessarily recruit sociopathic incompetents.
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    this is not to the level of the story posted, but yes gov jobs are hard to get fired from. i was asked by the school if i would come back and work for them after a failed "cleaning company" experiment went to total $#@! from day 1, that the school board wanted to try to save a few thousand per year. since i love the job and schedule, i decided to go back even though pest control work was alright.

    anyway ive been back now since dec 2014 and i love it. but the guy they hired to do half of the school has missed going on 3 weeks in a row as of today. 1 full week in january, and about 3 random days more. the school just today has decided to finally start taking steps to fire him. dont get me wrong, the principal and the top brass want him gone as much as i do, but they have been afraid he would be allowed to draw unemployment if they fired him. today before i left to go get a tooth pulled (my only day missed) the principal said they might finally get to fire him because he didnt call in.

    for whats its worth it seems the same at all levels.

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    Hard to fire someone for anything.

    But yeah for them, I'd probably go Donald Trump. Each and every last one should be fired. Like, simply, GTFOH.

    Over 25,000,000 of them. 1/9th of the workforce with quite possibly 75% or more of those being truly unproductive or even counterproductive. I don't see how it is even debatable that they should all go home. Except that perhaps those 25,000,000 probably have one of the highest turnouts if not the highest turn out.
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    Solution: Promote them instead of getting rid of them. That will fix everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satchelmcqueen
    for whats its worth it seems the same at all levels.
    Of course it is. Isn't everything?



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